georgerussia 0 #1 October 20, 2009 SFGate article and the thing I personally found funny, though, is the Fox's response: In response to the criticism, Fox News executive Michael Clemente on Sunday accused the White House of continuing to "declare war on a news organization" rather than focusing on issues such as jobs and health care. Fox News asking White House to focus on health care? wow.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #2 October 20, 2009 " Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another. (...) The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood." "Propaganda must not investigate the truth objectively and, in so far as it is favourable to the other side, present it according to the theoretical rules of justice; yet it must present only that aspect of the truth which is favourable to its own side. (...) The receptive powers of the masses are very restricted, and their understanding is feeble. On the other hand, they quickly forget. Such being the case, all effective propaganda must be confined to a few bare essentials and those must be expressed as far as possible in stereotyped formulas. These slogans should be persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea that has been put forward. (...) Every change that is made in the subject of a propagandist message must always emphasize the same conclusion. The leading slogan must of course be illustrated in many ways and from several angles, but in the end one must always return to the assertion of the same formula." Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #3 October 20, 2009 >White House advisers say Fox News is not news Well, duh. Last time I saw a FOX News segment was at the airport. Top three stories: "Baseball star's head is batted around like a baseball!" - cryogenically frozen head of Ted Williams is abused by techs "Storm coming? Tune in to our forecast!" Answer in forecast: no storm is coming. "Kitten trapped in tree, snarls traffic for hours." No mention of traffic in piece. This is what they considered their most newsworthy material for their local news show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 October 20, 2009 I cannot say that the Admin is doing a smart thing. It is making Fox News newwsworthy. Never go to war with someone who buys ink by the ton. Fox News' ratings have probably increased. You know, Dubya did the same thing. And he was a whiney ass. To think, the Obama admin has harsher rhetoric for Fox News than for Hugo Chavez. It is laughable. It is comedic. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #5 October 20, 2009 QuoteIn response to the criticism, Fox News executive Michael Clemente on Sunday accused the White House of continuing to "declare war on a news organization" rather than focusing on issues such as jobs and health care. Fox News contributor Karl Rove, who was the top political strategist to former President George W. Bush, said: "This is an administration that's getting very arrogant and slippery in its dealings with people. And if you dare to oppose them, they're going to come hard at you and they're going to cut your legs off." Karl Rove, the architect of the Iraq War, now valued for his input on fox news? "And if you dare to oppose them, they're going to come hard at you and they're going to cut your legs off." Coming hard at you like starting a war that has killed 5000 Americans? Come at you hard like outing an undercover CIA agent? This is really funny coming from Karl Rove - the Joseph Goebbels of the last decade... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 October 20, 2009 But, just maybe, not Fox? Hmm, gotta wonder no dontcha...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6377910/White-House-aide-says-Barack-Obama-team-controlled-the-media.html From the link QuoteAnita Dunn, a senior White House aide, has boasted of how Barack Obama's presidential campaign managed to "absolutely control" the press during the 2008 election. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 October 20, 2009 More to consider QuoteDick Morris RSS ARCHIVE Print Page | Forward Page | E-mail Us Fox News Reaches Across Party Lines Monday, October 19, 2009 9:59 AM By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size Is Fox News “an arm of the Republican Party” as White House Communications Director Anita Dunn says? Democratic and independent voters beg to differ. A national survey conducted for the League of American Voters by the Global Marketing Research Center during last week shows that 46 percent of those who watch Fox News “just about every day” are Democrats or independents as are 50 percent of those who watch it “several times each week” or more. Overall, the survey showed that 21 percent of all American voters watched Fox News every day and 18 percent watched it several times each week. So, combined, 39 percent watched the station several times each week or more. • Among Democrats, 17 percent watched it several times each week or more • Among Independents, 46 percent watched the station several times each week or more • And among Republicans, 55 percent watched it several times each week or more The survey indicated that 11 percent of all American voters watched CNN “just about