Buy insurance or face the IRS and or jail.

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>Dude, this is NOT about health care.

Of course. It's about power. The GOP is out of power, and they will do anything at all to get back into power. Obama could propose a single payer system, they'd oppose it. He could propose an amendment banning any implementation of a single payer system, and the GOP would claim he wants to deny healthcare to children.

It has nothing to do with getting americans health care - it has to do with the politics of destruction.

I am glad you are seeing what the Clintons started and Obama is still using

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>I am glad you are seeing what the Clintons started and Obama is still using

You must have been answering someone else. (Or just doing the knee-jerk ODS thing, and getting your required Obama slam in.)

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>I am glad you are seeing what the Clintons started and Obama is still using

You must have been answering someone else. (Or just doing the knee-jerk ODS thing, and getting your required Obama slam in.)

You brought up the destruction crap. It is Obama and you that does not want the debate. Hence the calls of destruction and racism. Cant handle the fire you know.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

go ahead and try and drown me with your crap - I am breathing just fine, thank you.....

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go ahead and try and drown me with your crap - I am breathing just fine, thank you.....

I am happy for you but I have no idea what you mean

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I was thinking about this crap of the big “O” making it mandatory for Insurers to cover preexisting conditions. Kind of like forcing an insurer to provide full coverage for a home owner only after his house is on fire.

Actually the bill does exactly the opposite - it requires everyone to have the insurance, even if you believe your home would never burn and therefore you do not need it.

Somehow you're missing the point that the people still get treated with preexisting conditions - they just do it in the most expensive way, via ER. And insurers (and taxpayers) are forced to pay for it. So we ARE already covering them, but since they're not accepted by insurers, they pay nothing for this coverage. Would it make sense to have them pay at lease something?

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Just curious Wendy but can you tell me why is Congress so eager to cut $160 billion or more from Medicare Advantage? You know the program does things that President Obama and other liberals normally praise.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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Seems like you've gone into Dreamdancer's style posting.

Do you really expect anyone here to spend their time to rebuf the bullshit you copypasted from some sites, just to see more copypasted bullshit?

Do you have YOUR OWN opinion on the subject, or you have permanently rented your brain to your party propaganda?

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I am one of those left-wing liberal nuts that actually thinks it is OK to pay taxes if I am getting something for it.

I am more than willing to pay my share of income tax so that my fellow employees, workers, friends, etc can have access to health care without going bankrupt.

I am more than willing to pay more taxes if we can get solar programs in place to reduce dependance on oil.
I am more than willing to pay more taxes if we can recycle more and put less trash in incinerators and landfill sites.
I am more than willing to pay more taxes if we can offer cheap (or free) education to our next generation of people, after-all, they have to inherit the crap we leave them - so they may as well be smart enough to manage it.

I am NOT willing to pay more taxes so I can bail out GM so they can continue to build gas-guzzling vehicles that do not serve the greater good of the country and the environment, but only serve to feed American vanity.

so you're more than willing to give up your freedoms to the government while paying more taxes as long as you get something for it and as it serves the greater good?

diamonds are a dawgs best friend

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Seems like you've gone into Dreamdancer's style posting.

Do you really expect anyone here to spend their time to rebuf the bullshit you copypasted from some sites, just to see more copypasted bullshit?

Do you have YOUR OWN opinion on the subject, or you have permanently rented your brain to your party propaganda?

You are kind of pissy this am dude!

I have posted my opinions mulitple times on these subjects. I guess you cant statnd the supporing articles I find when I read.

Get over it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I have posted my opinions mulitple times on these subjects. I guess you cant statnd the supporing articles I find when I read.

Yes, I know you posted it in past, and while I disagree with you, it still makes sense to discuss things, as you're the one expressing the opinion. This, however, cannot be said for "supported articles", as they're created by people to support a specific agenda, not to "tell you the truth", and some of them are even paid for that. The quality of those articles you posted is so low and they're so full of flaws that in my opinion a person even with a half of brain would see them. I believe you've seen them too, and such a choice of "supporting materials" does really poor job in supporting your agenda.

The most important point here, however, that when you (or someone else) starts spamming "supported articles", the discussion does not make sense anymore. For example, it's useless to argue with some posters here who generally do not express their own opinion - just copypaste stuff from other sites and avoiding discussion (ii.e. typical trolling) - you obviously know those :)

So if you still believe the articles you posted are supportive, could you tell us YOUR opinion about what was written there? See, you didn't even say whether you agree with the article in full, or in some parts, so it added zero value to the discussion.

P.S. Did you read the FULL bill? :)

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I have posted my opinions mulitple times on these subjects. I guess you cant statnd the supporing articles I find when I read.

Yes, I know you posted it in past, and while I disagree with you, it still makes sense to discuss things, as you're the one expressing the opinion. This, however, cannot be said for "supported articles", as they're created by people to support a specific agenda, not to "tell you the truth", and some of them are even paid for that. The quality of those articles you posted is so low and they're so full of flaws that in my opinion a person even with a half of brain would see them. I believe you've seen them too, and such a choice of "supporting materials" does really poor job in supporting your agenda.

The most important point here, however, that when you (or someone else) starts spamming "supported articles", the discussion does not make sense anymore. For example, it's useless to argue with some posters here who generally do not express their own opinion - just copypaste stuff from other sites and avoiding discussion (ii.e. typical trolling) - you obviously know those :)

So if you still believe the articles you posted are supportive, could you tell us YOUR opinion about what was written there? See, you didn't even say whether you agree with the article in full, or in some parts, so it added zero value to the discussion.

