Darius11 12 #1 August 21, 2009 For all the pilots who drooped bombs, solders who shot bullets, and commanders who gave orders, that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, and even more injuries. How should we punish these people for committing murder? I am very curios to see what you all think. So what should happen to all those responsible for the massive loss of life caused in Iraq?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #2 August 21, 2009 whoa....... i wouldn't touch THIS with a 20 foot pole. But i will check back to see if OTHERS do.... trolling are we??? jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #3 August 21, 2009 Quote For all the pilots who drooped bombs, solders who shot bullets, and commanders who gave orders, that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, and even more injuries. How should we punish these people for committing murder? I am very curios to see what you all think. So what should happen to all those responsible for the massive loss of life caused in Iraq? Would that include Blackwater (Xe) employees? www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/us/21intel.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #4 August 21, 2009 Quote For all the pilots who drooped bombs, solders who shot bullets, and commanders who gave orders, that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, and even more injuries. How should we punish these people for committing murder? I am very curios to see what you all think. So what should happen to all those responsible for the massive loss of life caused in Iraq? FLÜGGÅƏNK∂€ČHIŒβØL∫Ên xD "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 August 21, 2009 Exactly the same way as if they would at home. A uniform should not give you a free pass to kill innocents. Nor should an order. The person with the finger on the trigger should be prosecuted via Due Process. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #6 August 21, 2009 torrlling? I actually think it’s a great question for everyone to consider.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #7 August 21, 2009 Yes.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #8 August 21, 2009 That is the crap of war ... innocents get killed. Name me a war where they didn't. I'm not justifying a My Lai type situation, but even in the best of technology, there will be collateral damage. I am against exasperating the confusion soldiers are put in through combat by hanging a "If innocents get killed, we'll put you away for life" threat over their heads. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #9 August 21, 2009 You left out the terrorists who specifically target innocent civilians, and their Iranian "diplomats" who help them perfect their skills.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #10 August 21, 2009 QuoteThat is the crap of war ... innocents get killed. Name me a war where they didn't. I'm not justifying a Mei Lei type situation, but even in the best of technology, there will be collateral damage. I am against exasperating the confusion soldiers are put in through combat by hanging a "If innocents get killed, we'll put you away for life" threat over their heads. Calley served 3 years of "house arrest" for My Lai, and in polls 79% of Americans thought that too much.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 August 21, 2009 UK troops who are identified as having committed crimes in Iraq are arrested and brought to justice in a court of law and if found guilty face prison.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #12 August 21, 2009 Quotewhoa....... i wouldn't touch THIS with a 20 foot pole. But i will check back to see if OTHERS do.... trolling are we??? jt He's just looking to expose the clear double standard shown by some posters here. Killing civilians is only heinous when done by people they don't like.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 August 21, 2009 Why itemise a single country? They pretty much ALL do it ... Yes even yours & ours. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #14 August 21, 2009 Again let me clarify. IMHO there is a big difference between casualty of war and the willful killing of civilians. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #15 August 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteThat is the crap of war ... innocents get killed. Name me a war where they didn't. I'm not justifying a Mei Lei type situation, but even in the best of technology, there will be collateral damage. I am against exasperating the confusion soldiers are put in through combat by hanging a "If innocents get killed, we'll put you away for life" threat over their heads. Calley served 3 years of "house arrest" for My Lai, and in polls 79% of Americans thought that too much. Count me as in the other 21%, but what do I know. I was 13 in 1968. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 August 21, 2009 QuoteAgain let me clarify. IMHO there is a big difference between casualty of war and the willful killing of civilians. Again, like the relatives of the victims of the Lockabee bombing... it could depend upon your personal perspective. If some 'act of war' killed one of my famility, I'd not be calling it collatoral damage. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #17 August 21, 2009 Have you ever been in combat? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #18 August 21, 2009 QuoteHave you ever been in combat? Are you arguing for a double standard?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 August 21, 2009 QuoteAgain let me clarify. IMHO there is a big difference between casualty of war and the willful killing of civilians. Obviously, a family taken from their beds lined up and shot is clearly a crime, a family killed as they hide in a room in a compound that is being cleared of the enemy and a grenade comes through the door is tragic but unlikely to be a crime.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 August 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote That is the crap of war ... innocents get killed. Name me a war where they didn't. I'm not justifying a Mei Lei type situation, but even in the best of technology, there will be collateral damage. I am against exasperating the confusion soldiers are put in through combat by hanging a "If innocents get killed, we'll put you away for life" threat over their heads. Calley served 3 years of "house arrest" for My Lai, and in polls 79% of Americans thought that too much. Count me as in the other 21%, but what do I know. I was 13 in 1968. old fartWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #21 August 21, 2009 QuoteYou left out the terrorists who specifically target innocent civilians, and their Iranian "diplomats" who help them perfect their skills. Feel free to include them, but if you comment on them please comment on the others as well.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #22 August 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteHave you ever been in combat? Are you arguing for a double standard? No, simply stating the fog of war is just that. Until you have experienced it, I think the information you make blanket statements about punishing any soldier who accidentally kills civilians in a crossfire is incomplete. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #23 August 21, 2009 QuoteQuotewhoa....... i wouldn't touch THIS with a 20 foot pole. But i will check back to see if OTHERS do.... trolling are we??? jt He's just looking to expose the clear double standard shown by some posters here. Killing civilians is only heinous when done by people they don't like. I wonder if they even see their lack of consistency? I bet you some of the ones I am most curios about will not even answer. It will be easier for them to make fun or find some issue with the thread then to realize how they decide for compassion or no tolerance. It would be great if they see they are motivated by justice as many claim or hate.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #24 August 21, 2009 The weapons of war are different on every side depending on capability. War is fighting and killing. Dead is dead no matter if it was a result of bomb from a an F18 or a bomb attached to Ahmed. Every war has collateral damage, when we make the decision to go to war we make the decision knowing inocent people will die. We try to justify this by giving reasons for going to war. However when those reasons are false it means we made a mistake. So do you just say ooopppps sorry or do you want the people responsible to pay for their crimes? I think many decide whom they will show compassion too and who gets zero tolerance by who did the crime, and not the crime it self. The worst part is I think the ones mots guilty of this do not even see it.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #25 August 21, 2009 QuoteAre you arguing for a double standard? Or maybe pointing out that it's two different situations. Collateral fatalities (I don't like "damage", it is dead people not holes on the road) is not the same as the TARGETING of civilians in a premeditated act of terror. Even you can't draw a straight line between the two adn any attempt to do so only exhibits that you're so married to your viewpoint that reality isn't allowed to intrude.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
