Maybe he should have waited until Obamacare...

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...so that greedy doc doesn't amputate his whole hand or something.

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The healthcare reform debate just reached a new level of vitriol, with a pro-reform protester biting off the fingertip of a counter-demonstrator in a fistfight between the two men, according to police in California.

Does that make the biter a 'rabid liberal'?

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Did you see how many comments on that defended the guy who bit the geezer's finger off? And attacked the geezer - he got was he deserved kinda things...

The picture is interesting. It shows 3 fogeys and one younger guy in black - the younger guy therefore must have walked over to confront them. The old guy said he threw the first punch - sounds like honesty. Said he felt he needed to defend himself. That is up for debate.

But to openly support a guy who bit off part of a finger? This is sickening.

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Hard to know what is truth and what is fiction here, however in one story I heard last night the guy that got his finger bitten threw a punch and his finger ended up in the mouth of the guy that bit him.

Ok, so I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, during a street fight pretty much anything goes and if a finger ends up in your mouth . . . yeah . . . you bite it. Maybe not off, but that might just be a matter of degrees and the bad luck of where the joint is.

To me, the most hilarious thing is the guy that was protesting and got his finger bitten . . . he's ALREADY ON a national healthcare plan. Appears not to have a clue as to what he was protesting.

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he's ALREADY ON a national healthcare plan. Appears not to have a clue as to what he was protesting.

Or perhaps he is more knowledgable than someone who isn't already on a national healthcare plan. I'm on a national healthcare plan as well being a veteran and I am against Obama's plan.

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To me, the most hilarious thing is the guy that was protesting and got his finger bitten . . . he's ALREADY ON a national healthcare plan. Appears not to have a clue as to what he was protesting.

I don't know about that. Just because one benefits from taxes subsidizing one's disproportionate use of medical services doesn't mean that they want others to similarly benefit, thus cutting into their pie.

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I wonder how many people want to cut back government by cutting services that benefit them, rather than someone else?

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>I wonder how many people want to cut back government by cutting
>services that benefit them, rather than someone else?

Close to zero, in my experience. You can talk to the most fervent tax-cutter and discover the programs (veteran's hospitals, military funding, roads) that they support and want funding for.

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Yeah. He might get this doc too. Doesn't know right from left. http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_kidney03.46a9e43.html

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he's ALREADY ON a national healthcare plan. Appears not to have a clue as to what he was protesting.

Or perhaps he is more knowledgable than someone who isn't already on a national healthcare plan. I'm on a national healthcare plan as well being a veteran and I am against Obama's plan.

So you're all set and happy with your coverage, and the rest of us can piss off. I got mine, you all can go to hell. Gee, thanks...

Greed and selfishness, and a complete disdain for those not as fortunate. That is exacly why this country is AFU.

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First of all I earned that through 8 years of service to my country. You can to.

Secondly, I don't use it nor will I ever because I have had too many medical professionals warn me against going to the VA due to healthcare there being a nightmare.

Thirdly, what makes you think Obama's nationalk healthcare plan will be any better than the VA?

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Thirdly, what makes you think Obama's nationalk healthcare plan will be any better than the VA?

Something to consider is that the VA is better than what's available to a whole lot of people in America.

What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

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What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

And by some, you mean upwards of 46 million.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

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What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

And by some, you mean upwards of 46 million.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

Ah, yes...that 'old, familiar lie'....

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What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

And by some, you mean upwards of 46 million.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

Ah, yes...that 'old, familiar lie'....

Uh, why do I have the feeling you didn't click the link?

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What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

And by some, you mean upwards of 46 million.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

Ah, yes...that 'old, familiar lie'....

Uh, why do I have the feeling you didn't click the link?

While your link is better than his claim, it's still overstating the issue.

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What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

And by some, you mean upwards of 46 million.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

Ah, yes...that 'old, familiar lie'....

Uh, why do I have the feeling you didn't click the link?

While your link is better than his claim, it's still overstating the issue.

It's within the margin of error on anything like that. Come on.

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What's sub-standard for many of us is an big improvement for some folks.

And by some, you mean upwards of 46 million.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/18/barack-obama/number-those-without-health-insurance-about-46-mil/

Ah, yes...that 'old, familiar lie'....

Uh, why do I have the feeling you didn't click the link?

While your link is better than his claim, it's still overstating the issue.

It's within the margin of error on anything like that. Come on.

Um...no - more like a third of Obama's number.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024280.php

There's LOTS of other links out there debunking it.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Veterans have earned their government healthcare. I pay for Medicare every month...when I retire I have earned my right to Medicare coverage.

Obamacare is asking me (and other taxpayers) to also pay for healthcare for others....completely different situation. "Others" will likely include illegal immigrants (current House Bill does not prevent it).

There are plenty of other reasons to object to Obamacare...almost too many to count.

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I wonder how many people want to cut back government by cutting services that benefit them, rather than someone else?

Really; that's like biting off your finger to spite your hand.

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Greed and selfishness, and a complete disdain for those not as fortunate. That is exacly why this country is AFU.

Fortunate? Anybody can join the military and EARN the benefits he's got.

Capice?

Anybody. But they won't. They want it given to them.

Complete disdain? My fucking ass. Fuck you for equating Joe Schmo who has no coverage to guy who gave years of his life for the benefit.

I guess he evil for actually earning something. As opposed to the holy goodness of the person who has done nothing to assist himself and is fresh outta ideas.

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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/08/024280.php

Read both links. Thank you for posting yours. I agree with it. Been there, done that, with every step of it (both personally and with past and current patients).

Where I work we accept patients with no insurance, then help them apply and qualify for Medi-Cal (California's version of Medicaid). It doesn't pay much, but we accept it as payment in full. Even a few illegals, that have catastrophic injuries, qualify.

There is a hole in the system, though, and we need to educate those individuals how to step up and help themselves. If they -can- work, then they should. Then the system should reward them with insurance (personal, not government). For those who -cannot- work, due to injury or mental illness, there is already a system to cover that in place. And we pay for it in taxes already.

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Addendum: I've been injured, on disability, and unemployed before. Each time I've portioned my resources to pay for medical insurance. Might be less food on the table, but my health care was covered.

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Anybody can join the military and EARN the benefits he's got.

People can be rejected from military service for a number of reasons, some of which they have no control over whatsoever.

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Anybody can join the military and EARN the benefits he's got.

People can be rejected from military service for a number of reasons, some of which they have no control over whatsoever.

Good point. I'll rephrase: "Most anybody can join the military and EARN the benefits he's got."

Hey, I was in the military. I got out before fully vesting my benefits. Thus, I'm stuck with private options. My choice.

Ha. It's funny that he'd be so dense as to join the military and work for certain benefits when those same benefits would come to people who didn't do the work for it.

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First of all I earned that through 8 years of service to my country. You can to.

Secondly, I don't use it nor will I ever because I have had too many medical professionals warn me against going to the VA due to healthcare there being a nightmare.

That's sorta what I had heard, but the guy who works for me always goes to the VA (in Palo Alto), even though he has what would be considered very good medical coverage through our employer. I, on the other hand, have been using Stanford Hospital/Clinics services, and am looking for somewhere that does a better job, at a lower cost (yes, I am so cheap that I look for more competitive rates even when I don't pay for the services directly, and question every inflated charge).

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Close to zero, in my experience. You can talk to the most fervent tax-cutter and discover the programs (veteran's hospitals, military funding, roads) that they support and want funding for.

Or tax-deductible status for their church - almost 100% of them.

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