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QuoteWorst. Analogy. Ever.
Only if you refuse to accept that abortion is the premature end of a human life-otherwise, it makes perfect sense.
You are only as strong as the prey you devour
champu 1
QuoteQuoteWorst. Analogy. Ever.
Only if you refuse to accept that abortion is the premature end of a human life-otherwise, it makes perfect sense.
No, no... irrespective of my stance on abortion.
But I am laughing now (yes, out loud) because the fact that the analogy in question has the power to derail a thread about terrorism into one of abortion is but one of the things that make it the Worst. Analogy. Ever.
Unintentional : Premeditated ::
a) Automobile Fatalities : Beltway Sniper Attacks
b) Abortion : Death Penalty
c) Pancreatic Cancer : Bank Robbery Shootings
d) Iran Air 655 : Pan Am 103
e) Both a) and d)
SkyChimp 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUnintentional versus premeditated. Did you catch that?
murder is murder. (was lockerbie really a surprise after this iranian airliner had been shot down)
No No No..... Unintentional versus premeditated.
That's like saying abortion and the death sentence are the same. Killing innocent babies versus a process of adjudication from a jury of peers for a crime against society are different. If you can't grasp that, then it's okay...... I just want to know.
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
No, it was dead on
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
Correct on the thread drift-off on other things. Moving in 3......2........1....
You are only as strong as the prey you devour
QuoteQuoteQuoteWorst. Analogy. Ever.
Only if you refuse to accept that abortion is the premature end of a human life-otherwise, it makes perfect sense.
No, no... irrespective of my stance on abortion.
But I am laughing now (yes, out loud) because the fact that the analogy in question has the power to derail a thread about terrorism into one of abortion is but one of the things that make it the Worst. Analogy. Ever.
Unintentional : Premeditated ::
a) Automobile Fatalities : Beltway Sniper Attacks
b) Abortion : Death Penalty
c) Pancreatic Cancer : Bank Robbery Shootings
d) Iran Air 655 : Pan Am 103
e) Both a) and d)
I think his point was that they aren't the same champ.
Well now that they released this one, It's now America's turn. Lets see..... I guess we can spin the bottle and see which terrorist gets freed from Gitmo
Hey Muhammad, why don't you wash your mouth out with a revolver!
QuoteQuoteQuoteWorst. Analogy. Ever.
Only if you refuse to accept that abortion is the premature end of a human life-otherwise, it makes perfect sense.
No, no... irrespective of my stance on abortion.
But I am laughing now (yes, out loud) because the fact that the analogy in question has the power to derail a thread about terrorism into one of abortion is but one of the things that make it the Worst. Analogy. Ever.
Unintentional : Premeditated ::
a) Automobile Fatalities : Beltway Sniper Attacks
b) Abortion : Death Penalty
c) Pancreatic Cancer : Bank Robbery Shootings
d) Iran Air 655 : Pan Am 103
e) Both a) and d)
I touched on this in the parallel thread, but Bank Robbery Shooting is not automatically premeditated. However, the death resulting from an unintentional shooting (and subsequent death) during a premeditated bank robbery could be taken as intentional (felony-murder).
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I do not for one instant believe that the US Navy's radars can't tell the difference between a fighter on an attack run and an airliner climbing to altitude.
What interests were served by shooting down that passenger plane?
I can see some rational for the notion that KAL007 could have been acting as a spy plane, but I don't see the upside for this shooting. (And the Russians certainly didn't benefit from their action either)
When everyone is in a fighting stance, mistakes get made and they are deadly mistakes.
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For all of the above reasons sending him back was not only the humane but the most cost effective thing to do.
Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
The bigger picture says that showing compassion has been remarkably ineffective with our enemies in the Middle East. We turn the other cheek, like Jesus did, and we get killed for it.
Reagan's mantra was right - peace through strength.
It would also seem clear to criminals in England that there is little punishment - which one of you wrote in the last day that the average "life" sentence in the UK was 9 years?
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I do not for one instant believe that the US Navy's radars can't tell the difference between a fighter on an attack run and an airliner climbing to altitude.
What interests were served by shooting down that passenger plane?
I can see some rational for the notion that KAL007 could have been acting as a spy plane, but I don't see the upside for this shooting. (And the Russians certainly didn't benefit from their action either)
When everyone is in a fighting stance, mistakes get made and they are deadly mistakes.
the captain made the wrong decision - he could have chosen not to shoot down the civilian airliner.
stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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good solid response-provoking keyboarding
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding
Used Visual ID, instead of cold heartless technology too.
P.S we're going to have to stop agreeing too... Not ver SC
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
P.S we're going to have to stop agreeing too... Not ver SC
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
champu 1
QuoteQuoteUnintentional : Premeditated ::
a) Automobile Fatalities : Beltway Sniper Attacks
b) Abortion : Death Penalty
c) Pancreatic Cancer : Bank Robbery Shootings
d) Iran Air 655 : Pan Am 103
e) Both a) and d)
I touched on this in the parallel thread, but Bank Robbery Shooting is not automatically premeditated. However, the death resulting from an unintentional shooting (and subsequent death) during a premeditated bank robbery could be taken as intentional (felony-murder).
