Who thinks Ron Paul is the bestest?

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I'm mainly doing this survey to help get an idea of the support that this guy has or may have for another try.

This guy is as good as they get IMO. I haven't seen a candidate like him yet, that truly wants liberty and to oust the corruption in our govt, and help return a shred of sovereignty to the states. I'm still dumbfounded how this guy never got the nomination. I guess the Republican party has too much they want to keep their greedy hands on as well.

What really pisses me off too, is that even Fox news won't give this guy the attention he deserves. It amazes me that I've seen more of this guy on CNN and MSNBC than Fox.

Seriously, if you don't know much about this guy, take the time to research him, he's not your typical politician.

I keep hearing the media discussing how the Republican party needs a new leader. Well, does it have to slap us in the face or what!! On the other hand, maybe he'd be better off running as a third party than having the Republican nomination if the GOP wants to continue in their ways.

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I haven't seen a candidate like him yet,...

Ross Perot wasn't that far from him.

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..that truly wants liberty and to oust the corruption in our govt,...

And replace it with millions of homeless as he would slash every social program he could and call it compassionate conservatism.

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...and help return a shred of sovereignty to the states.

Last time some states had sovereignty many performed rogue trials and legalized slavery - decentralized governemtn = corruption.

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I guess the Republican party has too much they want to keep their greedy hands on as well.

The Republican Party and Libertarian Party aren't that much different; look at the origin of most Libertarians.

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What really pisses me off too, is that even Fox news won't give this guy the attention he deserves. It amazes me that I've seen more of this guy on CNN and MSNBC than Fox.

Hmmm, and people say Fox is whiz-bang, whereas CNN / MSNBC are biased, agenda-driven liberal homo-loving, welfare mongers. Maybe time to rethink that.

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Seriously, if you don't know much about this guy, take the time to research him, he's not your typical politician.

He's a Reagan protege, cut taxes for the rich, cut social svs, kill laobor unions and do so in the name of freedom and liberty. Another classist elitist doing what he can to keep the rich, rich.

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I keep hearing the media discussing how the Republican party needs a new leader. Well, does it have to slap us in the face or what!!

When the Republican Party won their first election, they beat the Dems and the Whig Parties. The Republicans represented liberty from oppression that was dealt by the slave-happy Dems and the elitist, rich-loving Whigs. The Republicans were so great they won the presidency for 44 of the next 52 years. But then, as all good things do, they change. After Wilson and WWI brought us the deregulating greedy, elite-loving Repubs. Coolidge and Harding set the stage for Hoover to inherit the Great Depressiona nd he was trained to continue to pander to the elite, until his last year in office when he finally departed his party and raised taxes; you might say he was the MAlcom X who figured it out too late. This was teh changing of the guard when the Republicans became what they defeated: all the compassion of the pre-Civil War Dems and all the elitist greed of the Whig Party. Since then they've had 2 descent representatives: Eisenhower and GWHB.

So when everyone says the Republican Party needs a new face, I think you aren't getting it, this last election was about people being sick of elitist-loving Republicans, what that statement of new face means is that the Republicans need to split the difference and become more compassionate, not more greedy. BTW, compassion toward rich people doesn't count. What the Republcian Party needs is not Perot/Paul, they need a Colin Powell type, a reasonable Republican.

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On the other hand, maybe he'd be better off running as a third party than having the Republican nomination if the GOP wants to continue in their ways.

Either way, run as a Republican and fail to get the nod or run as a Libertarian and get 3% of the popluar vote; all good with me.

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Another classist elitist doing what he can to keep the rich, rich.

If I work my ass off and become rich as a result, why shouldn't I be allowed to relax a bit and remain that way? You seem to be the classist here.

Blues,
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I was really impressed when I saw him on the Bill Mahr show. I started paying attention to him and he made more sence than anyone else out there including the eventual nominees. He seems like a pragmatic middle of the road guy. He didn't sound like a Republican or a Democrat. That's the kind of guy I'd vote for.

He'll have Mike Huckabee to deal with next time. And I'm afraid that he will be shouted down. It looks to me like the evangelicals have hijacked the Republican party just as Al-Quida has hijacked Islam. Radical Fundementalism sucks no matter which side you're talking about.

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I made financial contributions to his campaign. I continue to financially support his PAC. I will continue to donate to his campaigns as long as he's willing to run them.