every day” and 20 percent watched several times each week or more. Combined, 31 percent watched CNN several times each week or more. For MSNBC, the totals were 10 percent watched just about every day and 8 percent watched several times each week. Combined, 18 percent watched MSNBC several times each week or more. These data, seen against the backdrop of the recent storm of White House criticism, casts the administration attacks on Fox News in a different perspective. Could it be that the Obama Administration is concerned about Fox News not because it is “an arm of the Republican Party” but because it is so widely seen among Democrats and Independents? That the two top spokespeople for the administration this Sunday (Emanuel and Axelrod) both chose to attack Fox News shows how obsessed this thin-skinned president is with his coverage. It is truly amateur hour at the White House from the top down. The phone survey was taken from a statistically valid national sample of 800 registered voters. Some 36 percent of the respondents said they voted for more Democrats than Republicans while 32 percent said they voted for more Republicans. 24 percent said they voted equally for each party. © 2009 Dick Morris & Eileen McGann"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #8 October 20, 2009 Quote[ Coming hard at you like starting a war that has killed 5000 Americans? Quote Of course they would never kill 3000 of their own people at the towers! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #9 October 20, 2009 QuoteBut, just maybe, not Fox? Hmm, gotta wonder no dontcha...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6377910/White-House-aide-says-Barack-Obama-team-controlled-the-media.html From the link QuoteAnita Dunn, a senior White House aide, has boasted of how Barack Obama's presidential campaign managed to "absolutely control" the press during the 2008 election. You talking about this Anita Dunn? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #10 October 20, 2009 QuoteI cannot say that the Admin is doing a smart thing. It is making Fox News newwsworthy. Never go to war with someone who buys ink by the ton. Fox News' ratings have probably increased. You know, Dubya did the same thing. And he was a whiney ass. I doubt there is a single person around here who didn't watch Fox News before this White House advisor comment, and started watching it after. To me it looks like pretty binary - everyone knows what Fox News is about, and they either accept the agenda and watch it, or they do not. And while there is Yiddish proverb saying "don't spit into a well - you might need to drink from it later", I'd say for current White House this is kind of well is already poisoned, so spitting there wouldn't hurt anyway.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #11 October 20, 2009 Quote More to consider http://www.newsmax.com/morris/fox_news_party_lines/2009/10/19/273848.html I wonder why didn't you provide a link. Is it because newsmax is same kind of outlet as fox "news" is?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #12 October 20, 2009 This seems reasonable: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=10823491&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #13 October 20, 2009 I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. I'm sure the President will be out next week saying he'll no longer work with them either, right?Gibbs, Emanuel, and the rest of them are a bunch of whiney pussies that have resorted to completely dismissing an entire news network as 'not real news' because they have a different point of view.Whether you support the administration or not, trying to shutout a media voice will not ever end well. Even pundits on CNN were saying it was rediculous and a very bad idea. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #14 October 20, 2009 Quote I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. They are not accused of entertainment. The message is different - the main priority of Fox News is to serve the Republican party, and their news coverage is biased significantly enough to the point when they're spreading propaganda, not really reporting the news. Quote Gibbs, Emanuel, and the rest of them are a bunch of whiney pussies that have resorted to completely dismissing an entire news network as 'not real news' because they have a different point of view. My opinion is pretty much the same as Gibbs - a news network, which manipulates the news coverage to deliver some crafted messages, is not really something I would call news network. It is more like The Onion newspaper - which I also read two times a week (I'm a subscriber), and it's always fun, but I doubt anyone would consider them 'real news' - and likely not just because they have a different point of view.