marks2065 0 #51 October 21, 2009 Quote>But the current dem strategy is to hold up the crazy bits and scream >loudly about how all republicans are just like that. Hmm. Could you point out an example of the democrats claiming that Sarah Palin was born in France, or that the GOP health care plan calls for "death boards?" Quoteno but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front door"(a line she never said), worried about her clothes bill, and at least one democrat stood up in congress ans said "republicans want you to die quickly". but noooooo the dems are not playing any of these kinds of games! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #52 October 21, 2009 [Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #53 October 21, 2009 Quoteno but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front door"(a line she never said) Technically, you're correct. She said you can see Russia from Alaska. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #54 October 21, 2009 Quote[Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Ditto to all people who post their statements on top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #55 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteno but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front door"(a line she never said) Technically, you're correct. She said you can see Russia from Alaska. Jesus Christ is dying on the cross, his disciples are gathered around, crying. Peter looks up and notices that Jesus seems to be calling him, "Peter, come hither!" Immediately Peter rushes over to the cross, only to be hit severely over the head by the roman guard. He gets on his feet again and wants to return to the other disciples when he hears Jesus calling again, "Peter, come hither!" So, again Peter tries to climb the cross to get to his lord, when the roman soldier draws his sword and chops Peter's arm off. Peter is getting a little pissed and wants to go back to his buddies, but again Jesus summons. The roman guard can't believe that Peter is trying yet AGAIN to climb to the cross, and chops off another arm. Peter is now covered in blood and demented from the blow to the head and wants to call it a day. Jesus hoarsely croaks, "Peter, please, come to me!" By now, the roman guard is tired of chopping limbs, so he lets Peter be. The faithful disciple struggles to climb the cross (without arms mind you) and after a long while he finally arrives at his Lord's side. Hurting, suffering, bleeding, Peter looks into his Master's eyes and asks, "yes, my Lord. What is it?" Jesus smiles lovingly and looks off into the distance as a weak smile plays across his face, "Look Peter, I can see your house from here!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,994 #56 October 21, 2009 >no but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front >door"(a line she never said) . . . No, that's what a comedian who was playing her (Tina Fey) said. Palin herself said "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #57 October 21, 2009 Quote The truth is that the GOP has plenty of alternative ideas, and only a very little crazy (kind of like the dems). But the current dem strategy is to hold up the crazy bits and scream loudly about how all republicans are just like that. Just looking on the forum here I see exactly the opposite picture - a lot of "a very little crazy", and only few reasonable.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #58 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote The truth is that the GOP has plenty of alternative ideas, and only a very little crazy (kind of like the dems). But the current dem strategy is to hold up the crazy bits and scream loudly about how all republicans are just like that. Just looking on the forum here I see exactly the opposite picture - a lot of "a very little crazy", and only few reasonable. Dude, you're reading an internet forum and thinking it represents a cross section of the real population? Now, that's crazy.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #59 October 21, 2009 Quote Dude, you're reading an internet forum and thinking it represents a cross section of the real population? Yes, it does. Likely not percentage wise, but it does represent it.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #60 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote Dude, you're reading an internet forum and thinking it represents a cross section of the real population? Yes, it does. Likely not percentage wise, but it does represent it. HUH, representation and statistical representation are the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #61 October 21, 2009 Quote[Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Quotemaybe if you would stop drinking the koolaid your head wouldn't hurt so much and you might actually be able to determine what is the previous and post sections. I personally like the quote because I don't have to back up to know what the reply is refering to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,994 #62 October 21, 2009 >I'm saying that the dems try to hold up and publicize the crazy bits of >the GOP, and do their best to ignore any serious proposals or reasonable >people coming out of the GOP. They do indeed publicize the crazy because it helps them. It would help the republican party a great deal to divorce themselves from the crazy and concentrate on coming up with better ideas, instead of endless attacks. Which headline have you seen more often? Even on FOX? "Republicans criticize Obama's health care plan" "Republicans propose bipartisan alternative for public option" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #63 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote***Whatever floats your boat, dude. QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Quotemaybe if you would stop drinking the koolaid your head wouldn't hurt so much and you might actually be able to determine what is the previous and post sections. I personally like the quote because I don't have to back up to know what the reply is refering to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #64 October 21, 2009 QuoteWhich headline have you seen more often? Even on FOX? "Republicans criticize Obama's health care plan" "Republicans propose bipartisan alternative for public option" I don't watch (or read) FOX news. However, the GOP has been proposing various healthcare reform packages for at least 3 years. The fact that the media isn't reporting them would tend to indicate some bias, wouldn't it?