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I made financial contributions to his campaign. I continue to financially support his PAC. I will continue to donate to his campaigns as long as he's willing to run them.

I made financial contributions to his campain too, but I'll admit I'm getting sick of his PAC calling me to ask for my support for all manner of other politicians, most of whom are running local or state campaigns thousands of miles away from me.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I made financial contributions to his campain too, but I'll admit I'm getting sick of his PAC calling me to ask for my support for all manner of other politicians, most of whom are running local or state campaigns thousands of miles away from me.

Really? They've never called me at all. Have you asked them to stop?

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None of the options apply to me - but I would have voted for him if he had been running.

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I made financial contributions to his campain too, but I'll admit I'm getting sick of his PAC calling me to ask for my support for all manner of other politicians, most of whom are running local or state campaigns thousands of miles away from me.

Really? They've never called me at all. Have you asked them to stop?

Nah...I just started hanging up when I hear "Ron Paul" or "Campaign for Liberty" and I have no pending elections to vote in. I've thought about asking them to remove me from their call list, but pressing the end button seems easier & quicker.

Blues,
Dave

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Ross Perot wasn't that far from him.

Well I was only in 5th grade when Ross Perot ran, so.... I haven't seen a candidate like him yet.

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decentralized governemtn = corruption.

Yeah, because we sure don't have any problems with corruption in Washington.

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The Republican Party and Libertarian Party aren't that much different; look at the origin of most Libertarians.

Well, I think Republicans are just libretarians that just lost their way.

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Hmmm, and people say Fox is whiz-bang, whereas CNN / MSNBC are biased, agenda-driven liberal homo-loving, welfare mongers. Maybe time to rethink that.

They're all biased, anyone to say otherwise would be quite silly. I watch all of them to try and get a complete picture.

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He's a Reagan protege, cut taxes for the rich, cut social svs, kill laobor unions and do so in the name of freedom and liberty. Another classist elitist doing what he can to keep the rich, rich.

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So when everyone says the Republican Party needs a new face, I think you aren't getting it, this last election was about people being sick of elitist-loving Republicans, what that statement of new face means is that the Republicans need to split the difference and become more compassionate, not more greedy. BTW, compassion toward rich people doesn't count. What the Republcian Party needs is not Perot/Paul, they need a Colin Powell type, a reasonable Republican

I don't even know where to begin with this. Your stereotypes make me wanna puke. I could make blanket statements about liberals and say they are all greedy bastards that just want to be subsidized by those that actually earn their money. They are only generous with other people's money. See how that works.

BTW, I'm a die-hard libretarian and even after all the taxes I pay, I donate an additional 15% of my income to charities that I see need it. Not as the govt sees need. See if you libs didn't want to tax me to death and redistribute my money to your agendas, then I'd probably be able to donate an additional 30% of my money to people that truly need it because I'm getting by just fine as of now with what I keep. Do not accuse me of not having compassion. In addition to the money I donate, I spend my time helping repair/remodel homes for those living in run down housing that can't afford to. This is in addition to the full time job I work. I also spend time collecting coats and other clothing/food items that I help distribute in New Orleans to the homeless. I love helping the helpless, but when govt decides to take over that role, than they end up only helping the clueless. I'm not mentioning these things to boast, but when I get accused of supporting a party with no compassion, I get enraged. Also my evil corporation that I work for volunteers our private jets several times a week helping transport low-income cancer patients and rehab patients in the local community all across the country to medical centers. In fact when business usually subsides on the weekends, I spend my weekends at work because were flying patients.

If you took the time to listen to Ron Paul's arguements, you would see that he's not a classist, in fact one of his main goals is to destroy the influence that corporations are having on the Fed and vice versa

In your world, you would rather me subsidize health insurance for even those that spend $1000 a month on skydiving, yet refuse to pay for it themselves, rather than me using that money and helping a struggling single mother living in a mold infested run down house from having her basic needs met of a safe shelter for her family.

Don't even try to tell me that your ideals are not motivated by greed.

Sorry if this came across harsh, or I mischaracterized you.

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None of the options apply to me - but I would have voted for him if he had been running.

Should I have added this for an option..

- I don't think he's the bestest, but I would've voted for him

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If the GOP had a clue, they would have made Ron Paul the leader of their party.
As it is, I keep wondering how much longer he is going to allow himself to be associated with them.

