dreamdancer 0 #126 August 23, 2009 Quote Quote you've already said that the captain didn't care about the casualties he was about to cause so i would call that deliberate. No, I said he cares about his crew. cared more for them (trained professional volunteers) than the iranian civilians he murdered stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #127 August 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. The ones who are not doing the stuff you mentioned are the VAST majority of Arabs. Amazing, the bleeding hearts here. Wonder how many have forgiven Hitler and burn a candle on his birthday. What a breathtakingly idiotic comment. Even for Speaker's Corner. Worthy of scientific study. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #128 August 23, 2009 Quote What a breathtakingly idiotic comment. Even for Speaker's Corner. Worthy of scientific study. Is that an example of baiting? If he responds, regardless of the response, you are then afforded the opportunity to display your court room prowess. Are you picking up clues from my style? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #129 August 23, 2009 Nope. It's an example of a reasonable response to a breathtakingly idiotic comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #130 August 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. One could say the same about the relatives of the people in My Lai. Their American murderers, although well known, went almost completely unpunished, the toughest sentence being 3 years HOUSE arrest. While outrage may well be warranted in the Lockerbie case, the US is the last place that has any right to be outraged.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #131 August 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo, there are a lot of decent Arabs. Only the ones that aren't chanting Allah Akbar and killing innocent people in clubs, metro buses, commercial aircraft, trade towers, embassy buildings, and vehicle check points. The ones who are not doing the stuff you mentioned are the VAST majority of Arabs. Amazing, the bleeding hearts here. Wonder how many have forgiven Hitler and burn a candle on his birthday. What a breathtakingly idiotic comment. Even for Speaker's Corner. Worthy of scientific study. Aw, your response is typical from a liberal, bleeding heart lawyer who is more interested in the health and welfare of his criminal clients than those of the victims and their families. Setting the Lockerbie bomber loose is another example of the socialist, european style justice the BHO clan would like us to emulate.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #132 August 23, 2009 Quote .... Setting the Lockerbie bomber loose is another example of the socialist, european style justice the BHO clan would like us to emulate. Oh please! It's European BTW: What exactly do you know about the European style in justice? You've been over here when, last time? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #133 August 23, 2009 Quote Quote .... Setting the Lockerbie bomber loose is another example of the socialist, european style justice the BHO clan would like us to emulate. Oh please! It's European BTW: What exactly do you know about the European style in justice? You've been over here when, last time? What? Just read above. THAT is what we is being talked about."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #134 August 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. One could say the same about the relatives of the people in My Lai. Their American murderers, although well known, went almost completely unpunished, the toughest sentence being 3 years HOUSE arrest. While outrage may well be warranted in the Lockerbie case, the US is the last place that has any right to be outraged. Nope. I have two observations. 1- Nobody has the right to tell me what I can or cannot be outraged about. Freedom of expression. 2- Injustice by one person is not related to the injustices of another. Separate cases. One case does not make the other either pardonable or punishable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #135 August 24, 2009 European with a capital E. Please forgive me.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #136 August 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. One could say the same about the relatives of the people in My Lai. Their American murderers, although well known, went almost completely unpunished, the toughest sentence being 3 years HOUSE arrest. While outrage may well be warranted in the Lockerbie case, the US is the last place that has any right to be outraged. Individuals in the US military may have made mistakes. They are rare. After all, there have been millions of US military members. For your current discussion of officers making mistakes, British officers have a laundry list. I always wondered why the Brits never arrested the officers who ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade. That was another example of poor leadership leading to the slaughter of their own men, again. WWII - constantly dropping commandos into areas and thousands were immediately captured. If we want to talk about historical ineptitude... ...but why would we? We are discussing the release of a terrorist, not every military mistake ever made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #137 August 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. One could say the same about the relatives of the people in My Lai. Their American murderers, although well known, went almost completely unpunished, the toughest sentence being 3 years HOUSE arrest. While outrage may well be warranted in the Lockerbie case, the US is the last place that has any right to be outraged. Individuals in the US military may have made mistakes. They are rare. After all, there have been millions of US military members. For your current discussion of officers making mistakes, British officers have a laundry list. . Vincennes was arguably a mistake (for which no apology was ever made and the captain and crew received medals). My Lai was not a mistake, it was murder.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #138 August 24, 2009 ( strictly for humanitarian reasons, of course ). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #139 August 25, 2009 http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_gaddafi_lockerbie/2009/08/24/251843.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #140 August 25, 2009 Quote http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_gaddafi_lockerbie/2009/08/24/251843.html Clutching at straws again? "This year Kadhafi is the head of the General Assembly, and so I assume that at some point they'll run into each other," White House deputy spokesman Bill Burton said at Martha's Vineyard, a well-heeled east coast resort where Obama is on vacation. "But there's no scheduled meeting and no plans to schedule one." And if I drive through Iowa there's a chance I'll run in to you. But I'm certainly not planning to.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #141 August 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. One could say the same about the relatives of the people in My Lai. Their American murderers, although well known, went almost completely unpunished, the toughest sentence being 3 years HOUSE arrest. While outrage may well be warranted in the Lockerbie case, the US is the last place that has any right to be outraged. Individuals in the US military may have made mistakes. They are rare. After all, there have been millions of US military members. For your current discussion of officers making mistakes, British officers have a laundry list. . Vincennes was arguably a mistake (for which no apology was ever made and the captain and crew received medals). My Lai was not a mistake, it was murder. ...as the bunny trails continue. The entire history of the world can be discussed. Every avenue or possible twist can be distorted and explored. No value at all. The Lockerbie bomber was a convicted criminal. He should have died in prison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #142 August 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, the question of whether he is innocent is irrelevant. The UK government is not saying he is innocent. They are saying he is guilty, but they are still letting him out of prison. I think it's insulting for everyone that had family that died on the airplane. They are releasing him on the grounds of "compassion". Interesting. None of the people on that plane get to spend the rest of their lives with their families. One could say the same about the relatives of the people in My Lai. Their American murderers, although well known, went almost completely unpunished, the toughest sentence being 3 years HOUSE arrest. While outrage may well be warranted in the Lockerbie case, the US is the last place that has any right to be outraged. Individuals in the US military may have made mistakes. They are rare. After all, there have been millions of US military members. For your current discussion of officers making mistakes, British officers have a laundry list. . Vincennes was arguably a mistake (for which no apology was ever made and the captain and crew received medals). My Lai was not a mistake, it was murder. ...as the bunny trails continue. The entire history of the world can be discussed. Every avenue or possible twist can be distorted and explored. No value at all. The Lockerbie bomber was a convicted criminal. He should have died in prison. Double standard. The US has no standing to be critical, based on its prior performance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #143 August 25, 2009 Well then you have no reason to judge or demean others and or their views. In fact you cannot then say anything at all since you are a British Subject transplanted to the USA, Therefore you are guilty of anything the empire has ever done due to your heritage. History is bitch when you hold it against others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
