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One of the anecdotes used by President Obama last night to demonize the insurance industry was the story of Mr. Otto Raddatz. What Obama said:


One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it.
Sweetness & Light has learned that the sworn testimony of the man's sister tells a different story. It wasn't easy but the situation was rectified in time and the man received the transplant:

Ms. Raddatz: He did indeed receive the stem cell transplant. It was extremely successful. It extended his life approximately 3-1/2 years. He did pass away January 6, 2009, and he was about to have a second stem cell transplant. Unfortunately, due to certain situations, his donor became ill at the last minute and so he did pass away on January 6. But again, it extended his life nearly 3-1/2 years and at his age, each day meant everything to him…

How did this happen? Ms. Raddatz took the issue up with the Illinois Attorney General:


However, Mr. Raddatz’s lawyer sister contacted the Illinois Attorney General’s Office. They investigated and found that the doctor who did the CT scans could not remember whether he had ever told Mr. Raddatz about his findings.

Consequently, the insurance company overturned their original decision to rescind her brother’s coverage, and he was reinstated in the words of his sister, "without [any] lapse."


How fortunate for this family that they had recourse to challenge the insurance company's decisions. Would this be so under a government plan? Andy McCarthy has noted the following:
Tucked into several pages of this epic monstrosity (H.R. 3200 is here—if you can get it to load) are various “limitation on review” provisions. They are designed to vest President Obama with unilateral, non-appealable control over available treatments and their costs. That is, Americans will have no recourse to challenge errant or capricious executive-branch decisions in the courts.

http://www.punditandpundette.com/2009/09/obama-got-ending-wrong.html

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how many lies does Obama need to tell before he is called out by those that can put him his place. Obama is a liar and has a talent for telling half truths, with all the czars he should be able to at least gather acurate information. Obama isnot interested in the truth, only advancing his policy despite the truth.

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how many lies do politicians need to tell before they are called out by those that can put them in their place. Career politicians are liars and have a talent for telling half truths, with all the czars they should be able to at least gather accurate information. Politicians are not interested in the truth, only advancing their self-serving agendas despite the truth.

Fixed it for you.

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You are all obviously racists!

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how many lies do politicians need to tell before they are called out by those that can put them in their place. Career politicians are liars and have a talent for telling half truths, with all the czars they should be able to at least gather accurate information. Politicians are not interested in the truth, only advancing their self-serving agendas despite the truth.

Fixed it for you.

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

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You are all obviously racists!

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yep I am an extreme right wing, naxi, terrorist, lieing gun toting racist

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You are all obviously racists!

yep I am an extreme right wing, naxi, terrorist, lieing gun toting racist

You to?

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

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? what does Obama lies have to do with Bush? I get it it is Bushes fault.

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You are all obviously racists!

yep I am an extreme right wing, naxi, terrorist, lieing gun toting racist

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I know I missed a few but us righties are stupid also.

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

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? what does Obama lies have to do with Bush? I get it it is Bushes fault.

Not saying it's all Bush's fault. Just saying that if Bush had actually done what he campaigned on and not been such a fuck-up, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

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? what does Obama lies have to do with Bush? I get it it is Bushes fault.

Not saying it's all Bush's fault. Just saying that if Bush had actually done what he campaigned on and not been such a fuck-up, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.

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I agree that Bush's low numbers and the colapse of the economy had some to do with Obama being elected, unfortunately the president takes the blame for the good and the bad even if it is not his fault. the problems we have today were caused by both parties and it is tough to determine which party is more at fault. more or less, the stupidity of the people and the lack of objectivity from the press is mostly what got Obama elected, not Bush.

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the drive by media helps him get away with it.
look at Gitmo,, when he sees the secret files on it. he realizes that it is not a bunch of junior high school kids being held there.. they are a big problem and Gitmo wont be closed. will they call him on it ??? No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they idiots always have to bring up Bush...
news alert: he is gone, man,, he is retired !!! he is irrelevant now, man !!! get it ?? he is gone !!!

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yep I am an extreme right wing, naxi, terrorist, lieing gun toting racist

Me too me too

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

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? what does Obama lies have to do with Bush? I get it it is Bushes fault.

Not saying it's all Bush's fault. Just saying that if Bush had actually done what he campaigned on and not been such a fuck-up, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.