If he had been nominated, I would definitely have voted for him.

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Another classist elitist doing what he can to keep the rich, rich.

If I work my ass off and become rich as a result, why shouldn't I be allowed to relax a bit and remain that way? You seem to be the classist here.

Blues,
Dave

Or if your lazy friend inherits it, or if some Wall Street thugs steals it...... See, the origin doesn't matter, but pandering to the rich while the nation's people are poor, homeless, sick, etc is classist.

Amazing how the people of this nation have no regard for the poor....until they become poor that is.

Dave, it's just the structure of our nation to dislike people in lower economic classes than we are in. Don't worry, people in higher classes than you or I also have contempt for us.

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I was really impressed when I saw him on the Bill Mahr show. I started paying attention to him and he made more sence than anyone else out there including the eventual nominees. He seems like a pragmatic middle of the road guy. He didn't sound like a Republican or a Democrat. That's the kind of guy I'd vote for.

He'll have Mike Huckabee to deal with next time. And I'm afraid that he will be shouted down. It looks to me like the evangelicals have hijacked the Republican party just as Al-Quida has hijacked Islam. Radical Fundementalism sucks no matter which side you're talking about.

Huckabee, Paul....thank you, you just conformed 8 years of Obama. Again, thank you.

And as long as the Republican electorate keeps thinking these guys are neato, that will further affirm Dems win the WH and Congress.

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Another classist elitist doing what he can to keep the rich, rich.

If I work my ass off and become rich as a result, why shouldn't I be allowed to relax a bit and remain that way? You seem to be the classist here.

Blues,
Dave

Or if your lazy friend inherits it, or if some Wall Street thugs steals it...... See, the origin doesn't matter, but pandering to the rich while the nation's people are poor, homeless, sick, etc is classist.

Amazing how the people of this nation have no regard for the poor....until they become poor that is.

Dave, it's just the structure of our nation to dislike people in lower economic classes than we are in. Don't worry, people in higher classes than you or I also have contempt for us.

Taking from the rich to give to the poor is no more or less classist than allowing the rich to thrive on the fruits of the laboring class. Personally, I think that people should be allowed to lie in whatever bed they’ve (legally) made for themselves. I hold no particular contempt for those substantially higher or lower than me on the socioeconomic ladder. The fact that my position today is dramatically different than it was as a child may have some bearing on my indifference.

Blues,
Dave

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Well I was only in 5th grade when Ross Perot ran, so.... I haven't seen a candidate like him yet

Him refering to Perot or Paul? They were much the same, cut taxes, bla, bla, jack the national debt and issue rhetoric of "tax-n-spend liberals". Ya didn't miss much, but he was fun to listen to and had neato graphs.

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Yeah, because we sure don't have any problems with corruption in Washington.

Take your pick, do you want the corruptors in a group under the scrutiny of major media, or disseminated in small towns so they smile at you as they fuck you and say, "whatcha gonna do 'bout it, boy?"

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Well, I think Republicans are just libretarians that just lost their way.

Or backwards. Since Republicans were here first, Libertarians are an offshoot of them. Libertarians usually start life as Republicans, get sick of their BS but aren't willing to go to teh left, even tho they share their ideals of less government intervention as far as privacy and choice, so they offshoot to what they are. SOme of their ideas are great, but tehy just ignire social svs. A country run by Libertarians would look like Mad MAx, another movie before your time

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They're all biased, anyone to say otherwise would be quite silly. I watch all of them to try and get a complete picture.

They are, but as with liberals, we'll talk to anyone whether you want it or not. The Republcans are a club that if you are a memeber, none of what non-members have to say is worthwhile and you won't listen to it. This is why liberal logic/media, etc is more empirical and overall more objective.

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LUCKY: He's a Reagan protege, cut taxes for the rich, cut social svs, kill laobor unions and do so in the name of freedom and liberty. Another classist elitist doing what he can to keep the rich, rich.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul

Paul was the first Republican representative from the area; he also led the Texas Reagan delegation at the national Republican convention

Back at ya.

In the 1988 presidential election, Paul defeated American Indian activist Russell Means to win the Libertarian Party nomination for president.[6] Paul criticized Ronald Reagan as a failure and cited high deficits as exhibit A

And then he defected.

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I don't even know where to begin with this. Your stereotypes make me wanna puke.

