funjumper101 15 #101 September 10, 2009 Quote No... more like Obama. You remember right? "The police acted stupidly." {/reply] The Cambridge Police officer acted stupidly by arresting a man in his own house. Once it was established that Gates was home, it was time for the PO to leave. No if, ands, or buts. Righy shitheads may think otherwise. Obama called that one DEAD ON. Cambridge cops were assholes 30 years ago when I hung out in Harvard Square. Their culture hasn't changed at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,030 #102 September 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Well let me first say the final question looks suspiciously like a plant. What was wrong with the kid who had the mic being the actual final question? Nope wrong kid had the mic. So you don't have any actual INFORMATION to support of your opinion. Just a prejudiced guess. Kinda like rushmc's posts. No... more like Obama. You remember right? "The police acted stupidly." Seriously tho.... is proclaiming "YOU CAN'T PROVE IT" all you got? So I was right, you are making a pure unadulterated GUESS based on your own prejudices, with absolutely no information whatsoever to support it. You have nada, zilch, zip... to support your accusation (even less, in fact, than the "truthers" have ). It's not my job to prove your silly prejudiced guess wrong, it's your job to confirm it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #103 September 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is a symptom of how sharply divided we are right now in general. I mean, at every opportunity people throw out the labels as a standard part of every insult, as part of every objection, even just in passing comments. Look at this fiasco over the Obama presentation. All he is looking to do is throw his weight and influence behind the idea that kids should get the best education they can; and people turn it into a partisan issue. They are more concerned with image and superficial BS than fundamental principles and the common good. 'Yes, it's good to stay in school and get an education, but we don't want them to hear it from a Democrat.' What kind of lame BS is that? So now we have to engrain partisan politics into elementary students because when they are ready to see the speech some certain group of kids will be getting up and leaving the room. Nice fucking result. And I'm guessing there will be some truly ignorant parents on both ends who will have something to say to their kids about the kids who did not do the same as their's. Truly pathetic. Instead of emphasizing education, we are emphasizing the importance of partisan politics. I'm more worried about the legacy we are building for our kids than the miscreant behaviors of professional politicians - who are pretty much lost causes already. I think the best thing that could happen to the average politician would be to have a near death experience that results in some sort of epiphany that causes them to stop behaving like the narrow-minded self-serving assholes that they are and start behaving as if the public interest was their real job. It's not as pathetic or paranoid as you or others may think. There was genuine and reasonable concern Obama was going to make the school speech political. Well the speech certainly wasn't but he sure couldn't pass up the opportunity to make his national healthcare sales pitch to a bunch of freshman. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-in-Discussion-with-9th-Graders-Wakefield-High-School/ Credit to 1969912 for finding the link. How would YOU have answered the kid's question? Told the kid he was out of line for asking that question? Maybe they could have Barney "What planet are you living on" Frank answer the student.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #104 September 11, 2009 QuoteI'm curious if all the people opposed to any form of public healthcare would be willing to sign a contract to never use it. Do I get back all the money I've already paid into it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #105 September 11, 2009 QuoteWell let me first say the final question looks suspiciously like a plant. What was wrong with the kid who had the mic being the actual final question? Nope wrong kid had the mic. Like the planted questions during his 'online town hall' last year? Why change what works, if he can get away with it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #106 September 11, 2009 QuoteI'm curious if all the people opposed to any form of public healthcare would be willing to sign a contract to never use it. Evidence that there are objectors to social medicine who accept and use it can be found with anyone, esp seniors who receive Medicare, Medicaid, SS checks, etc. There are millions of these people who denounce social medical aid in one form or many receive that same social care. Socialism is basically collectivism and redistribution, so their SS checks, Medicare, Medicaid, etc are forms of that. Of course they claim they paid into it so they are due these services. That may be true, but they are still socialists is denial for not turning it away; one of my favorite arguments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #107 September 11, 2009 Then are company pension plans socialist, as well? You have the same situation with people paying into them and then getting benefits at a later date.