Another stupid school board

[kallend 2,026]

abcnews.go.com/GMA/zachary-christie-suspended-bringing-camping-utensil-school/story?id=8812939

Jeez!

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[Thanatos340 1]

I could not agree with you more. We should have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance Policies!!

At some point Common sense has to be applied.

[lawrocket 3]

I'm shocked they haven't called CPS. A parent thaÞ would give the kid access to a knife? Surely we cannot tolerate such a thing. We've gotta search the house and burn the Ayn Rand books.

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[SkyChimp 0]

Next will be the public schools having TSA at every entrance stopping the kids from being more than 6 oz. containers for fluids too. This is ridiculous!!! A Swiss Army Knife isn't a MAC-10 Uzi

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

[Andy9o8 2]

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A Swiss Army Knife isn't a MAC-10 Uzi

No, it's more akin to a small, concealable box-cutter. Can't do much mischief with those, can you?

OK, the school board was stupid. In fact, I like stupid school boards - they make for great threads.

[MrDree 0]

"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble," 6-year-old Zachary said. "I was just trying to eat lunch with it."


Brilliant!

"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching."

Dudeist Skydiver #101

[SkyChimp 0]

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"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble," 6-year-old Zachary said. "I was just trying to eat lunch with it."


Brilliant!

Gee.... that sounds like a perfectly normal American boy to me. Shame on the school board if they made this child feel that what he did was horrific or if he now condemns himself with shame.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

[marks2065 0]

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"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble," 6-year-old Zachary said. "I was just trying to eat lunch with it."


Brilliant!

Gee.... that sounds like a perfectly normal American boy to me. Shame on the school board if they made this child feel that what he did was horrific or if he now condemns himself with shame.

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stupid people teaching kids to be stupid. I still say that those that can do and those that can't teach and are children are the result of those that can't.

[MrDree 0]

That's what's so brilliant: with this one simple statement, that 6-year old boy shows a lot more common sense than the bunch of dumbasses of the school board!

"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching."

Dudeist Skydiver #101

[JohnDeere 0]

Wow how pathetic some people are!

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You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[dks13827 3]

Can't wait until these idiots run and control NEARLY EVERYTHING !!!!!!!!!!!! ( VERY SOON, TOO !!! )

[rehmwa 2]

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I still say that those that can do and those that can't teach and are children are the result of those that can't.

sorry to pick on yours, mark, but this sentence in a school thread really does speak to my sense of humorous irony

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[pirana 0]

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I still say that those that can do and those that can't teach and are children are the result of those that can't.

sorry to pick on yours, mark, but this sentence in a school thread really does speak to my sense of humorous irony

Such a critic. Throw in a couple more thats and a sprinkling of commas and it'll be good to go. The are/our mixup does however call for a Funk & Wagnalls review.

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[kallend 2,026]

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"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble," 6-year-old Zachary said. "I was just trying to eat lunch with it."


Brilliant!

Gee.... that sounds like a perfectly normal American boy to me. Shame on the school board if they made this child feel that what he did was horrific or if he now condemns himself with shame.

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stupid people teaching kids to be stupid. I still say that those that can do and those that can't teach and are children are the result of those that can't.

It was a SCHOOL BOARD policy, nothing to do with teachers.

School boards are made up of members of the community like you.

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I find some solace in knowing we all have the ability to overcome our education.

[xtravrtsoul 0]

I saw this report this morning and I have mixed emotions.

Having a kid in school and how I have had to deal with the system of schools, I can say the school systems need tons of improvements. (And thank you to all the teachers who give so much of themselves to teach our kids
A child that owns a swiss army knife and it was given to him for the scouts should be fully aware that it is not to be brought to school. The parents of this child should not allow him to have access of this knife as well for him to get to it at any point unless for the appropriate reasons such as the scouts trips or camping and supervised. :my opinion:
Yes he made a simple mistake by taking it to eat, shows me he was not taught the importance and dangers of this piece of this equipment. I don't know the parents of course to say they did not teach him; is not right. But as a parent who has a son and he was in the scouts at that age, knew weapons of any sort including swiss army knives were not allowed in schools and that he would get in serious trouble no matter what age he was.