1) Feel free to puke, since that was neccessary for you to interject that.

2) Establish my stereotypes and how they're wrong. For example, one stereotype I have is that the Republicans cut taxes for the rich and overspend, the exception being GHWB. Another stereotype is that Libertarian philosophy ignores the poor and all social programs and considers them waste, which would lead to millions of homeless. So please, feel free to puke, but debunk my stereotypes.

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I could make blanket statements about liberals and say they are all greedy bastards that just want to be subsidized by those that actually earn their money. They are only generous with other people's money. See how that works.

I don't have a problem with that, just please, don't be a "stereotypical conservative" and make that claim with honest objecctive support.

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BTW, I'm a die-hard libretarian and even after all the taxes I pay, I donate an additional 15% of my income to charities that I see need it. Not as the govt sees need. See if you libs didn't want to tax me to death and redistribute my money to your agendas, then I'd probably be able to donate an additional 30% of my money to people that truly need it because I'm getting by just fine as of now with what I keep.

And here inlies the problem with Libertarians: they think they know where the need is. Of course I notice no complaint about the Republicans spending you to death, but taht just supports my assertion/theory that Libertarians are disgruntled Republicans.

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Do not accuse me of not having compassion.

Don't take it personally, unless you fit the...."stereotype."

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In addition to the money I donate, I spend my time helping repair/remodel homes for those living in run down housing that can't afford to. This is in addition to the full time job I work. I also spend time collecting coats and other clothing/food items that I help distribute in New Orleans to the homeless. I love helping the helpless, but when govt decides to take over that role, than they end up only helping the clueless.

Sincerely, if you do these, kudos. So when do help at the hospital doing surgeries for peopel with difficult ilnesses? Oh, you can't, we better collect taxes for that then.

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I'm not mentioning these things to boast, but when I get accused of supporting a party with no compassion, I get enraged.

Exactly, what I said in a previous post about the Republican Party getting mad, not listening, etc...well, it come sout here. The RW and Libertarians don't have to take that shit and they won't, liberals are stupid and you ahve to yell and interupt to getthem to listen. In fact, when they say things you don't like, jump up and shout, "YOU LIE." Then when your get reprimansed dismiss it as a double standard.....that's how you get your point accross to them GD libs; doesn't hurt to slam your hand on the table either.

BTW, hope ya got the obviuous sarcasm. Ruffling the hair on the back of your neck won't make me do anything but laugh, I respond to intellectual discourse with issues, I'm one of those silly liberals.

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Also my evil corporation that I work for volunteers our private jets several times a week helping transport low-income cancer patients and rehab patients in the local community all across the country to medical centers. In fact when business usually subsides on the weekends, I spend my weekends at work because were flying patients.

That's great, so when they feel like doanting their resource for a noce tax write-off they do, awesome. So let's make the system more objective and available and have this pool of money from which we draw so everyone gets help.

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If you took the time to listen to Ron Paul's arguements, you would see that he's not a classist, in fact one of his main goals is to destroy the influence that corporations are having on the Fed and vice versa

Perhaps, just as conservative Teddy Roosevelt was teh same, he was so good it got his face plastered on Mt. Rushmore. But the ugly side of Paul is that he doesn't give two shits about social care. If you want to convice me or to even support your position, why not illustrate Paul's social svs platform. You I'll listen and respond, after all, I'm a GD liberal.

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In your world, you would rather me subsidize health insurance for even those that spend $1000 a month on skydiving, yet refuse to pay for it themselves, rather than me using that money and helping a struggling single mother living in a mold infested run down house from having her basic needs met of a safe shelter for her family.

Don't assume I skydive that much, it's been months. As for a vacation, been allost 2 years since a quick run to Vegas. But I would rather have everyone's healthcare prearranged in some form, even if we have to participate in its maintenance via mandated participation as long as regulation exists. And the indigent need free care.

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Don't even try to tell me that your ideals are not motivated by greed.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/greed

n. An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.

Basic heathcare is more than one needs? I guess I'm greedy because I want that elusive basic healthcare. Next thing you know I'll want running water and electricity.

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Sorry if this came across harsh, or I mischaracterized you.

Love the disclaimer

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Taking from the rich to give to the poor is no more or less classist than allowing the rich to thrive on the fruits of the laboring class.

Perhaps and a fair point, but when those deciding whether the rich get to keep their fruit that was won on the backs of the poor are millionaires too, it becomes a greedy classist act.