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanG 1 #65 October 21, 2009 The reply function is great. Why you keep putting your own words in a box entitled "In Reply To" is what is annoying people. Here's how it works: 1. Hit the "reply" button 2. Paste in what you are replying to 3. Hit the "/reply" button (notice it has changed?) 4. Type your reply 5. Hit the "Preview Post" button 6. Make sure everything looks right 7. Hit the "Post Reply" button Posts should appear like this: Quoteother guys wordsyour words Your posts always appear like this: Quoteother guy's words Quoteyour words You're doing it wrong. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,994 #66 October 21, 2009 >However, the GOP has been proposing various healthcare reform >packages for at least 3 years. I recall one such reform package proposed when the first democratic proposal came out. It had four pages, and was again chock full of criticism as opposed to solutions. The goals included: ============== -Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care. - Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats. ===================== It made no bones about what this was - opposition. >The fact that the media isn't reporting them would tend to indicate some >bias, wouldn't it? That's why I used FOX News as an example, an organization that even right wingers admit is biased _against_ democrats. Or let's take comments right here on DZ.com. Both you and Lawrocket have proposed alternatives (which is good.) But 99% of the conservative comments on health care are simply attacks against Obama, democrats, socialism etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #67 October 21, 2009 Watch this. I will select the QUOTE box. QuoteI will place my cut-n-pasted text from the person I am responding to here and then QUOTE again. Here I will place my response to them. QuoteRepeat again for next line of theirs I am repsonding to My 2nd response/ QuoteTheir words My response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #68 October 21, 2009 QuoteThe reply function is great. Why you keep putting your own words in a box entitled "In Reply To" is what is annoying people. You're doing it wrong. sorry, I am not very good with computers, but instead of helping,they kept critisizing, thanx for the explanation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #69 October 21, 2009 Quote>However, the GOP has been proposing various healthcare reform >packages for at least 3 years. I recall one such reform package proposed when the first democratic proposal came out. It had four pages, and was again chock full of criticism as opposed to solutions. The goals included: ============== -Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care. - Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats. ===================== It made no bones about what this was - opposition. >The fact that the media isn't reporting them would tend to indicate some >bias, wouldn't it? That's why I used FOX News as an example, an organization that even right wingers admit is biased _against_ democrats. Or let's take comments right here on DZ.com. Both you and Lawrocket have proposed alternatives (which is good.) But 99% of the conservative comments on health care are simply attacks against Obama, democrats, socialism etc. Or the RW approach is to allow for cross stateline buying of ins plans, etc. Meaningless things. Or the trigger in 5 years, hoping the R's get the WH back by then and can wash it away. Repubs better figure it out, once HC is here, there will be a real fear that ANY R president would slash it, so there will be a reluctance to ever elect one again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #70 October 21, 2009 Here is the GOP's web page on their various ideas. I can't find it right now, but the McCain campaign website had a pretty detailed plan on it last year. Obviously McCain didn't even read the thing, as he couldn't explain it in the debates, but it was a pretty good plan, and was mostly based on the Friedman article I've linked several times. As I recall, Obama refused to discuss specifics on it, and simply derided it as a "trillion dollar tax increase" without ever actually discussing it. It was pretty reminiscent of the "death panel" comments, actually--a lot of over the top mischaracterization and very little discussion of the underlying substance.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #71 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe reply function is great. Why you keep putting your own words in a box entitled "In Reply To" is what is annoying people. You're doing it wrong. sorry, I am not very good with computers, but instead of helping,they kept critisizing, thanx for the explanation. Well, I posted help as you posted this, so here ya go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #72 October 21, 2009 QuoteRepubs better figure it out, once HC is here, there will be a real fear that ANY R president would slash it, so there will be a reluctance to ever elect one again. Right. Any time you create a massive new entitlement, you've created a bunch of beneficiaries who will fight to keep their "free" handouts. Statements like yours are exactly why some people would rather dig in their heels and just vote 'no,' rather than discussing alternatives.