Seen email with the Bush picture captioned: "Do you miss me now"? Lot of my liberal friends did not find it funny. Of course, they are a minority.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

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? what does Obama lies have to do with Bush? I get it it is Bushes fault.

Not saying it's all Bush's fault. Just saying that if Bush had actually done what he campaigned on and not been such a fuck-up, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.

Seen email with the Bush picture captioned: "Do you miss me now"? Lot of my liberal friends did not find it funny. Of course, they are a minority.

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it is amazing how time can clear the fog

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you would be correct and I agree, but this thread was about Obama lies.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

Your Obama lies are a joke. As for Bush, it's waaaaaaaaaay bigger than that. If it makes you feel good to blame Bush, go ahead, but I could name names for quite a while as to who are really the problems.

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Not saying it's all Bush's fault. Just saying that if Bush had actually done what he campaigned on and not been such a fuck-up, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.

Shhhhhhh, no one tell him that Bush couldn't run for a third term.

The Republicans have ignored and/or disrespected Hispanics, Blacks, gays, poor people, middle class people, religious zealots and virtually everyone but rednecks. WHat did Bush do or not do to ruin it for the R's? It's waaaaaaaaay bigger.

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Of course, they are a minority.

Yea, a 52% minority to your 45% majority.

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Of course, they are a minority.

Yea, a 52% minority to your 45% majority.

You haven't accounted for the enlightened ones who jump ship. Wait till the troops come home.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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You all lie.

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Here is a nice liar's scorecard from rushmc's recommended fact checking site.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/

Looks like the Republicans and their mouthpieces are way in the lead.

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Shhhhhhh, no one tell him that Bush couldn't run for a third term.

Where'd you get "re-elect" bush from that? You really hunting that hard for an insult?

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The Republicans have ignored and/or disrespected Hispanics, Blacks, gays, poor people, middle class people, religious zealots and virtually everyone but rednecks. WHat did Bush do or not do to ruin it for the R's? It's waaaaaaaaay bigger.

More of your "data"?

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I agree that Bush's low numbers and the colapse of the economy had some to do with Obama being elected, unfortunately the president takes the blame for the good and the bad even if it is not his fault. the problems we have today were caused by both parties and it is tough to determine which party is more at fault. more or less, the stupidity of the people and the lack of objectivity from the press is mostly what got Obama elected, not Bush.

I think Bush has ended up taking alot of economic blame that should rest solely with the fed, but it doesn't really make any difference now.

I'll agree that it's tough to determine which party is more at fault, but in all honestly, I don't think it really matters anymore. Arguing about it just keeps the attention away from the fact that nothing's changed.

Anyway, to stay on the topic, the "Obama lie" that annoys me the most is this one:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/234/allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-b/

He's not only not done what he said he was going to do, he's done the exact opposite.

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Obama's Phony Healthcare Horror Stories

Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:58 AM


WASHINGTON -- One of President Barack Obama's health care "horror stories" is about a woman who, he says, lost her health insurance on the verge of breast cancer surgery because she didn't disclose a case of acne to the insurer. That's not what happened.


Robin Lynn Beaton, 59, of Waxahachie, Texas, indeed had her insurance suspended and then terminated when she needed it the most. Hers is a cautionary tale about how an insurance company can act in a seemingly arbitrary manner to revoke coverage for lifesaving treatment.


But not for the reasons Obama cites.


She "was about to get a double mastectomy when her insurance company canceled her policy because she forgot to declare a case of acne," he said in one telling.


Beaton did not lose her insurance because she failed to own up to a skin problem in her past. She lost it because, when enrolling in the plan, she had not reported a previous heart condition and did not list her weight accurately.


Obama tells stories of real-life hardships repeatedly, in his speech to a joint session of Congress, in interviews and at his citizen meetings across the country in support of his campaign to rework medical insurance. Beaton's case is just one cited by Obama that mixes fact with fiction.


In reflexively blaming insurance companies, Obama is playing into fears that have become a frightening reality for many Americans. Health insurance under the current system is not always the rock-solid guarantee you think you're paying for.


Especially, it turns out, when you don't fill everything out just right.