As for the school responding with this suspension; I feel was too harsh. This kid did act innocently just from his statement he made, you can see that. I feel the school should have spoke to the child as well the parents with a counselor to expain the issue of bringing this in. Not suspend him for 45 days and may have to go to a reform school. The parents are reasponsible for let him have the access to this swiss army knife that this 6 year old thought was an innocent thing.

Ok my rant is over.
Done and next.

Oh and my son agrees with me (who is now a teen) that the parents in the first place should've had the control of this swiss army knife. He said that a child at that age would think it was cool and take it because of all the little do-dads on the knife not to take it because it is a weapon and a bad thing. He would know he is a kid and remembers better than we do what it is like to think like a 6 year old.

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[rehmwa 2]

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I feel the school should have spoke to the child as well the parents with a counselor to expain the issue of bringing this in.

better, but still nuts - still overkill

ONE teacher could have seen the pocket knife, gone over to the kid and confiscated it until the end of the day (or just told the kid to put it away and not bring it back again). Then same teacher could just call the parents and let them know what's up so they can followup with their kid.

No 'explanation' to the kid needed other than that's the rule. That's for the parents to decide how much to tell the kid vs just emphasizing their authority in the matter.

I don't know what it means for the "the school" to talk to a parent - some creepy possessed talking building?

Or how a 'counselor' adds to the discussion. Counselors used to be people that helped kids pick colleges and work through application processes for higher education. Not a bunch of sociologist/psychs - the teachers used to be allowed to handle that stuff.


cripes - we could bring pocket knives in and did all the time. Same with guns during hunting season (though the guns were locked up in the office all day and not allowed as eating utensils........)

We tie the hands of the teachers so bad that all that is left is mostly the fanatical political moonbats that'll put up with it. Any teacher that wants to be empowered to do a good job is just scared off by the impotency of the job.

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[wmw999 2,439]

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ONE teacher could have seen the pocket knife, gone over to the kid and confiscated it until the end of the day (or just told the kid to put it away and not bring it back again). Then same teacher could just call the parents and let them know what's up so they can followup with their kid.

Sounds like a plan. For younger kids, it simply removes the potentially threatening item, and that's what's needed.

For older kids, it adds the embarrassment of having their parents know, which is also needed

The most potent punishment my son ever had in school was having to call me in the middle of the day over a misdeed. The teacher said he was begging her the whole way as she walked him to the principal's office to call.

He never committed that type of infraction again.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Darius11 12]

I agree how fucking stupid.

Not sure if the school is responsible for the way things have gotten or parents. Personally I blame the parents.

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[xtravrtsoul 0]

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I feel the school should have spoke to the child as well the parents with a counselor to expain the issue of bringing this in.

better, but still nuts - still overkill

ONE teacher could have seen the pocket knife, gone over to the kid and confiscated it until the end of the day (or just told the kid to put it away and not bring it back again). Then same teacher could just call the parents and let them know what's up so they can followup with their kid.

No 'explanation' to the kid needed other than that's the rule. That's for the parents to decide how much to tell the kid vs just emphasizing their authority in the matter.

I don't know what it means for the "the school" to talk to a parent - some creepy possessed talking building?

Or how a 'counselor' adds to the discussion. Counselors used to be people that helped kids pick colleges and work through application processes for higher education. Not a bunch of sociologist/psychs - the teachers used to be allowed to handle that stuff.


cripes - we could bring pocket knives in and did all the time. Same with guns during hunting season (though the guns were locked up in the office all day and not allowed as eating utensils........)

We tie the hands of the teachers so bad that all that is left is mostly the fanatical political moonbats that'll put up with it. Any teacher that wants to be empowered to do a good job is just scared off by the impotency of the job.

I am sorry but parents should always be involved in any matter that concerns their child with any school issue. The more the school and the parents work together the results are usually good. And now with these rules the more communication the better.