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #73 October 21, 2009 QuoteHere is the GOP's web page on their various ideas. I can't find it right now, but the McCain campaign website had a pretty detailed plan on it last year. Obviously McCain didn't even read the thing, as he couldn't explain it in the debates, but it was a pretty good plan, and was mostly based on the Friedman article I've linked several times. As I recall, Obama refused to discuss specifics on it, and simply derided it as a "trillion dollar tax increase" without ever actually discussing it. It was pretty reminiscent of the "death panel" comments, actually--a lot of over the top mischaracterization and very little discussion of the underlying substance. Here is the abstract: ---We do need medical liability reform, and it needs to be real reform. We need to establish tough liability reform standards, encourage speedy resolution of claims, and deter junk lawsuits that drive up the cost of care." ---Let's also talk about letting families and businesses buy insurance across state lines. I and many other Republicans believe that will provide real choice and competition to lower the cost of health insurance." ---All individuals should have access to coverage, regardless of preexisting conditions." ---Individuals, small businesses and other groups should be able to join together to get health insurance at lower prices, the same way large businesses and labor unions do." ---"We can provide assistance to those who still cannot access a doctor." ---"[I]nsurers should be able to offer incentives for wellness care and prevention – something particularly important to me. I operated on too many people who could have avoided surgery if they’d simply made healthier choices earlier in life." There is no instruction as to how, no method or mechanics. That's the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #74 October 21, 2009 QuoteRight. Any time you create a massive new entitlement, you've created a bunch of beneficiaries who will fight to keep their "free" handouts. And if they are such a minute sector of society then that will prevail and they will be meaningless. See Tom, many people like and others who are doing well will be helped with a public option and you will never even think of using that option. The competition will be so great that ins co's will have to compete and lower rates, incr coverage for fear of losing you as a customer. QuoteStatements like yours are exactly why some people would rather dig in their heels and just vote 'no,' rather than discussing alternatives. A statement like let the people Democratically decide what's best for them? And when it passes and the R's dig in deeper, they will bury themselves and perhaps go the way of the Whig. This really could be it and if a descent plan passes, you will see the R's figure this out and they will go along and act as tho they were all for it. By R's I don;t mean the electorate, I mean the GOP politicians. For now they want to poison it, but if it passes tehy will change their tune to deceive people into voting for them. If it passes it will be a huge consideration in the 2010 and 2012 elections; everyone will rally around as if they were all for it. The Desm will remind all voters that it was teh R's who opposed it and if elected, the R's will revoke it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LyraM45 0 #75 October 21, 2009 QuoteNo news is fair and balanced. They all have their own spin. Watch/read/listen to whatever gives you the information (and spin) you want. I listen to NPR everyday, and I can't tell you the number of times I've heard outright lies pushed as truth there. Why should FOX news be any different? They just have a different political slant. But NPR and other outlets are not promoting themselves with the tagline "Fair and balanced." That's the problem I have. I think they all put their spin on things, but I honestly think Fox is the worst and promote themselves with that tag line to boot, so it's just icing on the cake.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Andy9o8 2 #52 October 21, 2009 [Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #53 October 21, 2009 Quoteno but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front door"(a line she never said) Technically, you're correct. She said you can see Russia from Alaska. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #54 October 21, 2009 Quote[Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Ditto to all people who post their statements on top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #55 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteno but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front door"(a line she never said) Technically, you're correct. She said you can see Russia from Alaska. Jesus Christ is dying on the cross, his disciples are gathered around, crying. Peter looks up and notices that Jesus seems to be calling him, "Peter, come hither!" Immediately Peter rushes over to the cross, only to be hit severely over the head by the roman guard. He gets on his feet again and wants to return to the other disciples when he hears Jesus calling again, "Peter, come hither!" So, again Peter tries to climb the cross to get to his lord, when the roman soldier draws his sword and chops Peter's arm off. Peter is getting a little pissed and wants to go back to his buddies, but again Jesus summons. The roman guard can't believe that Peter is trying yet AGAIN to climb to the cross, and chops off another arm. Peter is now covered in blood and demented from the blow to the head and wants to call it a day. Jesus hoarsely croaks, "Peter, please, come to me!" By now, the roman guard is tired of chopping limbs, so he lets Peter be. The faithful disciple struggles to climb the cross (without arms mind you) and after a long while he finally arrives at his Lord's side. Hurting, suffering, bleeding, Peter looks into his Master's eyes and asks, "yes, my Lord. What is it?" Jesus smiles lovingly and looks off into the distance as a weak smile plays across his face, "Look Peter, I can see your house from here!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #56 October 21, 2009 >no but they are calling Palin crazy, "I can see russia from my front >door"(a line she never said) . . . No, that's what a comedian who was playing her (Tina Fey) said. Palin herself said "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #57 October 21, 2009 Quote The truth is that the GOP has plenty of alternative ideas, and only a very little crazy (kind of like the dems). But the current dem strategy is to hold up the crazy bits and scream loudly about how all republicans are just like that. Just looking on the forum here I see exactly the opposite picture - a lot of "a very little crazy", and only few reasonable.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #58 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote The truth is that the GOP has plenty of alternative ideas, and only a very little crazy (kind of like the dems). But the current dem strategy is to hold up the crazy bits and scream loudly about how all republicans are just like that. Just looking on the forum here I see exactly the opposite picture - a lot of "a very little crazy", and only few reasonable. Dude, you're reading an internet forum and thinking it represents a cross section of the real population? Now, that's crazy.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #59 October 21, 2009 Quote Dude, you're reading an internet forum and thinking it represents a cross section of the real population? Yes, it does. Likely not percentage wise, but it does represent it.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #60 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote Dude, you're reading an internet forum and thinking it represents a cross section of the real population? Yes, it does. Likely not percentage wise, but it does represent it. HUH, representation and statistical representation are the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #61 October 21, 2009 Quote[Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Quotemaybe if you would stop drinking the koolaid your head wouldn't hurt so much and you might actually be able to determine what is the previous and post sections. I personally like the quote because I don't have to back up to know what the reply is refering to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #62 October 21, 2009 >I'm saying that the dems try to hold up and publicize the crazy bits of >the GOP, and do their best to ignore any serious proposals or reasonable >people coming out of the GOP. They do indeed publicize the crazy because it helps them. It would help the republican party a great deal to divorce themselves from the crazy and concentrate on coming up with better ideas, instead of endless attacks. Which headline have you seen more often? Even on FOX? "Republicans criticize Obama's health care plan" "Republicans propose bipartisan alternative for public option" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #63 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote***Whatever floats your boat, dude. QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[Thread drift]: Please learn how to use the reply buttons already. Whatever it is you keep doing is making our brains hurt. [/thread drift] Quotemaybe if you would stop drinking the koolaid your head wouldn't hurt so much and you might actually be able to determine what is the previous and post sections. I personally like the quote because I don't have to back up to know what the reply is refering to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #64 October 21, 2009 QuoteWhich headline have you seen more often? Even on FOX? "Republicans criticize Obama's health care plan" "Republicans propose bipartisan alternative for public option" I don't watch (or read) FOX news. However, the GOP has been proposing various healthcare reform packages for at least 3 years. The fact that the media isn't reporting them would tend to indicate some bias, wouldn't it?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #65 October 21, 2009 The reply function is great. Why you keep putting your own words in a box entitled "In Reply To" is what is annoying people. Here's how it works: 1. Hit the "reply" button 2. Paste in what you are replying to 3. Hit the "/reply" button (notice it has changed?) 4. Type your reply 5. Hit the "Preview Post" button 6. Make sure everything looks right 7. Hit the "Post Reply" button Posts should appear like this: Quoteother guys wordsyour words Your posts always appear like this: Quoteother guy's words Quoteyour words You're doing it wrong. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,994 #66 October 21, 2009 >However, the GOP has been proposing various healthcare reform >packages for at least 3 years. I recall one such reform package proposed when the first democratic proposal came out. It had four pages, and was again chock full of criticism as opposed to solutions. The goals included: ============== -Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care. - Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats. ===================== It made no bones about what this was - opposition. >The fact that the media isn't reporting them would tend to indicate some >bias, wouldn't it? That's why I used FOX News as an example, an organization that even right wingers admit is biased _against_ democrats. Or let's take comments right here on DZ.com. Both you and Lawrocket have proposed alternatives (which is good.) But 99% of the conservative comments on health care are simply attacks against Obama, democrats, socialism etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #67 October 21, 2009 Watch this. I will select the QUOTE box. QuoteI will place my cut-n-pasted text from the person I am responding to here and then QUOTE again. Here I will place my response to them. QuoteRepeat again for next line of theirs I am repsonding to My 2nd response/ QuoteTheir words My response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #68 October 21, 2009 QuoteThe reply function is great. Why you keep putting your own words in a box entitled "In Reply To" is what is annoying people. You're doing it wrong. sorry, I am not very good with computers, but instead of helping,they kept critisizing, thanx for the explanation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #69 October 21, 2009 Quote>However, the GOP has been proposing various healthcare reform >packages for at least 3 years. I recall one such reform package proposed when the first democratic proposal came out. It had four pages, and was again chock full of criticism as opposed to solutions. The goals included: ============== -Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control of your health care. - Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not government bureaucrats. ===================== It made no bones about what this was - opposition. >The fact that the media isn't reporting them would tend to indicate some >bias, wouldn't it? That's why I used FOX News as an example, an organization that even right wingers admit is biased _against_ democrats. Or let's take comments