futuredivot 0 #101 August 22, 2009 What did you expect? A warning is just words without the balls to back it up.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #102 August 22, 2009 QuoteWhat did you expect? A warning is just words without the balls to back it up. I never know if a statement is opinion or just political posturing. I was just pleased that O agrees with me, at least publicly, on this topic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #103 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuote For all of the above reasons sending him back was not only the humane but the most cost effective thing to do. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture says that showing compassion has been remarkably ineffective with our enemies in the Middle East. We turn the other cheek, like Jesus did, and we get killed for it. Reagan's mantra was right - peace through strength. Yeah constantly propping up brutal dictators is turning the other cheek and butchering Latin peasants is strength - in the mind of a fucking idiot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #104 August 22, 2009 Quote Quote the captain made the wrong decision - he could have chosen not to shoot down the civilian airliner. Sure. The USS Cole had to operate under such guidelines and it got a bunch of sailors killed. I know you don't give a shit, but most captains actually do care about their crew. maybe if admiral crowe had done his job properly (without murdering 290 civilians) both the uss cole and lockerbie would never have happened (don't ya think)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #105 August 22, 2009 You talk about double standards, yet where is the correlation when comparing a incident by misinformation vs. blood drunk motive?? Did you know that Obama has also called the release of Lockerbie a bad decision? It would appear that you and the president do not share the same view on the release that took place. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #106 August 22, 2009 Quote maybe if admiral crowe had done his job properly (without murdering 290 civilians) both the uss cole and lockerbie would never have happened (don't ya think) Let me ask you some questions Dream? I also respectfully ask that you do not duck the questions..... Are you 100% flawless in your career? Have you ever served your country in the military? Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #107 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote For all of the above reasons sending him back was not only the humane but the most cost effective thing to do. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture says that showing compassion has been remarkably ineffective with our enemies in the Middle East. We turn the other cheek, like Jesus did, and we get killed for it. Reagan's mantra was right - peace through strength. Yeah constantly propping up brutal dictators is turning the other cheek and butchering Latin peasants is strength - in the mind of a fucking idiot. You must have thought you were responding to a different thread Errico hahaha Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #108 August 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote the captain made the wrong decision - he could have chosen not to shoot down the civilian airliner. Sure. The USS Cole had to operate under such guidelines and it got a bunch of sailors killed. I know you don't give a shit, but most captains actually do care about their crew. maybe if admiral crowe had done his job properly (without murdering 290 civilians) both the uss cole and lockerbie would never have happened (don't ya think) Not for a moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #109 August 22, 2009 QuoteYou talk about double standards, yet where is the correlation when comparing a incident by misinformation vs. blood drunk motive?? Did you know that Obama has also called the release of Lockerbie a bad decision? It would appear that you and the president do not share the same view on the release that took place. You ASSume incorrectly, as usual. I have not commented at all on the Lockerbie decision, just on the double standards of you and others. Where was the self-righteous outrage when the captain of the Vincennes was presented with a medal on his return?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #110 August 22, 2009 Quote Try flying towards a battle group without a filed flight plan, and without an IFF squawk, let us know what the fish feeding on you feels like. How is that relevant to anything? The Iranian airliner was in Iranian airspace, on a flight plan, in a designated airway, squawking its assigned code, and climbing to altitude. From Formal Investigation into the Circumstances Surrounding the Downing of Iran Air Flight 655 on 3 July 1988 by Admiral William Fogarty USN. "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from take-off at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down." Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles. This contradicted earlier Navy statements... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #111 August 22, 2009 I was not discussing the Vincennes. I was making a suggestion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #112 August 22, 2009 Quote What kind of "due process" did the 290 victims of the Vincennes receive? Your double standard is showing. If you can show that the Vincennes crew planned out and executed the deliberate downing of the jet, I'll admit to a double standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #113 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuote What kind of "due process" did the 290 victims of the Vincennes receive? Your double standard is showing. If you can show that the Vincennes crew planned out and executed the deliberate downing of the jet, I'll admit to a double standard. you've already said that the captain didn't care about the casualties he was about to cause so i would call that deliberate.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #114 August 22, 2009 The thing that disgusts me is the obvious hero's welcome he got back in Libya. In the last few years we have been led to believe that Gadafi's son has been turning Libya away from extremism, abandoning nuclear weapons, and seeking a place in a law abiding world community. Reminds me of the fuckin' Palestinians dancing in the street and firing their precious AK's in the air on 9/11. Fuckin' kill them all. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #115 August 22, 2009 Hey why not tell us what you really think At least you are tip toeing around it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #116 August 22, 2009 QuoteThe thing that disgusts me is the obvious hero's welcome he got back in Libya. Not only was it disgusting, it pretty much guarantees that something similar won't happen again. He was a dying man, but he's not a hero. Quote Fuckin' kill them all. No, there are a lot of decent Arabs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #117 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou talk about double standards, yet where is the correlation when comparing a incident by misinformation vs. blood drunk motive?? Did you know that Obama has also called the release of Lockerbie a bad decision? It would appear that you and the president do not share the same view on the release that took place. You ASSume incorrectly, as usual. I have not commented at all on the Lockerbie decision, just on the double standards of you and others. Where was the self-righteous outrage when the captain of the Vincennes was presented with a medal on his return? Make no mistake.... I am opposed of any medal received if it was awarded for shooting down the civilian aircraft. However, there are medals that are given to all crew for certain operations and sea service every time they are deployed. I know as I got medals for my Naval service on active duty just because I was part of the squadron taking part of a certain mission. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #118 August 22, 2009 QuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #119 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. The ones you describe exist but are a small minority.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #120 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. The ones who are not doing the stuff you mentioned are the VAST majority of Arabs. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #121 August 23, 2009 Quote you've already said that the captain didn't care about the casualties he was about to cause so i would call that deliberate. No, I said he cares about his crew. Try to keep up. On the plus side, at least you're doing more than quoting wackjob websites now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #122 August 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. The ones who are not doing the stuff you mentioned are the VAST majority of Arabs. Amazing, the bleeding hearts here. Wonder how many have forgiven Hitler and burn a candle on his birthday.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #123 August 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. The ones who are not doing the stuff you mentioned are the VAST majority of Arabs. Amazing, the bleeding hearts here. Wonder how many have forgiven Hitler and burn a candle on his birthday. Yeah, I have a long history of leftish bleeding heart postings. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #124 August 23, 2009 To me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #125 August 23, 2009 QuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. Where was his compassion? Obama has stated his objections to the release. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