P.S. Did you read the FULL bill? :)

So, if you know my positon why the pithy comment?

As time goes by more information comes from those closer to it than we can ever be so, hence the articles. It makes no sense to me to repeat over and over (as Lucky does) the same point. I dont wish to take the time and the horse is already dead.

No, I did not nor could I read something like that. I look to mulitple sources to point out differnt detail (on both sides) go to those portions of the bill and form an opinion.

You? Did you read the whole thing?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So, if you know my positon why the pithy comment?

Yes. And AFAIR most of the issues you brought were either not correct, or not really different from what we have now.

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You? Did you read the whole thing?

Yes I did. Note that English is not my native language, especially legalese English. So it took more time, including checking dictionaries and Wiki to understand what the terms mean. But now I can say that it's not something extreme, and if you're a native English speaker you should not have half of the problems I had.

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So, if you know my positon why the pithy comment?

Yes. And AFAIR most of the issues you brought were either not correct, or not really different from what we have now.

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You? Did you read the whole thing?

Yes I did. Note that English is not my native language, especially legalese English. So it took more time, including checking dictionaries and Wiki to understand what the terms mean. But now I can say that it's not something extreme, and if you're a native English speaker you should not have half of the problems I had.

No, they are correct IMO. And correct, my positions have changed much. (if that really means anything)

Regardless of what is in the bill the fact remains that HC, bail outs and the take of the financial industry is not supposed to be the role of this government. It is not doing these things for the good of the people. Rather, it is doing it for power and money. For these reasons alone this shit needs to be stopped.


(now we can all standby and wait for the billvon evil conservative comments which have been nearly every post lately)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Regardless of what is in the bill the fact remains that HC, bail outs and the take of the financial industry is not supposed to be the role of this government. It is not doing these things for the good of the people. Rather, it is doing it for power and money. For these reasons along this shit needs to be stopped.

This is a very strange comment from a someone who didn't read the bill itself. Would you please elaborate it? I'd only ask to reference the bill, not Fox News or whatever.

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Regardless of what is in the bill the fact remains that HC, bail outs and the take of the financial industry is not supposed to be the role of this government. It is not doing these things for the good of the people. Rather, it is doing it for power and money. For these reasons along this shit needs to be stopped.

This is a very strange comment from a someone who didn't read the bill itself. Would you please elaborate it? I'd only ask to reference the bill, not Fox News or whatever.

This kind of power/control/law does not belong with our government. What do you find strange about that? (irrespective of party)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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giving up freedoms? Where did I say that? Are your referring to the 'freedom' to die because I cannot afford health care? Or it is just that I must be lazy and need to get a better job so I can pay for it?

The 'freedom' to pollute the earth by tossing away anything i like in the trash and not have to worry about where it is going - but when it does become a problem, then I can blame someone else for not thinking of it sooner?

THe 'freedom' to cut public education funding because if people really WANT to be smart - they will figure it out on their own?

The 'freedom' to continue to burn oil at a pace that will not only destroy the environment, but the future of the country?

try not to put words in my mouth please.

I am willing to give up TAXES to pay for programs that serve the better good. THat is what I said, that is what I meant.

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This kind of power/control/law does not belong with our government. What do you find strange about that? (irrespective of party)

What kind of power, and who it then belongs to? Please be specific.
BTW, does Medicare also not belong with the government?

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>This kind of power/control/law does not belong with our government.

What kind of power? Can you point to a section of the proposed bill that you believe would give "that kind of power" to the government?

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>This kind of power/control/law does not belong with our government.

What kind of power? Can you point to a section of the proposed bill that you believe would give "that kind of power" to the government?

Any of it or all of it take your pick

I know you will post they have this or they have that now but it makes no difference. They do not belong in our lives at that level

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,076]

So you can't post an example or indeed any specific part you disagree with. Pretty much what I figured.

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So you can't post an example or indeed any specific part you disagree with. Pretty much what I figured.

All of it. That is not so hard now is it

Dont need any single point. It is not the governments job, period.

Regulate health insurance companies? Ok, they do that today.

So, your purposful attitude toward not trying to understand is what was expected (to follow your lead)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,076]

>Dont need any single point.

So you can't even list one point you disagree with. And you wonder why the republicans are even less trusted than the democrats on heath care.

Limbaugh at least was honest enough to admit his agenda: "Anything that gets in the way of Barack Obama accomplishing his domestic agenda is fine with me." Reading the actual plan might actually garner some support for it, and that is death to him.

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>Dont need any single point.

So you can't even list one point you disagree with. And you wonder why the republicans are even less trusted than the democrats on heath care.

Limbaugh at least was honest enough to admit his agenda: "Anything that gets in the way of Barack Obama accomplishing his domestic agenda is fine with me." Reading the actual plan might actually garner some support for it, and that is death to him.

It must be tough to live in your world today. I mean, your posts lately are vitriolic and angry. Understandable since your party has control of all branchs and cant get your pet programs through.

Why it that huh?
Suppose it is because the radical side trying to push this through cant preure thinking people in buying the crap they are selling?

Look, Obama's agenda is far left and failing cause this country is not buying his (and the lefts snake oil)

If not, get if voted through!! Again, your party has he numbers but not the votes? Why?

Oh, it is because we (me to be specific) is a racists because I want his programs to not get passed.

It only needs stopped for a few more months. Then you will have to find other specifics to look down your nose at others.

Signed

A racist right wiing no nothing hate monger(since this is what you will (and have) accused me of before)

But the way, single payer is bullshit for one example if that is so important to you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Any of it or all of it take your pick

Are you sure you're not trying to present your personal and ungrounded opinion as facts?

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