kallend 2,026
mnealtx 0
QuoteIf you don't like school policies, blame the voters, not the teachers.
Oddly enough, I couldn't find 'school district policies' on any of the local voting boards - maybe you could point those referendums out to us.
Mike
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kallend 2,026
QuoteQuoteIf you don't like school policies, blame the voters, not the teachers.
Oddly enough, I couldn't find 'school district policies' on any of the local voting boards - maybe you could point those referendums out to us.
Who elects the board?
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you don't like school policies, blame the voters, not the teachers.
Oddly enough, I couldn't find 'school district policies' on any of the local voting boards - maybe you could point those referendums out to us.
Who elects the board?
The same idiots that elect every other politician - the difference is in this case, you blame the voters and not the politician making the policy.
Strike a bit close to home for you, John?
Mike
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DougH 270
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Who elects the board?
Who enforces the board's policies?
Are the board members in the schools teaching every class, and acting as administrators in each school?
What a simple school system we must have. We have students, and we have elected school boards with absolutely no intermediaries in between.
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kallend 2,026
The voters always have the option of electing a different board.QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you don't like school policies, blame the voters, not the teachers.
Oddly enough, I couldn't find 'school district policies' on any of the local voting boards - maybe you could point those referendums out to us.
Who elects the board?
The same idiots that elect every other politician - the difference is in this case, you blame the voters and not the politician making the policy.
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Strike a bit close to home for you, John?
No. We have no zero-tolerance policies.
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kallend 2,026
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Who elects the board?
Who enforces the board's policies?
Are the board members in the schools teaching every class, and acting as administrators in each school?
What a simple school system we must have. We have students, and we have elected school boards with absolutely no intermediaries in between.
Yet another person who doesn't understand the concept of ZERO tolerance.
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kallend 2,026
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So the board can change its own policy. So what? The principal can't change the board's policy.
In what bizzaro world do you live in that individuals have zero latitude when it comes to enforcing policies.
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The operative word here is "ZERO". That, apparently, WAS this board's policy.
Not a small amount of tolerance, not tolerance at the teacher's discretion, but ZERO tolerance.
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rehmwa 2
QuoteWhat a simple school system we must have. We have students, and we have elected school boards with absolutely no intermediaries in between.
of course, the schools are a great example of the perfect socialism desired by the left
you have the leaders (board) in total control
you have the masses (children) with no rights and pretty much enslaved to the will of the leaders without the ability to make any decisions for themselves
you have the workers (teachers) who happily have zero responsibility and carry out like robots the exact will of the leaders with no personal discretion. pretty much enslaved to the will of the leaders
and finally - you have the blind, entitled elite class that simply turns a blind eye to the injustice and tell the 'masses' that it's their lot in life for electing the leaders and they should continue to bend over and accept it - for the good of the children
it's so exciting
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DougH 270
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So the board can change its own policy. So what? The principal can't change the board's policy.
In what bizzaro world do you live in that individuals have zero latitude when it comes to enforcing policies.
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The operative word here is "ZERO". That, apparently, WAS this board's policy.
Not a small amount of tolerance, not tolerance at the teacher's discretion, but ZERO tolerance.
I understand the concept of ZERO.
Are you going to honestly tell me that a official has ZERO latitude when it comes to enforcing ZERO tolerance policies.
Our educational costs are going to go down dramatically!!!
We have finally engineered cyborg school administrators who get plugged into the school policy database, and enforce policies in a digital exacting manner, all the way down to the line spacing and punctuation in the source document.
Do cyborgs get to participate in the teachers union?
For the record I tend to agree with you, overall, but reality doesn't allow me to except that teachers are lifeless pawns that operate exactly to the school boards whims and policies. That is just not reality, it isn't a reality in any position or job, ZERO tolerance or not.
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rehmwa 2
QuoteDo cyborgs get to participate in the teachers union?
It's required - 40% of salary goes to taxes
40% of salary goes to union dues, which is turned over to the gov'ent in taxes. Then don't forget the 25% user fee.
but it's ok, they'll get a stimulus check
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kallend 2,026
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So the board can change its own policy. So what? The principal can't change the board's policy.
In what bizzaro world do you live in that individuals have zero latitude when it comes to enforcing policies.
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The operative word here is "ZERO". That, apparently, WAS this board's policy.
Not a small amount of tolerance, not tolerance at the teacher's discretion, but ZERO tolerance.
I understand the concept of ZERO.
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You claim you do, but your posts suggest that you do not.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteAre you going to honestly tell me that a official has ZERO latitude when it comes to enforcing ZERO tolerance policies?
The whole concept of "zero tolerance" is that a certain amount of discretion an official might otherwise have is removed, such that the official is required, regardless of his own discretion, to - at the very least - enforce the rule, law, etc. in some manner.
Whether the official has any discretion regarding the specific mode or severity of punishment depends upon whatever individual "zero tolerance" policy is being examined. Arguably, if the particular policy requires enforcement, but is silent as to penalty, then the official is free to craft a case-specific correction (like telling the kid "Sorry, you can't have that. I'll hold it for the rest of the day; and don't bring it back to school.") But if the particular policy mandates a specific penalty (like automatic suspension), then the official simply lacks the discretion to not impose the pre-ordained penalty.
Here's Encarta's definition of zero tolerance:
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861707119/zero_tolerance.html
Quotestrict application of rules: the absence of any leniency or exception in the enforcement of a law, rule, or regulation, especially a law against antisocial behavior
Here's Wikipedia's definition of zero tolerance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance
QuoteZero tolerance is the concept of compelling persons in positions of authority, who might otherwise exercise their discretion in making subjective judgments regarding the severity of a given offense, to impose a pre-determined punishment regardless of individual culpability or "extenuating circumstances".
SkyChimp 0
QuoteSo the board can change its own policy. So what? The principal can't change the board's policy.
True, but the board's policy was not reform school for such violation. In addition, the board blames the faculty for the lack of common sense. I find that interesting.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
SkyChimp 0
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This is where I feel think that people only feel important in their job unless they are finding something wrong with a person who is subbordinate to them. It goes back to why Realtors don't like family members seeing the prospective house with their clients. The family members want to feel like they saved their loved one from a bad deal.........
So they let the kid have a car on campus, but a 2-inch knife is a deadly weapon?
Hmm.. top causes of teen deaths:
1. Motor Vehicle accidents - 39.98%
2. Homicide (not just knives) - 13.7%
Where's the logic in that?
Good point......... there isn't any.
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
steve1 5
It's been my experience that schoolboard members are often trouble makers in the community. They aren't all like that, but it seems like that is often the case.
What qualifications are there to be a school board member? It seems little to none. Where else can unqualified people run a corporation? No wonder this school is having trouble with stupid decisions.
I hate to be so damn negative, but many school administrators seem to be idiots too.
Tell me when it's time to shut up....I could go on and on.....
It was a SCHOOL BOARD policy, nothing to do with teachers.
School boards are made up of members of the community like you.
Someone else who doesn't understand the concept of "zero".
Teachers don't make policy, the school boards do. The school boards in most places are elected by the voters.
If you don't like school policies, blame the voters, not the teachers.
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