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #15 October 20, 2009 QuoteThey are not accused of entertainment. The message is different - the main priority of Fox News is to serve the Republican party, and their news coverage is biased significantly enough to the point when they're spreading propaganda, not really reporting the news. Oh, please. *rolls eyes* QuoteMy opinion is pretty much the same as Gibbs - a news network, which manipulates the news coverage to deliver some crafted messages, is not really something I would call news network. It is more like The Onion newspaper - which I also read two times a week (I'm a subscriber), and it's always fun, but I doubt anyone would consider them 'real news' - and likely not just because they have a different point of view. So, sorta like how the rest of the news networks are getting 'tingles up their legs" whenever Obama speaks... seems oddly familiar, somehow...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #16 October 20, 2009 Quote They are not accused of entertainment. The message is different - the main priority of Fox News is to serve the Republican party, and their news coverage is biased significantly enough to the point when they're spreading propaganda, not really reporting the news. Which is exactly what MSNBC does for the left... and I'll go ahead and bet my house that not a single person in the administration is going to accuse MSNBC of not being a "legitimate news organization." QuoteMy opinion is pretty much the same as Gibbs - a news network, which manipulates the news coverage to deliver some crafted messages, is not really something I would call news network. Emanuel, Axelrod, and Gibbs didn't say anything about manipulating news. They said Fox gives a different persepective and shouldn't be considered a news network, ie; different perspective = not legitimate. It's horseshit. We could easily get into a back and forth about news really being manipulated. I personally think that if Fox's stories were all bullshit then they wouldn't have better ratings than every other news network combined. MSNBC is just as slanted, if not more so, in their programming than Fox and nobody is complaining about that. Why would they? MSNBC humps their legs everynight. It would be silly to call them out for being slanted. QuoteIt is more like The Onion newspaper - which I also read two times a week (I'm a subscriber), and it's always fun, but I doubt anyone would consider them 'real news' If that's the argument you want to go with then fine. I've said several times now that if Fox isn't real news because their view is different then go ahead and nix all of the news networks. Quote - and likely not just because they have a different point of view. That's word for word what Emanuel and Axelrod said. Gibbs played the good little parrot later. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BikerBabe 0 #17 October 20, 2009 bah, i don't like them because when i clicky on fox news videos it resizes my firefox window. grrr. I think the trouble with Fox is that they are trying SOOOO hard to avoid a "liberal bias" label (which is BS anyway) that they come across as scripted and stilted and ridiculously over the top neo-conservative. honestly, the most "fair and balanced" news source i can think of is BBC. *shrug*Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #18 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut, just maybe, not Fox? Hmm, gotta wonder no dontcha...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6377910/White-House-aide-says-Barack-Obama-team-controlled-the-media.html From the link QuoteAnita Dunn, a senior White House aide, has boasted of how Barack Obama's presidential campaign managed to "absolutely control" the press during the 2008 election. You talking about this Anita Dunn? The thought of Mao makes her tongue dart out in a subconscious teabagging of him in the afterlife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #19 October 20, 2009 Okay. I've been thinking about this. What is the difference between Fox, NBC and CNN? CNN has itself and Headline News. NBC has NBC News and MSNBC. Fox has Fox News. Not even NBC considers MSNBC to be news! Hence Olbermann and Matthews got canned from those newscasts during the election. MSNBC considered Matthews and Olbermann to be news guys. Nope. They are no different from O'Reilly or Hannity. The Administration won't call out the guys on their side. They won't say, "criticize me.". They call out the critical entities. I personally watch MSNBC. I started it because I liked Russert. I also like getting the other side. But it was MSNBC News that cropped the AR-15 so they wouldn't see it was a black man holding it and said racism was to blame with the protestors. That was the NEWS. Not the mouthpiece political shows. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites timmyfitz 0 #20 October 20, 2009 A study by the respected Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative. On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #21 October 20, 2009 ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN are 90% news, most with a neutral perspective, and a minority with some slant. The other 10% is opinion. FWIW, I do note that CNN-opinion includes Lou Dobbs, and he's pretty conservative (he even, kind of weirdly, gave a back-handed nod to the Birthers.) MSNBC is about 2/3 hard news and 1/3 opinion. Most of the opinion is liberal, but look at the Morning Joe show: Joe Scarborough is a former Republican congressman, and a regular on the show is Pat Buchanan, who's about as conservative as they come. Fox News is about 5% hard news and about 95% opinion. And it's not just "pro-conservative". The Wall Street Journal, for example, is genuinely conservative. FoxNews is a regular, ceaseless tattoo of "all bash-the-Democrats, all the time", masquerading as merely conservative (much less news). Sure, for a while there, Fox set up Colmes as a counter-balance to Hannity; but in reality, Colmes was only a counter-balance to Hannity to the extent that he was firmly attached to Hannity's crotch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,078 #22 October 20, 2009 >I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming >when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. I'm sure the President will be >out next week saying he'll no longer work with them either, right? Bush went after MSNBC, Obama went after FOX - in both cases after the networks took adversarial stands. No surprise in either case. > Even pundits on CNN were saying it was rediculous and a very bad idea. Ironically, when Bush froze out NBC, FOX cheered the move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #23 October 20, 2009 QuoteABC, NBC, CBS and CNN are 90% news, most with a neutral perspective, and a minority with some slant. The other 10% is opinion. FWIW, I do note that CNN-opinion includes Lou Dobbs, and he's pretty conservative (he even, kind of weirdly, gave a back-handed nod to the Birthers.) MSNBC is about 2/3 hard news and 1/3 opinion. Most of the opinion is liberal, but look at the Morning Joe show: Joe Scarborough is a former Republican congressman, and a regular on the show is Pat Buchanan, who's about as conservative as they come. Fox News is about 5% hard news and about 95% opinion. And it's not just "pro-conservative". The Wall Street Journal, for example, is genuinely conservative. FoxNews is a regular, ceaseless tattoo of "all bash-the-Democrats, all the time", masquerading as merely conservative (much less news). Sure, for a while there, Fox set up Colmes as a counter-balance to Hannity; but in reality, Colmes was only a counter-balance to Hannity to the extent that he was firmly attached to Hannity's crotch. You extracted every one of those numbers from your hind end. Not only that, but you've clearly ignored the post before yours. During the election, Fox News (and opinion) stories were the fairest of them all. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #24 October 20, 2009 Quote>I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming >when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. I'm sure the President will be >out next week saying he'll no longer work with them either, right? Bush went after MSNBC, Obama went after FOX - in both cases after the networks took adversarial stands. No surprise in either case. > Even pundits on CNN were saying it was rediculous and a very bad idea. Ironically, when Bush froze out NBC, FOX cheered the move. So... Obama is the same as Bush... again. How'd it work out for Bush going after a news organization? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #25 October 20, 2009 Quote So, sorta like how the rest of the news networks are getting 'tingles up their legs" whenever Obama speaks... seems oddly familiar, somehow... It is so funny to watch you guys shifting from "Fox News is real news, and doesn't do it" to "but everyone else does it too" paradigm.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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1969912 0 #9 October 20, 2009 QuoteBut, just maybe, not Fox? Hmm, gotta wonder no dontcha...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6377910/White-House-aide-says-Barack-Obama-team-controlled-the-media.html From the link QuoteAnita Dunn, a senior White House aide, has boasted of how Barack Obama's presidential campaign managed to "absolutely control" the press during the 2008 election. You talking about this Anita Dunn? "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #10 October 20, 2009 QuoteI cannot say that the Admin is doing a smart thing. It is making Fox News newwsworthy. Never go to war with someone who buys ink by the ton. Fox News' ratings have probably increased. You know, Dubya did the same thing. And he was a whiney ass. I doubt there is a single person around here who didn't watch Fox News before this White House advisor comment, and started watching it after. To me it looks like pretty binary - everyone knows what Fox News is about, and they either accept the agenda and watch it, or they do not. And while there is Yiddish proverb saying "don't spit into a well - you might need to drink from it later", I'd say for current White House this is kind of well is already poisoned, so spitting there wouldn't hurt anyway.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #11 October 20, 2009 Quote More to consider http://www.newsmax.com/morris/fox_news_party_lines/2009/10/19/273848.html I wonder why didn't you provide a link. Is it because newsmax is same kind of outlet as fox "news" is?