quade 4 #126 September 30, 2009 Ron, federal buildings are public places. Should all people be allowed to carry firearms in all federal buildings?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #127 October 1, 2009 QuoteSo yeah.... It was easy. Ummm, no. For your argument to be complete you would have to show how public transportation = public place. Keep in mind there are many public transportation companies that are fully private companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #128 October 1, 2009 QuoteRon, federal buildings are public places. Should all people be allowed to carry firearms in all federal buildings? I think that you have two options: 1. As long as the person is licensed to carry in that State, Yes. 2. If not, then the building needs to have screening to prevent ANYONE (except LEO) from entering the building with a weapon. But you are throwing a strawman... this thread is about allowing CHECKED firearms on AMTRAK. Do you think checked firearms should be allowed on trains?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #129 October 1, 2009 QuoteUmmm, no. Ummmm, yeah it was."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #130 October 1, 2009 Ron you still have to show how public transportation = public place. Would you consider a Greyhound bus to be public? You don't think Greyhound as a company has rights to restrict what they allow on their busses? By the way, I could care less if Amtrak allows you to check your luggage or lets you carry it on the train, doesn't effect me. However, if you do not see a difference between some one walking down the street or sitting on a train, then it is truly impossible to have a decent discussion with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #131 October 1, 2009 QuoteRon you still have to show how public transportation = public place. Ron you still have to show how public transportation = public place. Done thanks. Keep lobbing softballs, they are fun to knock right out of the park. QuoteHowever, if you do not see a difference between some one walking down the street or sitting on a train, then it is truly impossible to have a decent discussion with you. If you do not see the basic understanding that the Founding Fathers considered the right to self defense to be a basic right of the people that should not be infringed.... Then it is truly impossible to have a decent conversation with you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #132 October 1, 2009 Just cause both terms have public in them, does not make them the same. QuoteIf you do not see the basic understanding that the Founding Fathers considered the right to self defense to be a basic right of the people that should not be infringed.... Then it is truly impossible to have a decent conversation with you. Oh I do, carry them. I have said before that I believe that based on the 2nd amendmend you guys should have access to every weapon that is available on the world market. I also believe that companies have a right to restrict what happens on their property, even publicly funded companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #133 October 1, 2009 QuoteJust cause both terms have public in them, does not make them the same. But it does make both of them PUBLIC. QuoteI also believe that companies have a right to restrict what happens on their property, even publicly funded companies. And I think that is a company does restrict the lawful possession, then they should have to screen EVERYONE that enters. Otherwise they only restrict law abiding citizens. I disagree with the public issue... If my tax dollars go towards it, then I should continue to have my rights under the Constitution."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #134 October 1, 2009 QuoteBut you are throwing a strawman... this thread is about allowing CHECKED firearms on AMTRAK. Do you think checked firearms should be allowed on trains? Actually, if you look at one of the very first replies in this thread, you'll see I answered yes a LONG time ago.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #135 October 1, 2009 QuoteI disagree with the public issue... If my tax dollars go towards it, then I should continue to have my rights under the Constitution. You are right, would make perfect sense to allow any visitor to a prison to be armed. On a different note, you obviously feel very strongly about this and feel like the government is taking rights away from you. Isn't this exactly what the 2nd amendmend is for? Isn't this exactly what the 2nd amendmend is supposed to prevent? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #136 October 1, 2009 QuoteRon you still have to show how public transportation = public place. Would you consider a Greyhound bus to be public? You don't think Greyhound as a company has rights to restrict what they allow on their busses? Bus companies would be held to a different standard than a train company. There is no barrier to entry for a new bus company. But tracks are a limited commodity (and a big part of why Amtrak is unsuccessful), just as we can't have an infinite number of cable companies running wires through the neighborhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #137 October 1, 2009 QuoteBut tracks are a limited commodity (and a big part of why Amtrak is unsuccessful), You can easily hitch your rail car to an Amtrak train. Actually done quite frequently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #138 October 1, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut tracks are a limited commodity (and a big part of why Amtrak is unsuccessful), You can easily hitch your rail car to an Amtrak train. Actually done quite frequently. Yet, no matter how hard I try, I can't get a train to pick me up at home and drop me off exactly at the place I want to go to down town, nor is their any rail services whatsoever to UCLA. So, yeah, it's a limited commodity based entirely on where the tracks are laid and the station stops are.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #139 October 1, 2009 QuoteYet, no matter how hard I try, I can't get a train to pick me up at home and drop me off exactly at the place I want to go to down town, nor is their any rail services whatsoever to UCLA. Funny, that same limited commodity works in many other countries quite succesfully. Maybe Americans just feel to entitled and are too lazy to take a couple of steps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #140 October 1, 2009 QuoteQuoteYet, no matter how hard I try, I can't get a train to pick me up at home and drop me off exactly at the place I want to go to down town, nor is their any rail services whatsoever to UCLA. Funny, that same limited commodity works in many other countries quite succesfully. Maybe Americans just feel to entitled and are too lazy to take a couple of steps. I can see you've never tried to commute via train in Los Angeles. It's not a matter of steps. It's a matter of if the service even exists.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #141 October 1, 2009 I've never seen an Amtrak train in California with someone's personal rail car attached to the back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #142 October 2, 2009 QuoteYou are right, would make perfect sense to allow any visitor to a prison to be armed. You don't actually read what I write do you? QuoteOn a different note, you obviously feel very strongly about this and feel like the government is taking rights away from you. Isn't this exactly what the 2nd amendmend [SIC] is for? Isn't this exactly what the 2nd amendmend [SIC] is supposed to prevent? Do you use a fire extinguisher to put out a candle? Stop trying to start arguments"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #143 October 2, 2009 QuoteI've never seen an Amtrak train in California with someone's personal rail car attached to the back. Check out California Zypher Railcar. But that is completely off topic. The issue I brought up was that an Amtrak train is not a public place and has restrcited access, whether or not you guys get to carry your guns on there.....I really don't care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #144 October 2, 2009 QuoteDo you use a fire extinguisher to put out a candle? If its equivalent to just a burning candle and not a fire, why get so worked up about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #145 October 2, 2009 QuoteIf its equivalent to just a burning candle and not a fire, why get so worked up about it? You don't watch candles when they are burning in your house? Since you live in Canada, why are you getting all worked up about American issues?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #146 October 2, 2009 QuoteI also believe that companies have a right to restrict what happens on their property, even publicly funded companies. With that thought, we'd loose 3/4ths of the DZ's in the US.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #147 October 2, 2009 QuoteSince you live in Canada, why are you getting all worked up about American issues? Cause I like expanding my horizons beyond where I live, am very much the opposite of the average North American that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #148 October 2, 2009 QuoteWith that thought, we'd loose 3/4ths of the DZ's in the US. You'll have to elaborate on that one, since I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #149 October 2, 2009 QuoteCause I like expanding my horizons beyond where I live, am very much the opposite of the average North American that way. Your opinion. Either way I get involved with these discussions for the same reasons you claim to get involved."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #150 December 14, 2009 News update:"House approves allowing checked guns on Amtrak" Story: http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20091210/UPDATES01/91210017 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
