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QuoteIf I want to experience Africa LIVE, I just have to travel 10 mi. to South Fulton (Atlanta).
Hyperbole.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
kallend 2,027
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No millionaire ever got that way without the help of a LOT of people. They are the ones that should drop to their knees and be thankful for the support they've already received.
Define "the help of a LOT of people."
I am a multi-millionaire, and I think I did it pretty much on my own.
Cool. You didn't attend a public high school or grade school, you never drove on a public road or visited a public library, never crossed a bridge paid for by the public, never benefitted from any knowledge generated in a National Lab or public university or funded by the DoE, NSF or NIH. Never used municipal
water or sewer systems, never benefited from the existence of a police department, never flew on an airline using ATC services...
I'm impressed.
Wow thats total BS! Those services did not help him become wealthyThey do make life easyer for all of us but your way off base!
They do make life easyer for all of us but your way off base!What a foolish response. Of course they did.
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rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteWow thats total BS! Those services did not help him become wealthy
What a foolish response. Of course they did.
what a foolish response - they'd only 'help' him if they were provided to him disproportionately than they were provided to anyone else - since all the people ahd these items, they resulted in the neither an advantage nor a disadvantage relative to others
did the government provide him with his personal roads? or with his personal school?
maybe in a left wing administration we'd see preferential disposition of services,.... then you might be right... the left made these people unfairly rich..
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
quade 4
QuoteQuoteQuoteWow thats total BS! Those services did not help him become wealthy
What a foolish response. Of course they did.
what a foolish response - they'd only 'help' him if they were provided to him disproportionately than they were provided to anyone else - since all the people ahd these items, they resulted in the neither an advantage nor a disadvantage relative to others
did the government provide him with his personal roads? or with his personal school?
maybe in a left wing administration we'd see preferential disposition of services,.... then you might be right... the left made these people unfairly rich..
No. It has nothing to do with preferential treatment or use, but everything to do with the fact that nobody succeeds in life without the benefits the society (aka a LOT of other people) provides them.
I've said it before, the richest people in the US ought to drop to their knees every day and thank the rest of America for what it has provided them. Instead, they usually bitch about paying taxes.
Go figure that one out.
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billvon 2,994
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>they'd only 'help' him if they were provided to him disproportionately
>than they were provided to anyone else . . .
So if a teacher spent a lot of effort trying to help you understand something, you would not consider it help unless it only went to you, or to you and a subset of students?
That seems an odd exclusion.
>than they were provided to anyone else . . .
So if a teacher spent a lot of effort trying to help you understand something, you would not consider it help unless it only went to you, or to you and a subset of students?
That seems an odd exclusion.
rehmwa 2
QuoteSo if a teacher spent a lot of effort trying to help you understand something, you would not consider it help unless it only went to you, or to you and a subset of students?
it's "help", but that same help goes to everyone, so how can you claim that it made or broke someone's success?
Do you discount the same help given by a teacher that works in a private school? that seems to be an odd exclusion.....
you guys are being obtuse on purpose
if we all get benefit A, and someone still outperforms the rest of the pack - you cannot assign their success to benefit A
the only thing you can say is "everyone got benefit A"
benny A is part of the package, buts it's not the cause - look for another KPIV
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
rehmwa 2
Quoteseems you'd have everyone on their knees thanking each other all the time
i'd rather they just get to work/play/life instead of praying constantly and feeling guilty about being a useful contributor to society
scratch that - if we all crash to our knees at every single person we meet all the time just to say 'thanks for doing whatever the hell it is you do' then I could make a fortune designing and selling reinforce garments. That and orthopedic surgical tools.
that would be great
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
billvon 2,994
>it's "help"
OK cool we agree there.
> but that same help goes to everyone, so how can you claim that it
> made or broke someone's success?
?? Again, if a doctor saved your life as a kid, and allowed you to go on to achieve great things, isn't that an example of him helping you? Even if he would have done it for most kids?
>Do you discount the same help given by a teacher that works in a
>private school?
Nope, not at all.
>f we all get benefit A, and someone still outperforms the rest of the
>pack - you cannot assign their success to benefit A
Of course, and no one claimed that their success was due solely to that benefit. But benefit A may have well been PART of their success. Without it they may have failed. Or they may have succeeded; hard to say.
Which is why I asked for the example from Karen. If she has an example of someone who did not use benefit A (or B, or C etc) then that's a good counterargument.
OK cool we agree there.
> but that same help goes to everyone, so how can you claim that it
> made or broke someone's success?
?? Again, if a doctor saved your life as a kid, and allowed you to go on to achieve great things, isn't that an example of him helping you? Even if he would have done it for most kids?
>Do you discount the same help given by a teacher that works in a
>private school?
Nope, not at all.
>f we all get benefit A, and someone still outperforms the rest of the
>pack - you cannot assign their success to benefit A
Of course, and no one claimed that their success was due solely to that benefit. But benefit A may have well been PART of their success. Without it they may have failed. Or they may have succeeded; hard to say.
Which is why I asked for the example from Karen. If she has an example of someone who did not use benefit A (or B, or C etc) then that's a good counterargument.
quade 4
QuoteQuoteseems you'd have everyone on their knees thanking each other all the time
i'd rather they just get to work/play/life instead of praying constantly and feeling guilty about being a useful contributor to society
scratch that - if we all crash to our knees at every single person we meet all the time just to say 'thanks for doing whatever the hell it is you do' then I could make a fortune designing and selling reinforce garments. That and orthopedic surgical tools.
that would be great
Who do you think you're quoting? I never said that.
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billvon 2,994
>if we all crash to our knees at every single person we meet all the time
>just to say 'thanks for doing whatever the hell it is you do' then I could
>make a fortune designing and selling reinforce garments.
Too much trouble. Perhaps start a "stop thanking veterans" campaign. Everyone benefits from the military; why waste your time on your knees when you could be posting?
>just to say 'thanks for doing whatever the hell it is you do' then I could
>make a fortune designing and selling reinforce garments.
Too much trouble. Perhaps start a "stop thanking veterans" campaign. Everyone benefits from the military; why waste your time on your knees when you could be posting?
kallend 2,027
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Thank a teacher for the fact that you can read and write. Thank Tim Berners-Lee that you can access the web. Thank Willem that you can post in this forum.
NOBODY succeeds entirely on their own.
Anyone who thinks they succeeded entirely by their own efforts is a knave or a fool....
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kbordson 8
Quoteyou guys are being obtuse on purpose
Yup.
No debate to be had here.
Just a series of "you should thank..... your parents, your spouse, your teachers, your co-workers, the soldiers for your ability to voice opinions that can't be proven, the construction workers for building the road, the people at McD's (even if you never eat there, cuz SOMEONE DOES... and that way YOU don't have to cook for EVERYBODY), the hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, management consultants, telephone sanitizers... even that that poor homeless person that stands in front of Starbucks"
NOBODY deserves what they have cuz it was ALL just given to them by "the masses"
If you have ANYTHING - you OBVIOUSLY didn't work for it. You ABSOLUTELY don't deserve it. And you can bet someone would be MORE THAN WILLING to take it from you to help you with your "burden" of unearned success.
NOTE: this is ALL sarcasm - spelled that out
kallend 2,027
Anyone who thinks they succeeded entirely by their own efforts is a knave or a fool.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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