yoink 321 #26 October 9, 2009 QuoteI just don’t get the reaction to the Olympics and the Nobel peace prize. We have people cheering when our team fails, and angry when our team wins a prize. I mean how obvious does it have to get? I am not saying he deserved to get the Nobel peace prize but we did win right? Unless you are more loyal to your party then your country it is a cause for celebrating. Only if you value the winning over everything else. Some people think that winning something without deserving it isn't worth anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #27 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteI just don’t get the reaction to the Olympics and the Nobel peace prize. We have people cheering when our team fails, and angry when our team wins a prize. I mean how obvious does it have to get? I am not saying he deserved to get the Nobel peace prize but we did win right? Unless you are more loyal to your party then your country it is a cause for celebrating. Only if you value the winning over everything else. Some people think that winning something without deserving it isn't worth anything. Who deserves to win is decided by the committee. Their prize, their decision.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #28 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI just don’t get the reaction to the Olympics and the Nobel peace prize. We have people cheering when our team fails, and angry when our team wins a prize. I mean how obvious does it have to get? I am not saying he deserved to get the Nobel peace prize but we did win right? Unless you are more loyal to your party then your country it is a cause for celebrating. Only if you value the winning over everything else. Some people think that winning something without deserving it isn't worth anything. Who deserves to win is decided by the committee. Their prize, their decision. No doubt. My values, My opinon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #29 October 9, 2009 Quote I think a lot of people have a deep love for what they wish their country would be. Unfortunately, being kinda big and diverse, it's not going to be what anyone wishes it were -- it's just going to be what it'll be. I don't see a lot of people, liberal or conservative, who think this is a brilliant well-deserved win. But that's a far cry from being unhappy about it. I'd be astounded if Louis Farrakhan were to win as well -- but still happy for him. Now Ann Coulter on the other hand . Nah -- her too. Wendy P. Would you be happy for anyone as long as they were an American?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #30 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI just don’t get the reaction to the Olympics and the Nobel peace prize. We have people cheering when our team fails, and angry when our team wins a prize. I mean how obvious does it have to get? I am not saying he deserved to get the Nobel peace prize but we did win right? Unless you are more loyal to your party then your country it is a cause for celebrating. Only if you value the winning over everything else. Some people think that winning something without deserving it isn't worth anything. Who deserves to win is decided by the committee. Their prize, their decision. No doubt. My values, My opinon. You are entitled to your opinion on who deserves the prize. Your opinion is totally irrelevant, but you are entitled to it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #31 October 9, 2009 QuoteHappy to report that I'm healthy and do not have that disease called Liberalism. I have to say I'm an American, but I'm damn sure I don't suffer from a mental disorder which is associated with Liberalism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #32 October 9, 2009 I believe in American Values first and foremost. I do not label myself Republican as I find parts of the Republican party disgusting (Primarily the Religious Right) but I am definitely conservative. Traditional American Values such as individual freedom, self-reliance, equality of opportunity, hard work, material wealth, and competition I hold much higher than any any Political Label. These are what comes first in my Book. I do not hate Obama. He is my president and I respect the office he holds. I do oppose some of the ideals that he represents as they contradict what I believe are the core principals of this nation. The Office of President was not given the Nobel prize, Obama was given the Award. I do not cheer this award simply because the MAN B.O. has not yet done anything that would justify this Honor. I though Carter was possibly one of the the worst president in American History Domestically (Double Digit Inflation, Astronomical Interest Rates, No Economic Growth, Poor response to the Iran Hostage Crisis), Yet I understand why he was Given the Nobel Prize and he did deserve it for the work he did to bring Peace to the Middle east. Obama has not accomplished much of anything as president and certainly not anything that would warrant one of the worlds highest Honors for promoting Peace. I hope that he would be deserving of this award by the time his term ends. That would be great for everyone and certainly something to be celebrated regardless of Political Beliefs.. However he has not yet earned that award. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #33 October 9, 2009 > but I'm damn sure I don't suffer from a mental disorder which is associated with Liberalism. Careful! You have admitted in another thread that you are starting to share liberal values. Sounds like you might indeed 'suffer' a bit from its effects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #34 October 9, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I just don’t get the reaction to the Olympics and the Nobel peace prize. We have people cheering when our team fails, and angry when our team wins a prize. I mean how obvious does it have to get? I am not saying he deserved to get the Nobel peace prize but we did win right? Unless you are more loyal to your party then your country it is a cause for celebrating. Only if you value the winning over everything else. Some people think that winning something without deserving it isn't worth anything. Who deserves to win is decided by the committee. Their prize, their decision. No doubt. My values, My opinon. You are entitled to your opinion on who deserves the prize. Your opinion is totally irrelevant, but you are entitled to it. Gee, thanks! The original post was asking why people would feel aggrieved that Obama won the peace prize - not whether he deserved it, or won it legitimately. I've provided a possible rationale for that feeling, which can only be based on opinion and personal moral values - those being the basis of emotion. So while the opinion is irrelevent to the outcome of the prize, it's entirely relevant to the topic of the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #35 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteBlinded by hatred? Wrong! disgusted with incompetence. So party first, country second. Thanks - got it. I don't see where he said that, it appears to be your bais' interpretation of his statement. I agree with what pretty much everyone else said to the OP wrt why it is not deserved. I'm not looking at purely wins and losses, we don't all live by a pluses and minuses 'victory ledger.' Some of us choose to ask 'why?' Both parties let us down frequently with the answer to that question. To me, the more things a government tries to DO, the more frequently they will disappoint. I think Obama is wondering why the heck he got it, I think it may make him nervous because he knows it is undeserved judging by what he said in his speech. He will obviously keep it positive because he has to, the guy is very good with words.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #36 October 9, 2009 QuoteWow - amazing how many are so blinded by hatred that they miss the point of the question entirely - who cares who the current administration is (Bush, Obama, Regan, or otherwise) Darius, I'm proud of this countries successes, and I share sadness for our failures too. Republican, Democrat, Independent, whatever, I don't care. We should all be proud of our successes, and strive to overcome our failures. Ironic, I wasn't even born here (but am a citizen) - I worked hard to become one too, and it's not something I take lightly. I wish some of my 'countrymen' shared that. Ian Ian thank you for getting it. I didn’t agree with a single thing Bush did. I was against the Iraq war before it was even started, however I was not happy to see are troops get killed, and for us to fail. I was hoping I was wrong. It didn’t make me happy when a shoe was thrown at GWB I found my self angry. Because he might have been the worst president ever but he was our president. No matter how stupid the coaches decision was I knew which team was mine. That’s the problem I have. That people hate Obama so much that they cheer when our country fails. To me that is treason. I am all for discussion, disagreements, and debate. But if you want America to fail you have the same goal as Osama and maybe should think about moving.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtravrtsoul 0 #37 October 9, 2009 This whole thing is based on what the decisions to be made by Obama. It came to a surprise for him as well and I truly believe after watching his speech that even he thinks and says he does not deserve this but is grateful. For the reasons why he received the prize comes at a critical time that concerns the world not just us. Right now is when he is deciding what to do with Afghanistan and now he has to live up to the reasons he received the Peace Prize.You create life, life does not create you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #38 October 9, 2009 Quote I think a lot of people have a deep love for what they wish their country would be. Unfortunately, being kinda big and diverse, it's not going to be what anyone wishes it were -- it's just going to be what it'll be. I don't see a lot of people, liberal or conservative, who think this is a brilliant well-deserved win. But that's a far cry from being unhappy about it. I'd be astounded if Louis Farrakhan were to win as well -- but still happy for him. Now Ann Coulter on the other hand . Nah -- her too. Wendy P. To me the president is even more important. He is our elected leader, but I agree with your point. Like I said I don’t get it. We had people clapping when we didn’t get the Olympics, and pissed that he got a reward he did not deserve. I don’t get it, unless all the people mad about this were in the running for the NPP.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #39 October 9, 2009 QuoteI'm an individual. How about you? I'm against group identity politics. Yes Tom good so am i. But i do have eyes and i can see the reaction of the right. And one has to wonder. The right is known for talking about being patriotic yet its people who call themselves republican who cheer when we fail, it a republican radio host called the leader of the party by 13 million that says he hopes Obama fails. So that leads to my question. Are you so loyal to your party that you would be disloyal to your country? It’s not a trick question. It’s one to examine where you stand. I already have been trough this. The last 8 years I disagreed with almost every thing GWB did, however not once did I feel happy when I saw we had lost something, and not once was I mad when I felt we had won or achieved something.