right here on DZ.com. Both you and Lawrocket have proposed alternatives (which is good.) But 99% of the conservative comments on health care are simply attacks against Obama, democrats, socialism etc. Or the RW approach is to allow for cross stateline buying of ins plans, etc. Meaningless things. Or the trigger in 5 years, hoping the R's get the WH back by then and can wash it away. Repubs better figure it out, once HC is here, there will be a real fear that ANY R president would slash it, so there will be a reluctance to ever elect one again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #70 October 21, 2009 Here is the GOP's web page on their various ideas. I can't find it right now, but the McCain campaign website had a pretty detailed plan on it last year. Obviously McCain didn't even read the thing, as he couldn't explain it in the debates, but it was a pretty good plan, and was mostly based on the Friedman article I've linked several times. As I recall, Obama refused to discuss specifics on it, and simply derided it as a "trillion dollar tax increase" without ever actually discussing it. It was pretty reminiscent of the "death panel" comments, actually--a lot of over the top mischaracterization and very little discussion of the underlying substance.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #71 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe reply function is great. Why you keep putting your own words in a box entitled "In Reply To" is what is annoying people. You're doing it wrong. sorry, I am not very good with computers, but instead of helping,they kept critisizing, thanx for the explanation. Well, I posted help as you posted this, so here ya go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #72 October 21, 2009 QuoteRepubs better figure it out, once HC is here, there will be a real fear that ANY R president would slash it, so there will be a reluctance to ever elect one again. Right. Any time you create a massive new entitlement, you've created a bunch of beneficiaries who will fight to keep their "free" handouts. Statements like yours are exactly why some people would rather dig in their heels and just vote 'no,' rather than discussing alternatives.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #73 October 21, 2009 QuoteHere is the GOP's web page on their various ideas. I can't find it right now, but the McCain campaign website had a pretty detailed plan on it last year. Obviously McCain didn't even read the thing, as he couldn't explain it in the debates, but it was a pretty good plan, and was mostly based on the Friedman article I've linked several times. As I recall, Obama refused to discuss specifics on it, and simply derided it as a "trillion dollar tax increase" without ever actually discussing it. It was pretty reminiscent of the "death panel" comments, actually--a lot of over the top mischaracterization and very little discussion of the underlying substance. Here is the abstract: ---We do need medical liability reform, and it needs to be real reform. We need to establish tough liability reform standards, encourage speedy resolution of claims, and deter junk lawsuits that drive up the cost of care." ---Let's also talk about letting families and businesses buy insurance across state lines. I and many other Republicans believe that will provide real choice and competition to lower the cost of health insurance." ---All individuals should have access to coverage, regardless of preexisting conditions." ---Individuals, small businesses and other groups should be able to join together to get health insurance at lower prices, the same way large businesses and labor unions do." ---"We can provide assistance to those who still cannot access a doctor." ---"[I]nsurers should be able to offer incentives for wellness care and prevention – something particularly important to me. I operated on too many people who could have avoided surgery if they’d simply made healthier choices earlier in life." There is no instruction as to how, no method or mechanics. That's the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #74 October 21, 2009 QuoteRight. Any time you create a massive new entitlement, you've created a bunch of beneficiaries who will fight to keep their "free" handouts. And if they are such a minute sector of society then that will prevail and they will be meaningless. See Tom, many people like and others who are doing well will be helped with a public option and you will never even think of using that option. The competition will be so great that ins co's will have to compete and lower rates, incr coverage for fear of losing you as a customer. QuoteStatements like yours are exactly why some people would rather dig in their heels and just vote 'no,' rather than discussing alternatives. A statement like let the people Democratically decide what's best for them? And when it passes and the R's dig in deeper, they will bury themselves and perhaps go the way of the Whig. This really could be it and if a descent plan passes, you will see the R's figure this out and they will go along and act as tho they were all for it. By R's I don;t mean the electorate, I mean the GOP politicians. For now they want to poison it, but if it passes tehy will change their tune to deceive people into voting for them. If it passes it will be a huge consideration in the 2010 and 2012 elections; everyone will rally around as if they were all for it. The Desm will remind all voters that it was teh R's who opposed it and if elected, the R's will revoke it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #75 October 21, 2009 QuoteNo news is fair and balanced. They all have their own spin. Watch/read/listen to whatever gives you the information (and spin) you want. I listen to NPR everyday, and I can't tell you the number of times I've heard outright lies pushed as truth there. Why should FOX news be any different? They just have a different political slant. But NPR and other outlets are not promoting themselves with the tagline "Fair and balanced." That's the problem I have. I think they all put their spin on things, but I honestly think Fox is the worst and promote themselves with that tag line to boot, so it's just icing on the cake.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
