philh 0 #26 October 9, 2009 "The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong," Anyone spot something a bit dodgy? Why would you go to a hong Kong branch of an arab bank to find out what their respective governments are doing? As far I can see there is no evidence whatsover to back up this story. The sources are ludicrous. Indeed this story has been denied by the Saudi central bank governor . Its easy for a lazy journalist to make a scare and it seems ever easier to fall for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #27 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs a start, it would be good to work on some basic skills, such as proper spelling. Cool idea! I dont see how that will fix the value of the dollar. Can you shed some light on that for us? QuoteAnd, how many of your fellow countrymen would be prepared to work for a salary below the minimum wage, as most of the illegals are doing actually? Can you show us your stats on this? I will bet you that you are wrong on this. I know a little bit about this and you have no proof. Most illegals get paid above min. wage! which implies that the minimum wage is far too low... Quotemaybe we should raise minimum wage and then lay off 1 in 5 workers to pay for the raises. or maybe we can raise prices on products in an already depressed market. Or maybe people need to live within their budget or work some more hours at a blue collar job. It is not everyones right to have xbox and a big screen tv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #28 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAs a start, it would be good to work on some basic skills, such as proper spelling. Cool idea! I dont see how that will fix the value of the dollar. Can you shed some light on that for us? QuoteAnd, how many of your fellow countrymen would be prepared to work for a salary below the minimum wage, as most of the illegals are doing actually? Can you show us your stats on this? I will bet you that you are wrong on this. I know a little bit about this and you have no proof. Most illegals get paid above min. wage! which implies that the minimum wage is far too low... Quotemaybe we should raise minimum wage and then lay off 1 in 5 workers to pay for the raises. or maybe we can raise prices on products in an already depressed market. maybe you should raise the minimum wage to a level us workers think is fair and will work for - and then you won't have such a huge demand for migrant labour...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #29 October 9, 2009 ? you will need to explain this one to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 October 9, 2009 Quotemaybe we should raise minimum wage and then lay off 1 in 5 workers to pay for the raises. or maybe we can raise prices on products in an already depressed market. absolutely - then you can tax the 4 workers to provide welfare for the 1. after the government and ACORN take their share - then all 5 will actually get less money each. but at least minimum wage was raised ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #31 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuotemaybe we should raise minimum wage and then lay off 1 in 5 workers to pay for the raises. or maybe we can raise prices on products in an already depressed market. absolutely - then you can tax the 4 workers to provide welfare for the 1. after the government and ACORN take their share - then all 5 will actually get less money each. but at least minimum wage was raised but but but but but but Obama is a nobel peace prize winner he will fix everything! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #32 October 9, 2009 Quote ? you will need to explain this one to me what bit don't you follow?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #33 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuote ? you will need to explain this one to me what bit don't you follow? Quotethe part that you (and many like you) think that everyone deserves to just show up to work and collect a paycheck that will buy them big screen tv and a xbox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #34 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote ? you will need to explain this one to me what bit don't you follow? Quotethe part that you (and many like you) think that everyone deserves to just show up to work and collect a paycheck that will buy them big screen tv and a xbox. are you another one of those stereotypical suicidal daredevil skydivers...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #35 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote ? you will need to explain this one to me what bit don't you follow? Quotethe part that you (and many like you) think that everyone deserves to just show up to work and collect a paycheck that will buy them big screen tv and a xbox. are you another one of those stereotypical suicidal daredevil skydivers... Quotewhat does that have to do with anything? Because I have earned the money to play? because I have cut grass, worked at burger king, had a second or third job to pay for what I have and do what its takes to pay my bills(not let others pay for my way through lfe). no job is beneath me or to hard to take care of myself and family. I have never collected welfare or unemployment. Never let the government pay for my food or home. I will do any job just because I have pride in the fact that I don not suck the life out of others hard work so I can sit back and watch my big screen tv. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #36 October 9, 2009 Quote"The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong," Anyone spot something a bit dodgy? Why would you go to a hong Kong branch of an arab bank to find out what their respective governments are doing? As far I can see there is no evidence whatsover to back up this story. The sources are ludicrous. Indeed this story has been denied by the Saudi central bank governor . Its easy for a lazy journalist to make a scare and it seems ever easier to fall for it. Right. And who was the OP??"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #37 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote ? you will need to explain this one to me what bit don't you follow? Quotethe part that you (and many like you) think that everyone deserves to just show up to work and collect a paycheck that will buy them big screen tv and a xbox. are you another one of those stereotypical suicidal daredevil skydivers... Quotewhat does that have to do with anything? Because I have earned the money to play? because I have cut grass, worked at burger king, had a second or third job to pay for what I have and do what its takes to pay my bills(not let others pay for my way through lfe). no job is beneath me or to hard to take care of myself and family. I have never collected welfare or unemployment. Never let the government pay for my food or home. I will do any job just because I have pride in the fact that I don not suck the life out of others hard work so I can sit back and watch my big screen tv. would you work as a guard in a concentration camp?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #38 October 9, 2009 >I know a little bit about this and you have no proof. Most illegals get >paid above min. wage! If we replaced every illegal worker in the US with a legal worker, do you think their average pay (as a group) would go up or go down? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #39 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteAs a start, it would be good to work on some basic skills, such as proper spelling. Cool idea! I dont see how that will fix the value of the dollar. Can you shed some light on that for us? QuoteAnd, how many of your fellow countrymen would be prepared to work for a salary below the minimum wage, as most of the illegals are doing actually? Can you show us your stats on this? I will bet you that you are wrong on this. I know a little bit about this and you have no proof. Most illegals get paid above min. wage! How do you know this? Do you hire illegals in your business? Why would any business owners risk prosecution by hiring illegals if they could hire American workers for the same wage? Enquiring minds want to know.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #40 October 9, 2009 Quote which implies that the minimum wage is far too low... Cool lets see if they will raise the min. wage so more company's will lay off more people Great idea!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #41 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote which implies that the minimum wage is far too low... Cool lets see if they will raise the min. wage so more company's will lay off more people Great idea! Then they'll only lay off American workers because, according to you, "Most illegals get paid above min. wage!"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #42 October 9, 2009 Quote>I know a little bit about this and you have no proof. Most illegals get >paid above min. wage! If we replaced every illegal worker in the US with a legal worker, do you think their average pay (as a group) would go up or go down? I dont think there are enough unemployed (legal citizens that are willed or able to work) people in the US to cover all of the job's that are curently held by illegals, but if there was then overall amount made by that group would go up slightly. Due to the fact that there are some employers out there that do take advantage of the illegals. But most employer's are paying above min. wage.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #43 October 9, 2009 QuoteHow do you know this? Do you hire illegals in your business? Why would any business owners risk prosecution by hiring illegals if they could hire American workers for the same wage? Enquiring minds want to know. No i do not but i have ran several company's (and know alot of other owner's) that hired mostly illegals due to the fact that the average illegal will work harder (in a manual labor job) than the avg. american. When a company hires legal workers i would say that 1 out of 5 turn out to work hard for there living. But if they hire illegals then it's closer to 4 out of 5 work hard for there living. They people i have worked for and know pay the illegal working the going rate that they would pay the legal worker. I guess they feel it's worth the risk. I have never asked them. But most company's i know of do tax the check's of the illegal's just as they would of the legal.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #44 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote Quote which implies that the minimum wage is far too low... Cool lets see if they will raise the min. wage so more company's will lay off more people Great idea! Then they'll only lay off American workers because, according to you, "Most illegals get paid above min. wage!" Actually if you check it out most people that earn min. wage are part time, and most are school students. The avg. person stay's at min. wage for 8 mounth's (or something close to that) before they start getting raises. Was your first job above min. wage? I know most people have to start somewere!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #45 October 9, 2009 QuoteBut most company's i know of do tax the check's of the illegal's just as they would of the legal.So in other words they're contributing taxes. Do you think they file for refunds, or are they generally too afraid? I don't think we should have a wide-open swinging door for immigration. But I don't really think they're the source of all of our budget problems either. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #46 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut most company's i know of do tax the check's of the illegal's just as they would of the legal.So in other words they're contributing taxes. Do you think they file for refunds, or are they generally too afraid? I don't think we should have a wide-open swinging door for immigration. But I don't really think they're the source of all of our budget problems either. Wendy P. From what i have noticed I dont think most file refunds. The problem is i think they clame more depedent's than they have since they wont be filing for a refund and there illegal. So they contribute some but not as much as they should. They are not the total source of our problem but they are a major part of it. That is a whole other topic but my opinion is that they way they hurt our economy is by welfare/SS/ and medical. Those are the main 3 as i see it.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #47 October 9, 2009 >but if there was then overall amount made by that group would go up >slightly. I agree. (I suspect it would be more than 'slightly' but I'll give you that.) One of the results of that would be an increased rate of inflation. That may be acceptable to achieve the desired result - but saying that "getting rid of illegals will help support the dollar" doesn't make much sense. (Not saying you said that; was answering Marks with that post.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #48 October 9, 2009 Quote>but if there was then overall amount made by that group would go up >slightly. I agree. (I suspect it would be more than 'slightly' but I'll give you that.) One of the results of that would be an increased rate of inflation. That may be acceptable to achieve the desired result - but saying that "getting rid of illegals will help support the dollar" doesn't make much sense. (Not saying you said that; was answering Marks with that post.) I understand where your coming from but it would cut down cost by alot! You cant get rid of all of the illegal's. The way our imigration policy's are we cant get enought legal imigrants here to cover the jobs that would be lost. This country has been shooting itself in the foot for year's ( 20+)with our imigration policy.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #49 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteHow do you know this? Do you hire illegals in your business? Why would any business owners risk prosecution by hiring illegals if they could hire American workers for the same wage? Enquiring minds want to know. No i do not but i have ran several company's (and know alot of other owner's) that hired mostly illegals due to the fact that the average illegal will work harder (in a manual labor job) than the avg. american. . If I understand your post correctly, you no longer hire illegals but companies you used to run did hire illegals because they work harder. Doesn't that make you rather a hypocrite?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #50 October 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut most company's i know of do tax the check's of the illegal's just as they would of the legal.So in other words they're contributing taxes. Do you think they file for refunds, or are they generally too afraid? I don't think we should have a wide-open swinging door for immigration. But I don't really think they're the source of all of our budget problems either. Wendy P. NOTE: This is based on what I heard on an NPR news report. I may have some of my facts wrong, and I welcome any correction. Actually they are perfectly within their rights filing returns. They can get a tax ID number from the IRS instead of a SS#. The IRS takes the taxes and keeps records that can't be shared with INS. Some illegals use the tax info in order to gain legal status. It shows that while they have been here, they have been productive and (except for their immigration status) law abiding residents."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