In Beaton's case, the insurance company opened an investigation after her visit to a dermatologist and just before her scheduled breast cancer surgery, forcing postponement of her operation almost on the eve of it. The earlier problems on her enrollment form were discovered and her coverage was canceled.


To some lawmakers, that's outrageous enough — never mind the acne story.


Rep. Joe Barton, Beaton's Republican congressman in Texas, fought the insurer until it restored her coverage, enabling her to get the surgery 10 weeks after it was postponed. She told The Associated Press she owes Barton and his aides her life.


But somewhere along the way, Beaton's case became a White House tale of an insurer canceling coverage because she forgot to report acne.


It's become a political imperative to find real-life examples of people helped or hurt by the issue of the day. People relate more easily to a story than to abstract policy.


But such stories often suffer in the retelling. Corners are cut, complicated situations made sound-bite simple.


It has long been so. Ronald Reagan's "welfare queen" was a politically expedient exaggeration of a real case of welfare fraud. In last year's presidential campaign, scrutiny revealed that Joe the Plumber was likely to benefit from Obama's tax plans, not be hurt by them as Republicans alleged.


Even in his painstakingly prepared speech to Congress, Obama got some material facts wrong.


He said an Illinois man died because his insurance company found an undisclosed case of gallstones in his past, canceled his insurance and delayed a stem-cell transplant for his cancer. The man did lose his insurance, but got it back retroactively and had treatment that his family says extended his life for nearly four years.


Beaton opened an antique shop after retiring as a nurse, and in December 2007 signed up for individual insurance from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas.


She says she thought nothing of a fast-heartbeat episode that had prompted an earlier doctor's visit, and the resulting heart medication she stopped taking two years ago, and did not report that on the enrollment form.


The form asks applicants to list heart conditions and a wide variety of other conditions experienced in the past 10 years, any physician consultations in the last five years, any medication taken in the last year, and more.


Also, Beaton said in an interview, "I wrote down like five pounds less than I weighed," joking that's the sort of mild rounding down that many women do. She is not obese.


In the spring of 2008, Beaton visited a dermatologist. "My face began to break out," she said. "All it was, truly, honestly, was pimples."


The doctor diagnosed mild rosacea, sometimes called adult acne, and seborrheic keratosis, a benign and common skin growth.


Beaton says the visit nevertheless raised a red flag because a notation in her records was misconstrued as meaning precancerous.


Beaton says she's convinced "the acne is what started everything," meaning the insurance company scrutiny. Because she'd had her insurance for months, the acne was not a pre-existing condition that could have imperiled her policy.


Whatever the case, her breast cancer diagnosis that quickly followed surely would have prompted a similar review of her files.


On the Friday before her cancer surgery, she was told her insurance company was opening the investigation and would not pay for her operation before that was concluded, she said. That suspended the surgery.


"They searched high and low for a reason to cancel me," she said.


The insurer retrieved records from a cardiologist pointing to her unreported heart condition. Then, in an Aug. 22, 2008, letter, the company listed four questions it said she answered inaccurately on her form and a fifth that was insufficiently addressed.


As a result, wrote the insurer, "your coverage is rescinded as of 12/04/07, the original effective date of your policy."


Barton's aides in Texas and Washington had been trying to get Beaton's insurance restored since its suspension in July, without success. But five days after it was finally canceled, Barton called the company president directly, said the lawmaker's spokesman, Sean Brown.


Among the points raised: The possibility of a news conference drawing attention to the case. Barton also said he might name a bill after Robin Beaton.


Four hours later, Barton said, he got a call saying her insurance would be reinstated.


The lawmaker acknowledges Beaton misreported her weight and did not disclose a prior heart problem. But it was wrong, he said, for her coverage to be canceled when she desperately needed treatment for a disease unrelated to those matters.


"To be denied coverage right before potentially lifesaving surgery quite frankly is something that no human being should have to undergo," he said.


Barton is a conservative who is no fan of Obama's health care plans. Still, he's pushing legislation to preserve insurance for people like Beaton when they need treatment for a serious illness that's not related to undisclosed conditions on their sign-up form.


Beaton had her surgery in October 2008, by which time, she said, her tumor had tripled in size.


Clinging to her restored insurance, she is undergoing regular chemotherapy and says she needs back surgery, hip replacement and another round of breast reconstruction.





© 2009 Associated Press.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln