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Joe... the oldest, died in WW-II
2-yrs later, a sister died in a plane crash.
Another sister died after a lobotomy.
John was assassinated as was Bobby.
Joan, died recently.
Ted, being the last.
Chuck
I think you're thinking of Eunice who died recently. Joan was his first wife.
Also forgot Patricia Kennedy, and Jean Kennedy Smith is still alive.
Here's an outline that was put together when Eunice died:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_re_us/us_kennedy_siblings_glance
JOSEPH P. KENNEDY JR., 1915-1944
A Navy pilot, died when an explosives-laden bomber he was piloting on a secret World War II mission exploded. Awarded the Navy Cross and the Air Medal.
JOHN F. KENNEDY, 1917-1963
A U.S. senator from Massachusetts before he was elected the 35th president of the United States in 1960. Assassinated in Dallas, 1963. Married Jacqueline Bouvier in 1953.
ROSEMARY KENNEDY, 1918-2005
Institutionalized through most of her life because of mental disability and a failed lobotomy.
KATHLEEN KENNEDY, 1920-1948
Married to William John Robert Cavendish, the Marquess of Hartington. Died in a plane crash; her husband had been killed in World War II.
EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER, 1921-2009
Founder of the Special Olympics. Married to R. Sargent Shriver Jr., former Peace Corps director and unsuccessful candidate for president in 1976 and vice president in 1972.
PATRICIA KENNEDY LAWFORD, 1924-2006
Married and divorced from actor Peter Lawford.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, 1925-1968
Former U.S. attorney general, a U.S. senator from New York and a presidential candidate in 1968. Assassinated in Los Angeles, 1968. Married in 1950 to Ethel Skakel. They had 11 children.
JEAN KENNEDY SMITH, 1928-
Served five years as ambassador to Ireland in the Clinton administration. Married Stephen Edward Smith in 1956; he died in 1990.
EDWARD MOORE KENNEDY, 1932-
U.S. senator from Massachusetts since 1962. Married Virginia Joan Bennett 1958; divorced 1983. Married Victoria Reggie in 1992.
Thank you! I was trying to remember what i had heard earlier on a news story... I should know better than to trust my memory!
Thanks, again.
Chuck
QuoteLove him or hate him, he was instrumental in shaping American politics as it exists today:
That's not something to be proud of.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteLove him or hate him, he was instrumental in shaping American politics as it exists today:
That's not something to be proud of.
Newt Gingrich was instrumental in shaping today's American politics, too.
I'll take the civility and compassion of Ted Kennedy over the nastiness and divisiveness of Gingrich any day of the week.
QuoteIn his honor, let us continue to pursue "The Cause Of His Life":
http://www.newsweek.com/id/207406
and "end the disgrace of America as the only major industrialized nation in the world that doesn't guarantee health care for all of its people."
QuoteKennedy's death altho trajic to his family and friends and they have my condolences, is probably good for the US. He was a drunk and at least in my opinion a murderer. what he did in his youth would put anyone of us in jail today. he cheated in school, was an alcohlic, and murdered a you girl. now that he is gone the dem's are 1 vote short in the senate on health care and that might save us taxpayers trillions of dollars and government control of our health care. Anyones death is trajic but Kennedy's may have just enormously helped the US financial condition.
You forgot to mention he avoided going to Korea by not showing up for duty in the Army Reserves.
hmmmmm that must have slipped under the radar of the kennedy loving media.
wmw999 2,452
Given the amount of vituperation and spin I'm hearing in this thread, I think that a whole lot of folks were really, really scared of him.
He had an outsized family, an outsized personality, outsized faults, and outsized good qualities. The vast majority of his co-workers, who knew him better than anyone on dropzone.com, thought highly of him.
It's possible to disagree with someone and still think highly of them.
Wendy P.
He had an outsized family, an outsized personality, outsized faults, and outsized good qualities. The vast majority of his co-workers, who knew him better than anyone on dropzone.com, thought highly of him.
It's possible to disagree with someone and still think highly of them.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
sometimes when the list gets as long as kennedy's, some things are just going to get missed.
Kennedy earned C grades at the private Milton Academy, but was admitted to Harvard as a "legacy" -- his father and older brothers had attended there, so the younger and dimmer Kennedy's admission was virtually assured.
While attending, he was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England, pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war was raging. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged.
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BTW it was extremely uncommon for any enlisted soldiers to be stationed in Paris at that time and even rarer that a private be stationed there as part of the diplomatic contingent.
Of course carousing and not showing up for duty went without punishment.
While attending, he was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England, pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war was raging. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged.
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BTW it was extremely uncommon for any enlisted soldiers to be stationed in Paris at that time and even rarer that a private be stationed there as part of the diplomatic contingent.
Of course carousing and not showing up for duty went without punishment.
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QuoteGiven the amount of vituperation and spin I'm hearing in this thread, I think that a whole lot of folks were really, really scared of him.
Sounds like Andy and Quade on their continuing Palin Crusade, doesn't it?
Mike
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QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would you want men of character making laws that confiscate our wealth in order to further the cause of forced morality?
I never voted for Bush (who funded a 3-trillion dollar war with my money for his own forced morality).
Being a character doesn't mean one has character.