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #40 October 9, 2009 QuoteI'm proud to be American. I'm also registered as an independent (for a very long time now). Both the Republican and Democratic party have failed our country. Me too (not as long as you have only been a citizen 5 years), and agreed we need a 3rd or 10th partysI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #41 October 9, 2009 >So the question is do you support America, or your party? Who comes first in your book? I am glad you ask this. I used to consider a national poitical identity, in fact I have a thread here on the subject. But lately after the recent war, the economic decline, all the non productive vitriol in Washington, the obvious good o'l boys network local politics I deal with in my town. My ass hole flag waving neighbors AND The elitist attitude of the so called liberals in the alternative energy initiative I try to work with. A am just another human trying to scratch out a living in the world and I now support only my own survival.... until further notice.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #42 October 9, 2009 QuoteWould you be happy for anyone as long as they were an American? Thats the point he is not just any one. He is our elected leader.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #43 October 9, 2009 Quote Are you so loyal to your party that you would be disloyal to your country? It’s not a trick question. I'm loyal to neither. Imagine the question with the names changed, and asked to an Iranian who supports a reform candidate. I mean, the reform candidates are just fomenting unrest, right? Are you so loyal to the reformists that you'd be disloyal to your country? Despite your protestation, that's definitely a "trick" question.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 October 9, 2009 Quote In general, I think it's almost impossible to characterize a success or failure as belonging to "America." Successes or failures belong to individuals, and are measured relative to their personal goals. It's very easy to hope an individual fails in attaining a personal goal you find repugnant, even (or perhaps especially) if they are in a position of authority in a government you are subject to. WHAT? Individualism, rejection of stereotypes and groupthink.... HOW DARE YOU SIR!!! what kind of ____ist crap are you promoting..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #45 October 9, 2009 Quote In democracy/representative republic, the government cannot fail its citizens unless its citizens first fail their government. take your pick... which are we? though I wouldn't say that the citizens fail the government. I would say that they've failed each other, and those that fought to establish this country.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #46 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI just don’t get the reaction to the Olympics and the Nobel peace prize. We have people cheering when our team fails, and angry when our team wins a prize. I mean how obvious does it have to get? I am not saying he deserved to get the Nobel peace prize but we did win right? Unless you are more loyal to your party then your country it is a cause for celebrating. Only if you value the winning over everything else. Some people think that winning something without deserving it isn't worth anything. Who deserves to win is decided by the committee. Their prize, their decision. blah blah blah... you've already established that your opinion is meaningless-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #47 October 9, 2009 QuoteQuote In democracy/representative republic, the government cannot fail its citizens unless its citizens first fail their government. take your pick... which are we? We (the USA) are a representative republic, but I included both government types because it applies to both government types.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #48 October 9, 2009 QuoteHappy to report that I'm healthy and do not have that disease called Liberalism. Yes, instead we have a condition called debt that wasn't an issue until Regan showed other neo-con politicians how to blow it out and justify it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #49 October 9, 2009 QuoteI have lost all respect for the Nobel Prize. Honestly, did you really have a lot before this? Other than Carter, could you name another recipient w/o doing a google? QuoteHow the hell can Obama be even slightly qualified to get that prize. Because he is black and won the presidency? What % of all other winners are black? I don't see this as a prerequisite. That element is void. QuoteHe only won because anyone with an IQ smaller than an ashtray would never have voted for someone with his qualifications. He won largely for the same reason Carter won; the US was tired of corrupt Republican policies. Quit blaming others for the shortcomings of the Repub Party. The debt from 900B in 1981 is virtually all due to Repub policies and presidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #50 October 9, 2009 QuoteBut if you want America to fail you have the same goal as Osama and maybe should think about moving. That sums it up. IMO this is something that anyone, regardless of political affiliation, can embrace. We can debate "how" to not fail, but we should never, ever, cheer when we do. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
