quade 4 #26 September 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteGotta wonder about the timing however. Economy is in the dumps and we don't need to spend the money. When would be a better time?Eyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Answer the question; when would be a better time to cut some military spending from a program that doesn't actually protect the US?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 September 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGotta wonder about the timing however. Economy is in the dumps and we don't need to spend the money. When would be a better time?Eyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Answer the question; when would be a better time to cut some military spending from a program that doesn't actually protect the US? If you dont know the significance of the date I cant fucking help you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 September 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGotta wonder about the timing however. Economy is in the dumps and we don't need to spend the money. When would be a better time?Eyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Answer the question; when would be a better time to cut some military spending from a program that doesn't actually protect the US? If you dont know the significance of the date I cant fucking help you I completely understand what happened 70 years ago. Are you still not going to answer the question?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 September 18, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Gotta wonder about the timing however. Economy is in the dumps and we don't need to spend the money. When would be a better time? Eyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Answer the question; when would be a better time to cut some military spending from a program that doesn't actually protect the US? If you dont know the significance of the date I cant fucking help you I completely understand what happened 70 years ago. Are you still not going to answer the question? I am supposed to answer an out of context question that means nothing related to what I posted? Ya, right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 September 18, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Gotta wonder about the timing however. Economy is in the dumps and we don't need to spend the money. When would be a better time? Eyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Answer the question; when would be a better time to cut some military spending from a program that doesn't actually protect the US? If you dont know the significance of the date I cant fucking help you I completely understand what happened 70 years ago. Are you still not going to answer the question? I am supposed to answer an out of context question that means nothing related to what I posted? Ya, right Absolutely nothing was taken out of context. I've quoted EXACTLY the relevant part of your post. So, tell me, when would be a better time to make the cut? Your birthday? Halloween? Three weeks from next tuesday?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 September 18, 2009 Any time but today. But it is the symbolism that counts with the left and this president. but, I have to figure that point is lost on you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 September 18, 2009 I am nearly certain that if you pick any random day of the year, you can link it to some event in European history where some conflict was going on. Yeah, yeah, Russia and Germany do crap in Poland on September 17, 1939, but to the vast majority of the world, it's just another date in history. My guess is that before today, the date had never crossed your mind.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #33 September 18, 2009 Quote Quote And I'd also like to add: if those on the political Right want to maintain any credibility as people who want to uphold the vision of the Founding Fathers & stop Big Government Programs, they should not support the idea that it is America's job to garrison the entire planet. Please don't believe that the people who support big government programs, regardless of their intent, are the political right, even if that's the party they claim to represent. As far as credibility in Washington goes, I can count the number of people I believe to be credible on one hand. Which is a good reason that the whole left-right spectrum as a political model is bullshit. You can disagree with the Libertarians on a lot of points (as I do myself), but on this one they have a lot of merit: With all of the different issues, trying to sum up any intelligent person's beliefs based on a single point on a line (left wing or right wing) is hopelessly simplistic. Yes, I agree to the all the objections that the Nolan Chart is STILL too simplistic, and the way they use the questions is to try to gear the user to say they're libertarian. Nevertheless, they do have a point that the whole ONE DIMENSIONAL, single-line depiction of political beliefs is simplistic to the point of nonsense. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #34 September 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteOf course "starwars" was intentionally used to discredit a program in order to make it sound ridiculous/not feasible. Opposing such a program is a reasonable position, but not because it can't be done. What have we gotten for giving up on the program? I also think that Bush was stupid for being so friendly/cozy with Putin. What he should have seen in Putin's heart was certainly not an ally. At first, it could have been forgiven as optimism, but only at first. Star wars - yea I know it was a nickname for fun. As for feasability, they send a missle from Vandenburg to Kwajalein every now and then and I think they miss most of the time with the intercept missle, don't they? Putin - I don't know volumes about that relationship, but any time we can try to mend our relationships it's a good thing. They were mostly sending missiles from Kodiak, Alaska. They were missing early on, but had very good results lately. Also, the airborne laser weapon is a totally different method, and results look good from that also. Back to Obama scrapping the missile shield - Michael Savage has suggested that Obama may have worked out a deal with Putin. We don't deploy the missiles, and they don't do anything substantial (they'll just put up token complaint) when Iran's nuclear program gets destroyed by either Israel or the US. Given Netanyahu's secret meeting in Russia recently, his analysis may be spot on. Time will tell.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #35 September 18, 2009 Don't understand why people are so shit-their-pants scared of Iran. Remember these are the same people who invented chess, a game where you continually ask yourself "if I do this, how will my opponent respond?" So what do you imagine would be going on in these chess-players minds, that they would think that launching a nuclear weapon on the West would be a good idea? Try doing that thought experiment. Even if you were a Muslim Iranian who hated the West? What repercussions do you think would happen to your country if you launched a nuke at the West? Remember, these are chess players. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #36 September 18, 2009 QuoteSo what do you imagine would be going on in these chess-players minds, that they would think that launching a nuclear weapon on the West would be a good idea? The great minds of a nation and the leaders of that nation do not always coincide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #37 September 18, 2009 QuoteWhat repercussions do you think would happen to your country if you launched a nuke at the West? Depends on what countries are bordering or near the offending nation. But if you like 1980's nuclear movies whose messages say teenagers or bumbling spies can save the world from annihilation by shallow one-dimensional military leaders, then you would probably say something simple like Nuclear assault._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #38 September 18, 2009 It is not the launching weapons at the west that is so likely, it is launching them at Israel. Aquavelvajob has said that he wants to wipe Israel off the map. Some very learned people speculate that they see the fullfillment of prophecy if such a war is started. I understand that for some the elimination of Israel does not cause any concern.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #39 September 18, 2009 QuoteEyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Take symbolism out of the picture....do you think it was a good idea? I'm not a fan of Obama, but I think this was a good idea on many levels.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #40 September 18, 2009 Quote Quote http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/09/17/ST2009091701841.html What do y'all think? I think it's the right thing to do. Agreed. It's high time the EU took responsibility for it's own defense. WW2 was over 50 years ago. The US cannot afford to play the world's policeman forever. Bwahahaha ........ Remember, it was the brilliant idea of GWB, Europe did not beg for it His mental flash of genius never was welcome here. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 September 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteEyes wide shut my friend. To the left, symbolism over substance flies most days Take symbolism out of the picture....do you think it was a good idea? I'm not a fan of Obama, but I think this was a good idea on many levels. Too early to tell for me yet. I knew what was being developed before but I have less info now. In theory I have no problem with it depending on the scale. But, there was a reason he did it on the day he did. Hope he feels good about it. The countries he just shit on don't. Don't get me wrong. Not sure we should be everywhere we are today. But, Obama, IMO, is not looking like he handled this very well Time to wait and see"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
