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How do you view Christians?

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Just like every other group of people in the world; some are cool, some are total asshats. Some of the people are driven to be cool because of their faith and others are just as likely to be driven to be asshats by it as well. For some, their religion has nothing whatsoever with how cool or how much of an asshat they are.

I dare you to find any religion this doesn't apply to.
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Just like every other group of people in the world; some are cool, some are total asshats. Some of the people are driven to be cool because of their faith and others are just as likely to be driven to be asshats by it as well. For some, their religion has nothing whatsoever with how cool or how much of an asshat they are.

I dare you to find any religion this doesn't apply to.



agree - people are people everywhere and one factor doesn't seem enough to define anyone

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I'm on a slightly different tack than Quade.
As a whole voting social group, Christians collectively leave me frightened.
Individually there are Christians that are trustworthy, wonderful, honorable people.
And there are some that are not.

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The only thing that ever concerns me about religious based voting blocks is the manipulative way their leadership can sway them in the name of "God". Control the leadership and you control a vast block and unfortunately the vast majority of people in the US are Christian.

I am completely against religion being used as a political weapon. Unfortunately, that's why the majority of religions exist, to be used as a tool to control the masses.

Again, this is no different with Christians as any other religion.

This is especially troubling in the US where religious leadership can be played via threats of tax inquiries. If I had my way, religious institutions in the US would all lose their tax exempt status. There is simply too much temptation by evil when it comes to the political machinations of politics combined with religion.
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most of the christians i know, break some of the rules(commandments) in the bible. sex no marriage, saying god damn it, doing stuff on sundays. but still claim to be christian "me an god have a private understanding."
they believe they can practice a watered down version of it. dont really want to waste a lot of time with it, but claim believe just in case that heaven / hell thing is real.
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With an open mind. As Quad said there are good Christians and bad ones too. I take people as I find them, be they Christian, Jew, Muslim or Hindu.
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Again, this is no different with Christians as any other religion.

and any political action group, or any really large power structure of any other kind

If I had my way, religious institutions in the US would all lose their tax exempt status.

ABSOLUTELY, and I think that should apply to any group or charity or business as well



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A PAC, by definition, is already a group of people getting together expressly for a political purpose. It's a bit different in that their actions follow their stated overt goal. The leadership probably isn't going to threaten them with fire and brimstone damnation if they don't vote a certain way, because it's not in their purview. Although we do have quite a bit of cross-over when you get to things like SarahPAC. Less so for say, the NRA and nil for the USPA.

Charities (real ones) need the tax exempt status and I guess that's a piece of the issue. Tax exempt status was given to churches so they could do charitable work. Unfortunately, some of the mega-churches really just hide behind it to line their pockets.

I'm not aware of too many businesses that have tax exempt status. Although I would like to eliminate all forms of business subsidies if possible. They screw with the free market economy so it's actually impossible to say what really is or isn't profitable or healthy when it comes to certain items such as corn and bio-fuel.
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>most of the christians i know, break some of the rules(commandments)
> in the bible. sex no marriage, saying god damn it, doing stuff on
>sundays. but still claim to be christian "me an god have a private
>understanding."

Many of those Christians consider the Bible as something other than a history, science and/or rule book. (BTW I didn't know "sex no marriage" was a commandment! )

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Sure it is; "Thou shall sex no marriage."

It's gotta be in there somewhere. Check again. I mean, the idea there are only ten is kind of silly.

Additionally, not everybody thinks Sunday is the "seventh" day. I mean, just look at a normal calendar.
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A PAC, .....The leadership probably isn't going to threaten them with fire and brimstone damnation if they don't vote a certain way global warming, because it's not in their purview.

Charities (real ones) need the tax exempt status and I guess that's a piece of the issue. If so, then any org "CLAIMING" to be charitable should only have that portion that is charity allowed tax exempt - and not the whole thing (including churches). easier to just treat them the same as any other type of endeavor

I would like to eliminate all forms of business subsidies if possible. They screw with the free market economy so it's actually impossible to say what really is or isn't profitable or healthy when it comes to certain items such as corn and bio-fuel. again, absolutely



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You don't have to be one to answer. I just want answers from the heart. The Christians that you have meet what do you think of them?



Seem to be very good people. Enjoy spending time with them, as well as skydiving with a few of them. I seem to bump into them often her in south Texas.

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i just looked through the list again.



Really? Which one? Because, you know, it's in the Bible three times and they're pretty much never in sync with each other even in the same version of the book.

I also find it interesting that there isn't an agreement on how to number them depending on which version of "Christian" you are (as well as other religions that also number them differently).
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You don't have to be one to answer. I just want answers from the heart. The Christians that you have meet what do you think of them?



Christians are wonderful people. Catholics? Ya have to wonder about someone who continues to support an organization that supports through cover up, child molestation.
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I mostly view them with the unaided eye, but sometimes with binoculars. And occasionally I'll view small parts of them with a microscope. There are probably some more interesting ways to view them, but I don't have access to that equipment.



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You don't have to be one to answer. I just want answers from the heart. The Christians that you have meet what do you think of them?



I'd venture that about 80% of the people I know, and have known, are Christian, which roughly corresponds to the percentage of the US population that is Christian. As far as I know, all of my relatives are Christian.

What do I think of them? They're OK, I guess.

(P.S. - If you think I interpreted your question too broadly, maybe you should refine your question to more specifically identify the group you're referring to.)

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You don't have to be one to answer. I just want answers from the heart. The Christians that you have meet what do you think of them?



Christians are wonderful people. Catholics? Ya have to wonder about someone who continues to support an organization that supports through cover up, child molestation.



I agree with you regarding the official Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. But not with regard to "Catholics" generally. Equating the Cathlic Church's hierarchy with ordinary "Catholics" is like equating fatwa-issuing mullahs in Iran with ordinary "Muslims" : both are probably unfair over-generalizations.

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You don't have to be one to answer. I just want answers from the heart. The Christians that you have meet what do you think of them?



Christians are wonderful people. Catholics? Ya have to wonder about someone who continues to support an organization that supports through cover up, child molestation.



I agree with you regarding the official Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. But not with regard to "Catholics" generally. Equating the Cathlic Church's hierarchy with ordinary "Catholics" is like equating fatwa-issuing mullahs in Iran with ordinary "Muslims" : both are probably unfair over-generalizations.



You are right. I'm being completely unfair to those who are unaware of this Vatican policy. How strange is it that a catholic priest, who recently was caught having an "affair" with an adult female, was excommunicated?
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You don't have to be one to answer. I just want answers from the heart. The Christians that you have meet what do you think of them?



Christians are wonderful people. Catholics? Ya have to wonder about someone who continues to support an organization that supports through cover up, child molestation.



I agree with you regarding the official Hierarchy of the Catholic Church. But not with regard to "Catholics" generally. Equating the Cathlic Church's hierarchy with ordinary "Catholics" is like equating fatwa-issuing mullahs in Iran with ordinary "Muslims" : both are probably unfair over-generalizations.



You are right. I'm being completely unfair to those who are unaware of this Vatican policy. How strange is it that a catholic priest, who recently was caught having an "affair" with an adult female, was excommunicated?



We may be talking past each other. I'm not saying that most ordinary Catholics are ignorant of the Hierarchy's inexusable failures and complicity in the child abuse cases. Most ordinary Catholics I know (and I know a lot) are very angry about it, so painting them with the same broad brush that paints the complicit clergy is unfair.

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