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funjumper101 15 #108 September 11, 2009 Quote Maybe they could have Barney "What planet are you living on" Frank answer the student. I take it that you heard the reply from Barney Frank, but not the original question. Barney's response to the moron's question was completely rational. If you ask a US Rep an idiotic question, one should expect an accurate and sarcastic answer. Wilson's outbust was not rational in any way. It has been very helpful in exposing the reality of what the REscums have become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #109 September 11, 2009 Much of the argument to me seems to be over legality vs. reality. Legally, it's clear that there is no language in any bill that says illegal immigrants have a right to any US government provided healthcare. Therefore, Obama is not a liar. Reality say that there will be some illegal immigrants that find a way to skirt the rules and still get healthcare. I believe there will be, just as there are illegal immigrants who drive here illegally, do not pay taxes, use our "socialist" school system for their children, etc, etc. Of course, it's going to be much harder for them to use the healthcare system, considering that doctors and hospitals will probably want an insurance card, private insurance or public. Maybe there will be new demand for stolen government healthcare cards. But it's a lame argument, IMO. Obama is not a liar - he works with the law, and he's only as effective as the police can enforce the law. His legal definition states that illegal immigrants won't get public health, and that is that. As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,030 #110 September 11, 2009 Quote As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest. Drinking FIRST, it makes the mud wrestling more entertaining.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #111 September 11, 2009 QuoteQuote No... more like Obama. You remember right? "The police acted stupidly." {/reply] The Cambridge Police officer acted stupidly by arresting a man in his own house. Once it was established that Gates was home, it was time for the PO to leave. No if, ands, or buts. Righy shitheads may think otherwise. Obama called that one DEAD ON. Cambridge cops were assholes 30 years ago when I hung out in Harvard Square. Their culture hasn't changed at all. What ever happened there, Obama was a dick headed moron with his comments to this case, which by the way, the policeman was totally correct in how he handled it and the arrest made."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #112 September 11, 2009 Keith Olberman kicked the shit out of him on the Countdown last night in his special comments. His comments can be found on the Countdown website. The real problem with the Republican Party is that the party of Real Statesmen like the late Everitt Dirksen, Charley Halleck and Barry Goldwater has been hijacked by these ultra right wing nutjobs like Wilson etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #113 September 11, 2009 QuoteI suppose we should thank Congressman Joe Wilson for exposing the depravity the Republican Partei is willing to sink to. In all my life, I have NEVER heard a member of Congress call the President of the United States a liar during a joint session of Congress. Not to Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon (who was a liear...), Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton (another real life liar), or Bush II. None of them. No Democrat, no Republican, ever displayed such a vile or venomous display to an elected President. But this is what the Republicans - a party of liars - are willing to sink to. A party so obsessed with power and so enraged at the loss of power because the electorate finally got wise to them, that their number 1 mission is to wreck any administration but their own. But then there's nothing new about this either, it's only been a few years since Vice President cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy to "fuck off" on the floor of the US Senate. The Republicans seem to need to have their mouths publicly washed out with a bar of Ivory Soap. They are a disgusting and foul mouthed gaggle, unworthy of any public forum until they can learn some manners. In the meantime, I think speaker Pelosi might have the option of expelling Congressman Jones for his behavior - Congress DOES have the right to make and enforce its own rules. Jones hould be thrown out the door on his ass. Seriously? Sure it is a case when you want to say "pot meet kettle" but it is crazy to think the democrats are so truthful. I personally think Obama is lying straight to the American people. Actually I know he is but so are all the other politicians on both sides of the isle. They can lie all they want as long as it does not impact my life! Clinton screwing around and lying about it is something I do not give a rats ass about but Obama's lies directly impact me and my children as did some of the lies Bush told! I love that you call the GOP the "party of liars" like the dems are such good people. I'm sorry but this is just laughable!!!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #114 September 11, 2009 QuoteMuch of the argument to me seems to be over legality vs. reality. Legally, it's clear that there is no language in any bill that says illegal immigrants have a right to any US government provided healthcare. Therefore, Obama is not a liar. Reality say that there will be some illegal immigrants that find a way to skirt the rules and still get healthcare. I believe there will be, just as there are illegal immigrants who drive here illegally, do not pay taxes, use our "socialist" school system for their children, etc, etc. Of course, it's going to be much harder for them to use the healthcare system, considering that doctors and hospitals will probably want an insurance card, private insurance or public. Maybe there will be new demand for stolen government healthcare cards. But it's a lame argument, IMO. Obama is not a liar - he works with the law, and he's only as effective as the police can enforce the law. His legal definition states that illegal immigrants won't get public health, and that is that. As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest. Why did the Dems shoot dow the specific wording to exclude illegals getting healthcare if they did not want the "loopholes" to be taken advantage of?Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,460 #115 September 11, 2009 I don't know what the specific wording was. But if it required ensuring that no illegal alien received any care from any American medical facility without paying, that would seriously impact our emergency services' ability to respond. As you're laying in the street, hit by a car, then you have to produce your passport. Dunno if that was it, but it's the legal end result of saying "no care, nohow, noway, for illegals." Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #116 September 11, 2009 Yes there are Real Pragmatic and Practical Republicans like Olympia Snowe ,Susan Collins and Ilianna-Ross Leyton and you can probably throw Arlen Spector in that mix but he switched over to the Denmocrats to get away from these nutjobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #117 September 11, 2009 QuoteI don't know what the specific wording was. But if it required ensuring that no illegal alien received any care from any American medical facility without paying, that would seriously impact our emergency services' ability to respond. As you're laying in the street, hit by a car, then you have to produce your passport. Dunno if that was it, but it's the legal end result of saying "no care, nohow, noway, for illegals." Wendy P. Wendy.... point taken but from what I understand (could be wrong) nothing would change with the current system in that a hospital or medical establishment could not refuse care.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #118 September 11, 2009 QuoteKeith Olberman kicked the shit out of him on the Countdown last night in his special comments. His comments can be found on the Countdown website. The real problem with the Republican Party is that the party of Real Statesmen like the late Everitt Dirksen, Charley Halleck and Barry Goldwater has been hijacked by these ultra right wing nutjobs like Wilson etc. EXACTLY! I hate to even use the labels "liberal" and "conservative" these days, because the "conservatism" of the Dubya administration is completely opposite of that of Goldwater."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #119 September 11, 2009 The Precise wording is in Sec246 of the bill Its cleary states that it doesn't cover illegals in any way shape or form and its in CAPITAL LETTERS for the benefit of the factually challenged like Congressman Wilson. One thing the President said in his speech has been twisted by one in the media namely Sean Hannity was the line "Now insurance executives don't do this because they are bad people, they do it because it's profitable" Hannity on his show said that Obama called insurance executives Bad People. If that's not a lie than Hannity scored 100% on the stupidity meter like Congressman Wilson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #120 September 11, 2009 QuoteThe Precise wording is in Sec246 of the bill Its cleary states that it doesn't cover illegals in any way shape or form and its in CAPITAL LETTERS for the benefit of the factually challenged like Congressman Wilson. Show me where the word "coverage" is, in section 246. I'm pretty sure that "Federal payments" and "affordability credits" don't equal "insurance coverage".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,460 #121 September 11, 2009 Should we also be denying illegal aliens the ability to buy car insurance because they're illegal? Of course, that means that when we get into an accident with one, we're the ones who pay, rather than them. Personally, I think that requiring everyone to pay for insurance is better. Really. It's a separate problem from illegal aliens -- if someone is illegal and buys something should they get to keep it? Right now there are companies that simply don't pay their day laborers, knowing that because most of them are illegal, there wno't be any repercussions. Does the fact that illegals are victimized make it OK? Note: This is not to say that I think that it's just fine for illegal aliens to be here. I don't. But not to require the same duties of them means that they will have fewer expenses than law-abiding citizens. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,030 #122 September 11, 2009 The twisting, spinning and outright lying by your side in order to criticize on this issue shows that you really don't have a case.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #123 September 11, 2009 QuoteShould we also be denying illegal aliens the ability to buy car insurance because they're illegal? Of course, that means that when we get into an accident with one, we're the ones who pay, rather than them. Personally, I think that requiring everyone to pay for insurance is better. Really. It's a separate problem from illegal aliens -- if someone is illegal and buys something should they get to keep it? Right now there are companies that simply don't pay their day laborers, knowing that because most of them are illegal, there wno't be any repercussions. Does the fact that illegals are victimized make it OK? Note: This is not to say that I think that it's just fine for illegal aliens to be here. I don't. But not to require the same duties of them means that they will have fewer expenses than law-abiding citizens. Wendy P. Yet another good point Wendy.... this is why I am torn! I do not think they should be allowed to stay or that it is okay they are here illegally but at what point does it begin to hurt us more? The system is messed up and unless we can just get them all out (not even possible) I'm not sure what to do in this case.