Correct; I tried to make it as test-like as possible. c) is the "slightly tricky answer" to get rid of whereas b) is the one you'd eliminate immediately (on account of it being the Worst. Analogy. Ever.)
/edited to add... alright, alight... I'll lose the attitude. Sometimes even when I don't disagree with someone I'll give them flak about presenting an idea in a wholly unconvincing manner.
MY point was that neither abortion nor the death penalty are unintentional. Also, neither group of passengers is well represented by the elaboration in the analogy regarding due process. And finally, at the core of the analogy, we have the axiomatic statements of "abortion = killing babies" and "capital punishment given due process is perfectly fine" which are both moot.
SkyChimp 0
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I do not for one instant believe that the US Navy's radars can't tell the difference between a fighter on an attack run and an airliner climbing to altitude.
What interests were served by shooting down that passenger plane?
I can see some rational for the notion that KAL007 could have been acting as a spy plane, but I don't see the upside for this shooting. (And the Russians certainly didn't benefit from their action either)
When everyone is in a fighting stance, mistakes get made and they are deadly mistakes.
First time I agree with Kelp.... that was my point. Mistakes are unintentional.
Here are some editorial pictures below from the AP.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
IR655 : 290 people were not given medals and promotions
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
kallend 2,106
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I do not for one instant believe that the US Navy's radars can't tell the difference between a fighter on an attack run and an airliner climbing to altitude.
What interests were served by shooting down that passenger plane?
Why was an Aegis cruiser in Iranian waters anyway, in a fighting stance? Why did the Navy lie about that?
What message does it send when we give medals to the crew of a ship that killed 290 innocent civilians and then whine because a scumbag on his deathbed gets released from prison?
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I can see some rational for the notion that KAL007 could have been acting as a spy plane, but I don't see the upside for this shooting. (And the Russians certainly didn't benefit from their action either)
When everyone is in a fighting stance, mistakes get made and they are deadly mistakes.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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What message does it send when we give medals to the crew of a ship that killed 290 innocent civilians and then whine because a scumbag on his deathbed gets released from prison?
Uh, respect for due process? A foreign court found him guilty and sentenced him to 28 years in prison.
But apparently we have more respect for their process than even they do.
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the captain made the wrong decision - he could have chosen not to shoot down the civilian airliner.
Sure. The USS Cole had to operate under such guidelines and it got a bunch of sailors killed. I know you don't give a shit, but most captains actually do care about their crew.
SkyChimp 0
QuoteIR655 : 290 people were not given medals and promotions
I never said they did...... what are you referring to?
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
QuoteQuoteIR655 : 290 people were not given medals and promotions
I never said they did...... what are you referring to?
He's repeating a common half truth that the Vincennes crew were awarded medals for killing civilians.
from wikipedia:
The men of the Vincennes were all awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, received the Navy Commendation Medal, often given for acts of heroism or meritorious service, but a not-uncommon end-of-tour medal for a second tour division officer. According to the History Channel, the medal citation noted his ability to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure."[35] However, in 1990, The Washington Post listed Lustig's awards as one being for his entire tour from 1984 to 1988 and the other for his actions relating to the surface engagement with Iranian gunboats. In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989." The award was given for his service as the Commanding Officer of the Vincennes, and the citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655.[36] The Legion of Merit is often awarded to high-ranking officers upon successful completion of especially difficult duty assignments and/or last tours of duty before retirement.
kallend 2,106
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What message does it send when we give medals to the crew of a ship that killed 290 innocent civilians and then whine because a scumbag on his deathbed gets released from prison?
Uh, respect for due process? A foreign court found him guilty and sentenced him to 28 years in prison.
But apparently we have more respect for their process than even they do.
What kind of "due process" did the 290 victims of the Vincennes receive?
Your double standard is showing.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Try flying towards a battle group without a filed flight plan, and without an IFF squawk, let us know what the fish feeding on you feels like.
Obamas comments
QuoteU.S. President Barack Obama said the Scottish decision to free terminally ill Abdel Baset al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds was a mistake and said he should be under house arrest. Obama warned Libya not to give him a hero's welcome.
Despite the warning, at the military airport in Tripoli where al-Megrahi's plane touched down, thousands of youths were on hand to warmly greet him. He left the plane wearing a dark suit and a tie and accompanied by Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's son, Saif al-Islam Gadhafi. They immediately sped off in a convoy of all-white vehicles.
QuoteThere was a festive atmosphere with some wearing T-shirts with al-Megrahi's picture and waving Libyan and miniature blue-and-white Scottish flags.
Maybe it was operator error.QuoteQuote[reply
The missile didn't launch itself at the airliner. Someone gave the order.
someone gave the order to launch a missle against an incoming fighter. That identification was wrong and a tragic mistake, but the order wasn't given to launch against a passenger plane (which is what you implied).
I do not for one instant believe that the US Navy's radars can't tell the difference between a fighter on an attack run and an airliner climbing to altitude.
Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
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