I used to play with butterfly knives in school as a teen all the time and we did not get in trouble as long as we did not pull them out in the halls or in class. It is not the same now with our kids it is a definite difference. I have clients who are teachers and we compare what we could do and society then and now it is a big difference.

And yes our teachers are tied and it sucks. I agree whole heartedly on that comment. And I remember my counselor in high school (many moons ago) and she helped me through the issues I had at home not just with college help or class. I have a client that is thinking of being a school counselor after she graduates with her psych degree.

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[rehmwa 2]

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I am sorry but parents should always be involved in any matter that concerns their child with any school issue.

you say that like it's in conflict with my post....

read mine again -

ALWAYS tell the parents everything - a teacher that keeps anything to themselves is usurping the parent's required responsibility.

A kid plays with a butterfly knife in school and keeps it in his pocket?

1 - a long time ago the teacher would know the kid and if it's a 'real' issue - "you, keep that in your pocket or I'll take it away" - later, call the parent and ask them if they know junior has knives at school. done

2 - today - call the cops, obsess over the child and maybe call social services, judge the parents, but don't talk to them, get counselors involved, obsess that if you don't do something and the kid knifes another kid you could lose your job, still don't call the parents, expel the kid, counsel the kids friends, show Obama video about disarming the world, have all the kids write essays on why guns are evil and the US is bad, still don't call the kid's parents,......

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[rehmwa 2]

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And I remember my counselor in high school (many moons ago) and she helped me through the issues I had at home not just with college help or class.

I think that's cool, even more moons ago, that would have just been whichever teacher you connected with the best. No special positions needed to be hired for that role.


Kids haven't changed, just the attitudes of each generation.

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[rehmwa 2]

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The most potent punishment my son ever had in school was having to call me in the middle of the day over a misdeed. The teacher said he was begging her the whole way as she walked him to the principal's office to call.

Of course, I suspect you are a parent first in the relationship, not your kid's buddy that expect the village to raise you child for you.

I'm constantly amazed at the slack I see in my daughter's friends' families. Sad part of it is, it seems when these other girls see us being stern and loving to our daughter instead of just neglectful - they look a little jealous (even though on the surface they have it 'easier').

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[Kennedy 0]

I think we all agree that the discipline was ridiculous in this case.

But kallend, let's get our facts straight. The principal suspended the boy, not the school board. The board may have extended the length of time and is in control of the school assignment, but the school personnel failed first and foremost.

It's a boy with a new toy. He brought it to school because he was proud of it. Anyone who's owned one knows eating with it is a pain, and cleaning it afterwards is worse. Is it really any more dangerous than a pencil, or scissors, or any of a dozen other items in every school across the country? Does simply having it with you require assignment to reform school?

And do they even haev first grader reform school?

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[xtravrtsoul 0]

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The most potent punishment my son ever had in school was having to call me in the middle of the day over a misdeed. The teacher said he was begging her the whole way as she walked him to the principal's office to call.

Of course, I suspect you are a parent first in the relationship, not your kid's buddy that expect the village to raise you child for you.

I'm constantly amazed at the slack I see in my daughter's friends' families. Sad part of it is, it seems when these other girls see us being stern and loving to our daughter instead of just neglectful - they look a little jealous (even though on the surface they have it 'easier').

Agreed with all the other posts you post to mine as well.
I also agree with what you are saying about other parents. My sons friends actually stay here at my house all the time because I give the structure and not let them get away with whatever. They seem to have gravitated to me for it. Not saying their parents are bad but their parents seem to be a bit more leanient with them or I have noticed "in their own worlds and not apart of their kids" and here at my house is a different ball game. They talk to me, follow my rules and love to hang out here. I know they are safe and my son who calls me at least 3 times to check in when he is out with his friends, I know where they are and what they are doing but I am sure their own parents don't know. I have become that village. I have every one of those parents numbers and have talked to each one but have to bite my lip about how I feel with there relationship with their kids. I love those boys and at least they know who they can come to. (oh and every one of those kids know that if I think in any way shape or form I feel they are hurting themselves or others or they are crossing the lines of trouble, I will call their parents and I am not their buddy but a responsible adult and parent.)

You create life, life does not create you.