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #124 September 11, 2009 It's in Capital Letters in the title NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. it doesn't say anything about coverage but is implied in the title. The real reason Congressman Wilson Shouted out was that in the back of his head he was probably thinking of the $435,296 in Campaign Contributions his PAC received from the Medical Insurance Lobby. I'm sure he doesn't want to loose this gravy train. How many times did GW lie in speeches to Congress about Iraq, Al Queda, WMD's etc and not one Democrat shouted at him and called him a liar. Congressman Wilson embarrased his state, his district and his party and was just STUPID. Regardless of your politics, the Office of the President of the United States commands respect and Congressman Wilson has none and showed none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #125 September 11, 2009 QuoteThe twisting, spinning and outright lying by your side in order to criticize on this issue shows that you really don't have a case. What's the matter, John - can't find a way to twist 'subsidy' into 'coverage', so you have to play the player instead of the ball?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 5 of 18 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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kallend 2,030 #102 September 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Well let me first say the final question looks suspiciously like a plant. What was wrong with the kid who had the mic being the actual final question? Nope wrong kid had the mic. So you don't have any actual INFORMATION to support of your opinion. Just a prejudiced guess. Kinda like rushmc's posts. No... more like Obama. You remember right? "The police acted stupidly." Seriously tho.... is proclaiming "YOU CAN'T PROVE IT" all you got? So I was right, you are making a pure unadulterated GUESS based on your own prejudices, with absolutely no information whatsoever to support it. You have nada, zilch, zip... to support your accusation (even less, in fact, than the "truthers" have ). It's not my job to prove your silly prejudiced guess wrong, it's your job to confirm it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #103 September 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is a symptom of how sharply divided we are right now in general. I mean, at every opportunity people throw out the labels as a standard part of every insult, as part of every objection, even just in passing comments. Look at this fiasco over the Obama presentation. All he is looking to do is throw his weight and influence behind the idea that kids should get the best education they can; and people turn it into a partisan issue. They are more concerned with image and superficial BS than fundamental principles and the common good. 'Yes, it's good to stay in school and get an education, but we don't want them to hear it from a Democrat.' What kind of lame BS is that? So now we have to engrain partisan politics into elementary students because when they are ready to see the speech some certain group of kids will be getting up and leaving the room. Nice fucking result. And I'm guessing there will be some truly ignorant parents on both ends who will have something to say to their kids about the kids who did not do the same as their's. Truly pathetic. Instead of emphasizing education, we are emphasizing the importance of partisan politics. I'm more worried about the legacy we are building for our kids than the miscreant behaviors of professional politicians - who are pretty much lost causes already. I think the best thing that could happen to the average politician would be to have a near death experience that results in some sort of epiphany that causes them to stop behaving like the narrow-minded self-serving assholes that they are and start behaving as if the public interest was their real job. It's not as pathetic or paranoid as you or others may think. There was genuine and reasonable concern Obama was going to make the school speech political. Well the speech certainly wasn't but he sure couldn't pass up the opportunity to make his national healthcare sales pitch to a bunch of freshman. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-in-Discussion-with-9th-Graders-Wakefield-High-School/ Credit to 1969912 for finding the link. How would YOU have answered the kid's question? Told the kid he was out of line for asking that question? Maybe they could have Barney "What planet are you living on" Frank answer the student.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #104 September 11, 2009 QuoteI'm curious if all the people opposed to any form of public healthcare would be willing to sign a contract to never use it. Do I get back all the money I've already paid into it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #105 September 11, 2009 QuoteWell let me first say the final question looks suspiciously like a plant. What was wrong with the kid who had the mic being the actual final question? Nope wrong kid had the mic. Like the planted questions during his 'online town hall' last year? Why change what works, if he can get away with it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #106 September 11, 2009 QuoteI'm curious if all the people opposed to any form of public healthcare would be willing to sign a contract to never use it. Evidence that there are objectors to social medicine who accept and use it can be found with anyone, esp seniors who receive Medicare, Medicaid, SS checks, etc. There are millions of these people who denounce social medical aid in one form or many receive that same social care. Socialism is basically collectivism and redistribution, so their SS checks, Medicare, Medicaid, etc are forms of that. Of course they claim they paid into it so they are due these services. That may be true, but they are still socialists is denial for not turning it away; one of my favorite arguments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #107 September 11, 2009 Then are company pension plans socialist, as well? You have the same situation with people paying into them and then getting benefits at a later date.