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Personally, I think that people should be allowed to lie in whatever bed they’ve (legally) made for themselves.

And ignore birth family, genetic/congenital disease, abuses, accidents in life and a myriad of other issues? Isn't that how stereotypes that Repubs / Libertarians are incompassionate are formed and supported?

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He'll have Mike Huckabee to deal with next time. And I'm afraid that he will be shouted down. It looks to me like the evangelicals have hijacked the Republican party just as Al-Quida has hijacked Islam. Radical Fundementalism sucks no matter which side you're talking about.

Huckabee, Paul....thank you, you just conformed 8 years of Obama. Again, thank you.

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I don't know what that means.

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And as long as the Republican electorate keeps thinking these guys are neato, that will further affirm Dems win the WH and Congress.

I certainly did not mean to group Ron Paul with Mike Huckabee. I think Huckabee would be the second coming of GWB. Only with a better IQ. Ron Paul says things that make sence to me and he seems to piss off an equal number of people on both ends of the spectrum. The ones in the middle seem to think his ideas are worth considering.

I wanted Colin Powell to get into the race (no pun intended) but that didn't happen. I would really get behind a Paul / Powell ticket. In either order.

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Ron Paul says things that make sence to me and he seems to piss off an equal number of people on both ends of the spectrum. The ones in the middle seem to think his ideas are worth considering.

Oh I see, establishing the Libertarian Party are a bunch of centrists. Of course, they are reguar, normal guys, the Republicans and Democrats are the extremists. I don't think Paul pisses anyone off, I think he is viewed as a joke, he can't win a primary in the Republican Party, and he gets 3% of the populat vote as a Liber; who's pissed? Who's Ron Paul???

Research and explain to me Paul's stance on social svs. Please be comprehensive and detailed, not just, 'he wants all people to be well and happy.'

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Please be comprehensive and detailed, not just, 'he wants all people to be well and happy.'

As opposed to your "The Dems are great and the Reps are a bunch of bloated plutocrat" posts? Why should she be held to a higher standard than you hold yourself?

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Please be comprehensive and detailed, not just, 'he wants all people to be well and happy.'

As opposed to your "The Dems are great and the Reps are a bunch of bloated plutocrat" posts? Why should she be held to a higher standard than you hold yourself?

I may post my opinions, but I post a citation to support it, a concept foreign to you. Our opinions are fine, but unless we support them they are just that.

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As it is, I keep wondering how much longer he is going to allow himself to be associated with them.

He's gone back and forth on that issue. Remember that he was the Libertarian Party's candidate for President in 1988.

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waitin for the 2012 race to start since the 08 race ended.... He is a stand up fello and the only guy i would have voted for!

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As it is, I keep wondering how much longer he is going to allow himself to be associated with them.

He's gone back and forth on that issue. Remember that he was the Libertarian Party's candidate for President in 1988.

Remember he ran in the Republican primaries last year????? Ron Paul is as much a Republican as he feels like being at the moment, but it's hard to totally disconnect.

Tom, you guys need to flush and start over; start by seeing what would appeal to this current society. I want the Republcians to be a better party than the Dems, then I will vote for them again. Politics are best when parties compete for success, rather than refuse to change an wait for the other side to implode.

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Tom, you guys need to flush and start over;

Are "us guys" the Republicans or the Libertarians?

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...start by seeing what would appeal to this current society.

Actually, I'm more interested in safeguarding the rights of the individual citizens than appealing to "society." Enslaving forty percent of society so the rest can be waited on would be a pretty popular position with the 60% who benefit, but that doesn't make it appealing to me.

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I want the Republcians to be a better party than the Dems, then I will vote for them again.

I'm not convinced that I want the Republicans to reform and re-emerge. I'd prefer a clear statist/anti-statist dynamic in the parties, and for that I'd like the Libertarian Party to take over the GOP's place in the two party system. This could also be achieved by reforming the GOP into a truly pro-individual freedom party, but I have my doubts as to the possibility of that happening.

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Politics are best when parties compete for success, rather than refuse to change an wait for the other side to implode.

Why? Personally, I kind of like people who have ideals and stick to them. It makes it easier to predict how they're going to behave once they're in office. People who just change to suit the political winds are likely to continue doing so once in office.

-- Tom Aiello

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