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #12 October 20, 2009 This seems reasonable: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=10823491&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #13 October 20, 2009 I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. I'm sure the President will be out next week saying he'll no longer work with them either, right?Gibbs, Emanuel, and the rest of them are a bunch of whiney pussies that have resorted to completely dismissing an entire news network as 'not real news' because they have a different point of view.Whether you support the administration or not, trying to shutout a media voice will not ever end well. Even pundits on CNN were saying it was rediculous and a very bad idea. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #14 October 20, 2009 Quote I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. They are not accused of entertainment. The message is different - the main priority of Fox News is to serve the Republican party, and their news coverage is biased significantly enough to the point when they're spreading propaganda, not really reporting the news. Quote Gibbs, Emanuel, and the rest of them are a bunch of whiney pussies that have resorted to completely dismissing an entire news network as 'not real news' because they have a different point of view. My opinion is pretty much the same as Gibbs - a news network, which manipulates the news coverage to deliver some crafted messages, is not really something I would call news network. It is more like The Onion newspaper - which I also read two times a week (I'm a subscriber), and it's always fun, but I doubt anyone would consider them 'real news' - and likely not just because they have a different point of view.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 October 20, 2009 QuoteThey are not accused of entertainment. The message is different - the main priority of Fox News is to serve the Republican party, and their news coverage is biased significantly enough to the point when they're spreading propaganda, not really reporting the news. Oh, please. *rolls eyes* QuoteMy opinion is pretty much the same as Gibbs - a news network, which manipulates the news coverage to deliver some crafted messages, is not really something I would call news network. It is more like The Onion newspaper - which I also read two times a week (I'm a subscriber), and it's always fun, but I doubt anyone would consider them 'real news' - and likely not just because they have a different point of view. So, sorta like how the rest of the news networks are getting 'tingles up their legs" whenever Obama speaks... seems oddly familiar, somehow...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #16 October 20, 2009 Quote They are not accused of entertainment. The message is different - the main priority of Fox News is to serve the Republican party, and their news coverage is biased significantly enough to the point when they're spreading propaganda, not really reporting the news. Which is exactly what MSNBC does for the left... and I'll go ahead and bet my house that not a single person in the administration is going to accuse MSNBC of not being a "legitimate news organization." QuoteMy opinion is pretty much the same as Gibbs - a news network, which manipulates the news coverage to deliver some crafted messages, is not really something I would call news network. Emanuel, Axelrod, and Gibbs didn't say anything about manipulating news. They said Fox gives a different persepective and shouldn't be considered a news network, ie; different perspective = not legitimate. It's horseshit. We could easily get into a back and forth about news really being manipulated. I personally think that if Fox's stories were all bullshit then they wouldn't have better ratings than every other news network combined. MSNBC is just as slanted, if not more so, in their programming than Fox and nobody is complaining about that. Why would they? MSNBC humps their legs everynight. It would be silly to call them out for being slanted. QuoteIt is more like The Onion newspaper - which I also read two times a week (I'm a subscriber), and it's always fun, but I doubt anyone would consider them 'real news' If that's the argument you want to go with then fine. I've said several times now that if Fox isn't real news because their view is different then go ahead and nix all of the news networks. Quote - and likely not just because they have a different point of view. That's word for word what Emanuel and Axelrod said. Gibbs played the good little parrot later. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #17 October 20, 2009 bah, i don't like them because when i clicky on fox news videos it resizes my firefox window. grrr. I think the trouble with Fox is that they are trying SOOOO hard to avoid a "liberal bias" label (which is BS anyway) that they come across as scripted and stilted and ridiculously over the top neo-conservative. honestly, the most "fair and balanced" news source i can think of is BBC. *shrug*Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 October 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteBut, just maybe, not Fox? Hmm, gotta wonder no dontcha...