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #108 September 11, 2009 Quote Maybe they could have Barney "What planet are you living on" Frank answer the student. I take it that you heard the reply from Barney Frank, but not the original question. Barney's response to the moron's question was completely rational. If you ask a US Rep an idiotic question, one should expect an accurate and sarcastic answer. Wilson's outbust was not rational in any way. It has been very helpful in exposing the reality of what the REscums have become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #109 September 11, 2009 Much of the argument to me seems to be over legality vs. reality. Legally, it's clear that there is no language in any bill that says illegal immigrants have a right to any US government provided healthcare. Therefore, Obama is not a liar. Reality say that there will be some illegal immigrants that find a way to skirt the rules and still get healthcare. I believe there will be, just as there are illegal immigrants who drive here illegally, do not pay taxes, use our "socialist" school system for their children, etc, etc. Of course, it's going to be much harder for them to use the healthcare system, considering that doctors and hospitals will probably want an insurance card, private insurance or public. Maybe there will be new demand for stolen government healthcare cards. But it's a lame argument, IMO. Obama is not a liar - he works with the law, and he's only as effective as the police can enforce the law. His legal definition states that illegal immigrants won't get public health, and that is that. As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #110 September 11, 2009 Quote As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest. Drinking FIRST, it makes the mud wrestling more entertaining.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #111 September 11, 2009 QuoteQuote No... more like Obama. You remember right? "The police acted stupidly." {/reply] The Cambridge Police officer acted stupidly by arresting a man in his own house. Once it was established that Gates was home, it was time for the PO to leave. No if, ands, or buts. Righy shitheads may think otherwise. Obama called that one DEAD ON. Cambridge cops were assholes 30 years ago when I hung out in Harvard Square. Their culture hasn't changed at all. What ever happened there, Obama was a dick headed moron with his comments to this case, which by the way, the policeman was totally correct in how he handled it and the arrest made."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #112 September 11, 2009 Keith Olberman kicked the shit out of him on the Countdown last night in his special comments. His comments can be found on the Countdown website. The real problem with the Republican Party is that the party of Real Statesmen like the late Everitt Dirksen, Charley Halleck and Barry Goldwater has been hijacked by these ultra right wing nutjobs like Wilson etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #113 September 11, 2009 QuoteI suppose we should thank Congressman Joe Wilson for exposing the depravity the Republican Partei is willing to sink to. In all my life, I have NEVER heard a member of Congress call the President of the United States a liar during a joint session of Congress. Not to Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon (who was a liear...), Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton (another real life liar), or Bush II. None of them. No Democrat, no Republican, ever displayed such a vile or venomous display to an elected President. But this is what the Republicans - a party of liars - are willing to sink to. A party so obsessed with power and so enraged at the loss of power because the electorate finally got wise to them, that their number 1 mission is to wreck any administration but their own. But then there's nothing new about this either, it's only been a few years since Vice President cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy to "fuck off" on the floor of the US Senate. The Republicans seem to need to have their mouths publicly washed out with a bar of Ivory Soap. They are a disgusting and foul mouthed gaggle, unworthy of any public forum until they can learn some manners. In the meantime, I think speaker Pelosi might have the option of expelling Congressman Jones for his behavior - Congress DOES have the right to make and enforce its own rules. Jones hould be thrown out the door on his ass. Seriously? Sure it is a case when you want to say "pot meet kettle" but it is crazy to think the democrats are so truthful. I personally think Obama is lying straight to the American people. Actually I know he is but so are all the other politicians on both sides of the isle. They can lie all they want as long as it does not impact my life! Clinton screwing around and lying about it is something I do not give a rats ass about but Obama's lies directly impact me and my children as did some of the lies Bush told! I love that you call the GOP the "party of liars" like the dems are such good people. I'm sorry but this is just laughable!!!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #114 September 11, 2009 QuoteMuch of the argument to me seems to be over legality vs. reality. Legally, it's clear that there is no language in any bill that says illegal immigrants have a right to any US government provided healthcare. Therefore, Obama is not a liar. Reality say that there will be some illegal immigrants that find a way to skirt the rules and still get healthcare. I believe there will be, just as there are illegal immigrants who drive here illegally, do not pay taxes, use our "socialist" school system for their children, etc, etc. Of course, it's going to be much harder for them to use the healthcare system, considering that doctors and hospitals will probably want an insurance card, private insurance or public. Maybe there will be new demand for stolen government healthcare cards. But it's a lame argument, IMO. Obama is not a liar - he works with the law, and he's only as effective as the police can enforce the law. His legal definition states that illegal immigrants won't get public health, and that is that. As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest. Why did the Dems shoot dow the specific wording to exclude illegals getting healthcare if they did not want the "loopholes" to be taken advantage of?Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,460 #115 September 11, 2009 I don't know what the specific wording was. But if it required ensuring that no illegal alien received any care from any American medical facility without paying, that would seriously impact our emergency services' ability to respond. As you're laying in the street, hit by a car, then you have to produce your passport. Dunno if that was it, but it's the legal end result of saying "no care, nohow, noway, for illegals." Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #116 September 11, 2009 Yes there are Real Pragmatic and Practical Republicans like Olympia Snowe ,Susan Collins and Ilianna-Ross Leyton and you can probably throw Arlen Spector in that mix but he switched over to the Denmocrats to get away from these nutjobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #117 September 11, 2009 QuoteI don't know what the specific wording was. But if it required ensuring that no illegal alien received any care from any American medical facility without paying, that would seriously impact our emergency services' ability to respond. As you're laying in the street, hit by a car, then you have to produce your passport. Dunno if that was it, but it's the legal end result of saying "no care, nohow, noway, for illegals." Wendy P. Wendy.... point taken but from what I understand (could be wrong) nothing would change with the current system in that a hospital or medical establishment could not refuse care.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #118 September 11, 2009 QuoteKeith Olberman kicked the shit out of him on the Countdown last night in his special comments. His comments can be found on the Countdown website. The real problem with the Republican Party is that the party of Real Statesmen like the late Everitt Dirksen, Charley Halleck and Barry Goldwater has been hijacked by these ultra right wing nutjobs like Wilson etc. EXACTLY! I hate to even use the labels "liberal" and "conservative" these days, because the "conservatism" of the Dubya administration is completely opposite of that of Goldwater."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #119 September 11, 2009 The Precise wording is in Sec246 of the bill Its cleary states that it doesn't cover illegals in any way shape or form and its in CAPITAL LETTERS for the benefit of the factually challenged like Congressman Wilson. One thing the President said in his speech has been twisted by one in the media namely Sean Hannity was the line "Now insurance executives don't do this because they are bad people, they do it because it's profitable" Hannity on his show said that Obama called insurance executives Bad People. If that's not a lie than Hannity scored 100% on the stupidity meter like Congressman Wilson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #120 September 11, 2009 QuoteThe Precise wording is in Sec246 of the bill Its cleary states that it doesn't cover illegals in any way shape or form and its in CAPITAL LETTERS for the benefit of the factually challenged like Congressman Wilson. Show me where the word "coverage" is, in section 246. I'm pretty sure that "Federal payments" and "affordability credits" don't equal "insurance coverage".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,460 #121 September 11, 2009 Should we also be denying illegal aliens the ability to buy car insurance because they're illegal? Of course, that means that when we get into an accident with one, we're the ones who pay, rather than them. Personally, I think that requiring everyone to pay for insurance is better. Really. It's a separate problem from illegal aliens -- if someone is illegal and buys something should they get to keep it? Right now there are companies that simply don't pay their day laborers, knowing that because most of them are illegal, there wno't be any repercussions. Does the fact that illegals are victimized make it OK? Note: This is not to say that I think that it's just fine for illegal aliens to be here. I don't. But not to require the same duties of them means that they will have fewer expenses than law-abiding citizens. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,030 #122 September 11, 2009 The twisting, spinning and outright lying by your side in order to criticize on this issue shows that you really don't have a case.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #123 September 11, 2009 QuoteShould we also be denying illegal aliens the ability to buy car insurance because they're illegal? Of course, that means that when we get into an accident with one, we're the ones who pay, rather than them. Personally, I think that requiring everyone to pay for insurance is better. Really. It's a separate problem from illegal aliens -- if someone is illegal and buys something should they get to keep it? Right now there are companies that simply don't pay their day laborers, knowing that because most of them are illegal, there wno't be any repercussions. Does the fact that illegals are victimized make it OK? Note: This is not to say that I think that it's just fine for illegal aliens to be here. I don't. But not to require the same duties of them means that they will have fewer expenses than law-abiding citizens. Wendy P. Yet another good point Wendy.... this is why I am torn! I do not think they should be allowed to stay or that it is okay they are here illegally but at what point does it begin to hurt us more? The system is messed up and unless we can just get them all out (not even possible) I'm not sure what to do in this case.