As for Mr. Kennedy, most people have their positive traits and their flaws, and he appeared to be no exception. I suspect there will be many people who will miss him, and many others who will be glad he's gone. I doubt I'll find ever find myself in either group.
Blues,
Dave
I agree - I am also of the group that doesn't have any real feelings about him one way or the other. The angle that has me really curious is that this guy was a political institution in Congress from what, 30 years old? Is that even possible anymore, and will it ever be again?
The real interesting stuff (most of I which I was ignorant about until the news starting repeating it ad naseum when he died, and a lot of it to which I am certain i am ignorant about still) that happened in this guy happened in a unique combination of social/political era, family and time period in our country.
I love these types of historical 'quirks', if you will.
QuoteHe had an outsized family, an outsized personality, outsized faults, and outsized good qualities.
Hmm.. Don't forget the outsized belly and liver.
The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.
wmw999 2,452
Fits right in with the rest of America, including favorites like Rush.
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
QuoteFits right in with the rest of America, including favorites like Rush.
Wendy P.
Ha. So true, and I should probably cut him a bit of slack. Just a tiny bit, though.
The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.
Skyrad 0
QuoteQuoteBreaking news - succumbed to cancer.
While I didn't like the man, nor agreed with his political views, I hope his passing was as fast and painless as possible given his condition.
My sentiments as well. As with Cronkite, maybe someone can make better use of his oxygen now.
Quotemaybe someone can make better use of his oxygen now.
Not very Christian of you Ron.
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Andy9o8 2
QuoteKennedy earned C grades at the private Milton Academy, but was admitted to Harvard as a "legacy" -- his father and older brothers had attended there, so the younger and dimmer Kennedy's admission was virtually assured.
While attending, he was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England, pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war was raging. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged.
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BTW it was extremely uncommon for any enlisted soldiers to be stationed in Paris at that time and even rarer that a private be stationed there as part of the diplomatic contingent.
Of course carousing and not showing up for duty went without punishment.
In all non-partisan seriousness, I think objective historians would find some parallels between the lives of Ted Kennedy and George W. Bush. Snotty uber-rich kids with New England roots; politically influential families; Ivy League educations that neither of them academically earned or did well at; carousing, alcoholic assholes in their younger years; cushy military stints, each specially-tailored to keep them out of the nasty foreign war of the day, and each apparently served with plenty of dereliction to go with the duty. Then, upon moving into middle age, a sort of re-birth and redemption to acheive virtually unparalleled power and influence.
The lesson of this story is given to us by Al Bundy: "Oh, yeah; life's fair."
QuoteEdward "Ted" Kennedy died as the current Democratic Party record holder for most-commandments-broken.
(Bill Clinton noted that, "I could have been ahead if Hillary
hadn't insisted on doing all the killing because she enjoys it so.")
At the end of it, I don't want him to go down as some kind of monster or some kind of martyr.
You are only as strong as the prey you devour
QuoteQuoteWhy would you want men of character making laws that confiscate our wealth in order to further the cause of forced morality?
I never voted for Bush (who funded a 3-trillion dollar war with my money for his own forced morality).
The cost of both wars combined since 2001 is about $900B. Slightly less than the cost of the healthcare bill we should pass "in Teddy's memory." Slightly more than the stimulus we had to pass immediately earlier this year. 3-trillion is the projected deficit over the first year and half of Obama's presidency.
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I think you're thinking of Eunice who died recently. Joan was his first wife.
Also forgot Patricia Kennedy, and Jean Kennedy Smith is still alive.
Here's an outline that was put together when Eunice died:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090811/ap_on_re_us/us_kennedy_siblings_glance
JOSEPH P. KENNEDY JR., 1915-1944
A Navy pilot, died when an explosives-laden bomber he was piloting on a secret World War II mission exploded. Awarded the Navy Cross and the Air Medal.
JOHN F. KENNEDY, 1917-1963
A U.S. senator from Massachusetts before he was elected the 35th president of the United States in 1960. Assassinated in Dallas, 1963. Married Jacqueline Bouvier in 1953.
ROSEMARY KENNEDY, 1918-2005
Institutionalized through most of her life because of mental disability and a failed lobotomy.
KATHLEEN KENNEDY, 1920-1948
Married to William John Robert Cavendish, the Marquess of Hartington. Died in a plane crash; her husband had been killed in World War II.
EUNICE KENNEDY SHRIVER, 1921-2009
Founder of the Special Olympics. Married to R. Sargent Shriver Jr., former Peace Corps director and unsuccessful candidate for president in 1976 and vice president in 1972.
PATRICIA KENNEDY LAWFORD, 1924-2006
Married and divorced from actor Peter Lawford.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, 1925-1968
Former U.S. attorney general, a U.S. senator from New York and a presidential candidate in 1968. Assassinated in Los Angeles, 1968. Married in 1950 to Ethel Skakel. They had 11 children.
JEAN KENNEDY SMITH, 1928-
Served five years as ambassador to Ireland in the Clinton administration. Married Stephen Edward Smith in 1956; he died in 1990.
EDWARD MOORE KENNEDY, 1932-
U.S. senator from Massachusetts since 1962. Married Virginia Joan Bennett 1958; divorced 1983. Married Victoria Reggie in 1992.
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