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6377910/White-House-aide-says-Barack-Obama-team-controlled-the-media.html From the link QuoteAnita Dunn, a senior White House aide, has boasted of how Barack Obama's presidential campaign managed to "absolutely control" the press during the 2008 election. You talking about this Anita Dunn? The thought of Mao makes her tongue dart out in a subconscious teabagging of him in the afterlife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #19 October 20, 2009 Okay. I've been thinking about this. What is the difference between Fox, NBC and CNN? CNN has itself and Headline News. NBC has NBC News and MSNBC. Fox has Fox News. Not even NBC considers MSNBC to be news! Hence Olbermann and Matthews got canned from those newscasts during the election. MSNBC considered Matthews and Olbermann to be news guys. Nope. They are no different from O'Reilly or Hannity. The Administration won't call out the guys on their side. They won't say, "criticize me.". They call out the critical entities. I personally watch MSNBC. I started it because I liked Russert. I also like getting the other side. But it was MSNBC News that cropped the AR-15 so they wouldn't see it was a black man holding it and said racism was to blame with the protestors. That was the NEWS. Not the mouthpiece political shows. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #20 October 20, 2009 A study by the respected Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative. On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 October 20, 2009 ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN are 90% news, most with a neutral perspective, and a minority with some slant. The other 10% is opinion. FWIW, I do note that CNN-opinion includes Lou Dobbs, and he's pretty conservative (he even, kind of weirdly, gave a back-handed nod to the Birthers.) MSNBC is about 2/3 hard news and 1/3 opinion. Most of the opinion is liberal, but look at the Morning Joe show: Joe Scarborough is a former Republican congressman, and a regular on the show is Pat Buchanan, who's about as conservative as they come. Fox News is about 5% hard news and about 95% opinion. And it's not just "pro-conservative". The Wall Street Journal, for example, is genuinely conservative. FoxNews is a regular, ceaseless tattoo of "all bash-the-Democrats, all the time", masquerading as merely conservative (much less news). Sure, for a while there, Fox set up Colmes as a counter-balance to Hannity; but in reality, Colmes was only a counter-balance to Hannity to the extent that he was firmly attached to Hannity's crotch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #22 October 20, 2009 >I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming >when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. I'm sure the President will be >out next week saying he'll no longer work with them either, right? Bush went after MSNBC, Obama went after FOX - in both cases after the networks took adversarial stands. No surprise in either case. > Even pundits on CNN were saying it was rediculous and a very bad idea. Ironically, when Bush froze out NBC, FOX cheered the move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #23 October 20, 2009 QuoteABC, NBC, CBS and CNN are 90% news, most with a neutral perspective, and a minority with some slant. The other 10% is opinion. FWIW, I do note that CNN-opinion includes Lou Dobbs, and he's pretty conservative (he even, kind of weirdly, gave a back-handed nod to the Birthers.) MSNBC is about 2/3 hard news and 1/3 opinion. Most of the opinion is liberal, but look at the Morning Joe show: Joe Scarborough is a former Republican congressman, and a regular on the show is Pat Buchanan, who's about as conservative as they come. Fox News is about 5% hard news and about 95% opinion. And it's not just "pro-conservative". The Wall Street Journal, for example, is genuinely conservative. FoxNews is a regular, ceaseless tattoo of "all bash-the-Democrats, all the time", masquerading as merely conservative (much less news). Sure, for a while there, Fox set up Colmes as a counter-balance to Hannity; but in reality, Colmes was only a counter-balance to Hannity to the extent that he was firmly attached to Hannity's crotch. You extracted every one of those numbers from your hind end. Not only that, but you've clearly ignored the post before yours. During the election, Fox News (and opinion) stories were the fairest of them all. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #24 October 20, 2009 Quote>I don't get why Fox is being accused of entertainment only programming >when MSNBC primetime is Maddow and Olberman. I'm sure the President will be >out next week saying he'll no longer work with them either, right? Bush went after MSNBC, Obama went after FOX - in both cases after the networks took adversarial stands. No surprise in either case. > Even pundits on CNN were saying it was rediculous and a very bad idea. Ironically, when Bush froze out NBC, FOX cheered the move. So... Obama is the same as Bush... again. How'd it work out for Bush going after a news organization? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #25 October 20, 2009 Quote So, sorta like how the rest of the news networks are getting 'tingles up their legs" whenever Obama speaks... seems oddly familiar, somehow... It is so funny to watch you guys shifting from "Fox News is real news, and doesn't do it" to "but everyone else does it too" paradigm.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