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakyrat 1 #124 September 11, 2009 It's in Capital Letters in the title NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. it doesn't say anything about coverage but is implied in the title. The real reason Congressman Wilson Shouted out was that in the back of his head he was probably thinking of the $435,296 in Campaign Contributions his PAC received from the Medical Insurance Lobby. I'm sure he doesn't want to loose this gravy train. How many times did GW lie in speeches to Congress about Iraq, Al Queda, WMD's etc and not one Democrat shouted at him and called him a liar. Congressman Wilson embarrased his state, his district and his party and was just STUPID. Regardless of your politics, the Office of the President of the United States commands respect and Congressman Wilson has none and showed none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #125 September 11, 2009 QuoteThe twisting, spinning and outright lying by your side in order to criticize on this issue shows that you really don't have a case. What's the matter, John - can't find a way to twist 'subsidy' into 'coverage', so you have to play the player instead of the ball?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 5 of 18 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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freakyrat 1 #112 September 11, 2009 Keith Olberman kicked the shit out of him on the Countdown last night in his special comments. His comments can be found on the Countdown website. The real problem with the Republican Party is that the party of Real Statesmen like the late Everitt Dirksen, Charley Halleck and Barry Goldwater has been hijacked by these ultra right wing nutjobs like Wilson etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #113 September 11, 2009 QuoteI suppose we should thank Congressman Joe Wilson for exposing the depravity the Republican Partei is willing to sink to. In all my life, I have NEVER heard a member of Congress call the President of the United States a liar during a joint session of Congress. Not to Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon (who was a liear...), Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton (another real life liar), or Bush II. None of them. No Democrat, no Republican, ever displayed such a vile or venomous display to an elected President. But this is what the Republicans - a party of liars - are willing to sink to. A party so obsessed with power and so enraged at the loss of power because the electorate finally got wise to them, that their number 1 mission is to wreck any administration but their own. But then there's nothing new about this either, it's only been a few years since Vice President cheney told Senator Patrick Leahy to "fuck off" on the floor of the US Senate. The Republicans seem to need to have their mouths publicly washed out with a bar of Ivory Soap. They are a disgusting and foul mouthed gaggle, unworthy of any public forum until they can learn some manners. In the meantime, I think speaker Pelosi might have the option of expelling Congressman Jones for his behavior - Congress DOES have the right to make and enforce its own rules. Jones hould be thrown out the door on his ass. Seriously? Sure it is a case when you want to say "pot meet kettle" but it is crazy to think the democrats are so truthful. I personally think Obama is lying straight to the American people. Actually I know he is but so are all the other politicians on both sides of the isle. They can lie all they want as long as it does not impact my life! Clinton screwing around and lying about it is something I do not give a rats ass about but Obama's lies directly impact me and my children as did some of the lies Bush told! I love that you call the GOP the "party of liars" like the dems are such good people. I'm sorry but this is just laughable!!!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #114 September 11, 2009 QuoteMuch of the argument to me seems to be over legality vs. reality. Legally, it's clear that there is no language in any bill that says illegal immigrants have a right to any US government provided healthcare. Therefore, Obama is not a liar. Reality say that there will be some illegal immigrants that find a way to skirt the rules and still get healthcare. I believe there will be, just as there are illegal immigrants who drive here illegally, do not pay taxes, use our "socialist" school system for their children, etc, etc. Of course, it's going to be much harder for them to use the healthcare system, considering that doctors and hospitals will probably want an insurance card, private insurance or public. Maybe there will be new demand for stolen government healthcare cards. But it's a lame argument, IMO. Obama is not a liar - he works with the law, and he's only as effective as the police can enforce the law. His legal definition states that illegal immigrants won't get public health, and that is that. As far as the congressional outburst - hell, if it's entertaining, then we should have a lot more of it. Maybe people will pay more attention. Next up, naked congressional mud-wrestling, followed by a drinking contest. Why did the Dems shoot dow the specific wording to exclude illegals getting healthcare if they did not want the "loopholes" to be taken advantage of?Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,460 #115 September 11, 2009 I don't know what the specific wording was. But if it required ensuring that no illegal alien received any care from any American medical facility without paying, that would seriously impact our emergency services' ability to respond. As you're laying in the street, hit by a car, then you have to produce your passport. Dunno if that was it, but it's the legal end result of saying "no care, nohow, noway, for illegals." Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #116 September 11, 2009 Yes there are Real Pragmatic and Practical Republicans like Olympia Snowe ,Susan Collins and Ilianna-Ross Leyton and you can probably throw Arlen Spector in that mix but he switched over to the Denmocrats to get away from these nutjobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #117 September 11, 2009 QuoteI don't know what the specific wording was. But if it required ensuring that no illegal alien received any care from any American medical facility without paying, that would seriously impact our emergency services' ability to respond. As you're laying in the street, hit by a car, then you have to produce your passport. Dunno if that was it, but it's the legal end result of saying "no care, nohow, noway, for illegals." Wendy P. Wendy.... point taken but from what I understand (could be wrong) nothing would change with the current system in that a hospital or medical establishment could not refuse care.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #118 September 11, 2009 QuoteKeith Olberman kicked the shit out of him on the Countdown last night in his special comments. His comments can be found on the Countdown website. The real problem with the Republican Party is that the party of Real Statesmen like the late Everitt Dirksen, Charley Halleck and Barry Goldwater has been hijacked by these ultra right wing nutjobs like Wilson etc. EXACTLY! I hate to even use the labels "liberal" and "conservative" these days, because the "conservatism" of the Dubya administration is completely opposite of that of Goldwater."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #119 September 11, 2009 The Precise wording is in Sec246 of the bill Its cleary states that it doesn't cover illegals in any way shape or form and its in CAPITAL LETTERS for the benefit of the factually challenged like Congressman Wilson. One thing the President said in his speech has been twisted by one in the media namely Sean Hannity was the line "Now insurance executives don't do this because they are bad people, they do it because it's profitable" Hannity on his show said that Obama called insurance executives Bad People. If that's not a lie than Hannity scored 100% on the stupidity meter like Congressman Wilson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #120 September 11, 2009 QuoteThe Precise wording is in Sec246 of the bill Its cleary states that it doesn't cover illegals in any way shape or form and its in CAPITAL LETTERS for the benefit of the factually challenged like Congressman Wilson. Show me where the word "coverage" is, in section 246. I'm pretty sure that "Federal payments" and "affordability credits" don't equal "insurance coverage".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,460 #121 September 11, 2009 Should we also be denying illegal aliens the ability to buy car insurance because they're illegal? Of course, that means that when we get into an accident with one, we're the ones who pay, rather than them. Personally, I think that requiring everyone to pay for insurance is better. Really. It's a separate problem from illegal aliens -- if someone is illegal and buys something should they get to keep it? Right now there are companies that simply don't pay their day laborers, knowing that because most of them are illegal, there wno't be any repercussions. Does the fact that illegals are victimized make it OK? Note: This is not to say that I think that it's just fine for illegal aliens to be here. I don't. But not to require the same duties of them means that they will have fewer expenses than law-abiding citizens. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,030 #122 September 11, 2009 The twisting, spinning and outright lying by your side in order to criticize on this issue shows that you really don't have a case.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #123 September 11, 2009 QuoteShould we also be denying illegal aliens the ability to buy car insurance because they're illegal? Of course, that means that when we get into an accident with one, we're the ones who pay, rather than them. Personally, I think that requiring everyone to pay for insurance is better. Really. It's a separate problem from illegal aliens -- if someone is illegal and buys something should they get to keep it? Right now there are companies that simply don't pay their day laborers, knowing that because most of them are illegal, there wno't be any repercussions. Does the fact that illegals are victimized make it OK? Note: This is not to say that I think that it's just fine for illegal aliens to be here. I don't. But not to require the same duties of them means that they will have fewer expenses than law-abiding citizens. Wendy P. Yet another good point Wendy.... this is why I am torn! I do not think they should be allowed to stay or that it is okay they are here illegally but at what point does it begin to hurt us more? The system is messed up and unless we can just get them all out (not even possible) I'm not sure what to do in this case.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #124 September 11, 2009 It's in Capital Letters in the title NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. it doesn't say anything about coverage but is implied in the title. The real reason Congressman Wilson Shouted out was that in the back of his head he was probably thinking of the $435,296 in Campaign Contributions his PAC received from the Medical Insurance Lobby. I'm sure he doesn't want to loose this gravy train. How many times did GW lie in speeches to Congress about Iraq, Al Queda, WMD's etc and not one Democrat shouted at him and called him a liar. Congressman Wilson embarrased his state, his district and his party and was just STUPID. Regardless of your politics, the Office of the President of the United States commands respect and Congressman Wilson has none and showed none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #125 September 11, 2009 QuoteThe twisting, spinning and outright lying by your side in order to criticize on this issue shows that you really don't have a case. What's the matter, John - can't find a way to twist 'subsidy' into 'coverage', so you have to play the player instead of the ball?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
