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QuoteQuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
That may keep kids from getting to far down the family tree but i dont see its relivence here.
it seems to be highly relevant - are you saying they shouldn't learn their history?
WTF? Try reading what i wrote
Try actualy looking at the issue in your country instead of acting like you know what is going on in ours
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Where do you teach in S. Dallas? I graduated at Carter in '97 as one of the 5 white kids 
in the whole 5a school. But spent most of schooling in Lancaster.
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Ok, its only a suggestion... How about finding some successful educated men and women who started off in the same/similar areas, with no/low education and worked their way through to qualifications. Have a couple of evenings for the parents where these people talk about how they have benifited from eduction and the difference its made to thier lives.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
That may keep kids from getting to far down the family tree but i dont see its relivence here.
it seems to be highly relevant - are you saying they shouldn't learn their history?
WTF? Try reading what i wrote
Try actualy looking at the issue in your country instead of acting like you know what is going on in ours Get a life!
you don't think teaching the history of slavery is a good idea?
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you don't think teaching the history of slavery is a good idea?
As long as it is taught in proper context. America was not the only country doing this. Likewise, you didn't see white cotton farmers running around in Africa rounding up slaves. It was blacks themselves that were selling other blacks into slavery. Look at what is still going on in Africa today.
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The book Whatever It Takes discusses the program. It may provide someusualuseful ideas for your friend.
Fixed that. Hope it's useful.
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I ordered the book for Reggie yesterday. Thanks very much for the recommendation.
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How about finding some successful educated men and women who started off in the same/similar areas, with no/low education and worked their way through to qualifications.
Reggie works in a town called Pleasantville. The kids he deals with are being shipped out of New York City. On an express train, that's about a 45 minute commute, excluding the taxi ride from the Pleasantville train station to the "school". My point is, Reggie doesn't know the neighborhoods/people these kids are growing up in. Nor will the kid or parents know these successful people.
This is a great idea, and I've been considering your post since last night. How can Reggie find out the successful people who emerged from the multiple inner city neighborhoods he's dealing with?
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
That may keep kids from getting to far down the family tree but i dont see its relivence here.
it seems to be highly relevant - are you saying they shouldn't learn their history?
WTF? Try reading what i wroteTry actualy looking at the issue in your country instead of acting like you know what is going on in ours
you don't think teaching the history of slavery is a good idea?
You are so wrapped up in racism that the point is going right over your head. "I don't know who my grandpa is so I'm going to be a drug dealing prostitute" is an excuse. What's going to help the groups living in poverty is education, positive role models, and just a big glass of "act right". The hip-hop culture, which is modeled after prison life, is the biggest deterrent of progress today in the black communities.
"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
That may keep kids from getting to far down the family tree but i dont see its relivence here.
it seems to be highly relevant - are you saying they shouldn't learn their history?
WTF? Try reading what i wrote
you don't think teaching the history of slavery is a good idea?
You are so wrapped up in racism that the point is going right over your head. "I don't know who my grandpa is so I'm going to be a drug dealing prostitute" is an excuse. What's going to help the groups living in poverty is education, positive role models, and just a big glass of "act right". The hip-hop culture, which is modeled after prison life, is the biggest deterrent of progress today in the black communities.
i think you'll find institutional racism is the biggest deterrent of progress in the black communities...
stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
That may keep kids from getting to far down the family tree but i dont see its relivence here.
it seems to be highly relevant - are you saying they shouldn't learn their history?
WTF? Try reading what i wrote
you don't think teaching the history of slavery is a good idea?
You are so wrapped up in racism that the point is going right over your head. "I don't know who my grandpa is so I'm going to be a drug dealing prostitute" is an excuse. What's going to help the groups living in poverty is education, positive role models, and just a big glass of "act right". The hip-hop culture, which is modeled after prison life, is the biggest deterrent of progress today in the black communities.
i think you'll find institutional racism is the biggest deterrent of progress in the black communities...
And this is the fundamental difference in our view points. You believe that the black man will never amount to anything because the system is set up to keep him down.
I believe that if he belts his pants up over his ass, studies hard in school, and stays off drugs, he can become president of the United States.
Institution versus personal responsibility. Who sounds racist here? You make the call.
"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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Quoteyou don't think teaching the history of slavery is a good idea?
Once again you are way off in left field! The topic at hand will not be fixed by noing ones history. Maybe once you realize the true history of slavery you can actually contribute with fact's on a topic that has anything to do with slavery. This one has nothing to do with slavery!
Nothing opens like a Deere!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
QuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
this was the first mention of slavery...
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QuoteQuoteFor 300 years, slave owners in our country and others would deliberately sell the mother and father away from their kids. Some familial lines are still struggling with this legacy.
this was the first mention of slavery...
Yes then I said you said
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That may keep kids from getting to far down the family tree but i dont see its relivence here.
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it seems to be highly relevant - are you saying they shouldn't learn their history?
So no it is still not relevant.... Your wrong get over it!
Nothing opens like a Deere!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
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Quotei think you'll find institutional racism is the biggest deterrent of progress in the black communities...
And this is the fundamental difference in our view points. You believe that the black man will never amount to anything because the system is set up to keep him down.
I believe that if he belts his pants up over his ass, studies hard in school, and stays off drugs, he can become president of the United States.
Institution versus personal responsibility. Who sounds racist here? You make the call.
Some degree of institutionalized racism seems to be in existence everywhere I've been. For people that perceive it as being a dominant force in their environment, it can create a belief that there is no way out. For their behavior to change, that fundamental belief must change first.
Seek to understand.
Assume good intentions (they are trying to survive based on what they believe to be true).
Gain trust, lead by example, and show that there is another way to live.
The earlier post about what is normal is spot on. I've used that before. The problem is that some of those things might be normal in their environment. Again, any program must begin by examining fundamental beliefs.
As far as the parents go; that is tough. Kids are at least mallable; even the hard cases will open up to possibilities given exposure, coaching, and some options. Parents as a whole are far more resistant; beliefs being much closer to what I call locked in.
Any program that can crack the cycle gets my vote.
A person's life is the perfect manifestation of what they believe to be true.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
I couldn't agree more. I teach at a high school in south Dallas, and a major issue with too many kids at my school is the pregnancy rate (which you can obviously see, but the STD rate has to be a factor as well).
(I know I'm gonna get lit up for saying this but....)I think that the cultural rejection (maybe not the right word) of abortion as an option is doing many of my kids no good, and is creating a sort of snowball effect. When 14 year old high school students have 2 kids someone has to be there to say, "Hold on, this isn't okay. We are already living below the poverty line. What kind of life is my baby's baby going to have?"
Speaking to your point about kids in these types of environments playing the victim, and thinking that things that happen in the neighborhoods they live in is normal, Ras Baraka summed up the problem well when talking to his students:
"You living this life like it's normal. It is abnormal to go to school to talk about your friends dying, to not be able to walk home safely from school, to be jumped every other day, to fail everything, to live in squalor, to have people's parents coming outside fighting with them in the middle of the street.
This is not normal to be going to the hospital every other week, to be wearing t-shirts that say Rest in Peace, to be writing rest in peace on the wall. This is not normal. It's not normal. And nobody else's children do this."
Zach
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