mnealtx 0 #1 October 21, 2009 Link QuoteRemember when health-care reform was supposed to make life better for the middle class? That dream began to unravel this past summer when Congress proposed a bill that failed to include any competition-based reforms that would actually bend the curve of health-care costs. It fell apart completely when Democrats began papering over the gaping holes their plan would rip in the federal budget. As it now stands, the plan proposed by Democrats and the Obama administration would not only fail to reduce the cost burden on middle-class families, it would make that burden significantly worse. Consider the bill put forward by the Senate Finance Committee. From a budgetary perspective, it is straightforward. The bill creates a new health entitlement program that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates will grow over the longer term at a rate of 8% annually, which is much faster than the growth rate of the economy or tax revenues. This is the same growth rate as the House bill that Sen. Kent Conrad (D., N.D.) deep-sixed by asking the CBO to tell the truth about its impact on health-care costs. To avoid the fate of the House bill and achieve a veneer of fiscal sensibility, the Senate did three things: It omitted inconvenient truths, it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending, and it dropped the hammer on the middle class. One inconvenient truth is the fact that Congress will not allow doctors to suffer a 24% cut in their Medicare reimbursements. Senate Democrats chose to ignore this reality and rely on the promise of a cut to make their bill add up. Taking note of this fact pushes the total cost of the bill well over $1 trillion and destroys any pretense of budget balance. It is beyond fantastic to promise that future Congresses, for 10 straight years, will allow planned cuts in reimbursements to hospitals, other providers, and Medicare Advantage (thereby reducing the benefits of 25% of seniors in Medicare). The 1997 Balanced Budget Act pursued this strategy and successive Congresses steadily unwound its provisions. The very fact that this Congress is pursuing an expensive new entitlement belies the notion that members would be willing to cut existing ones. Most astounding of all is what this Congress is willing to do to struggling middle-class families. The bill would impose nearly $400 billion in new taxes and fees. Nearly 90% of that burden will be shouldered by those making $200,000 or less. Let's see, what was that quote again? "I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." Guess ole Joe Wilson was right after all...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 October 21, 2009 "it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 October 21, 2009 Quote"it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Yeah, I saw that too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #4 October 21, 2009 I guess the liberals are stumped, no stupid reply yet to the facts of the health care bill. do you think they are out of one liners to criticize the right? This health care bill will cost so much that it will reduce jobs and insurance benifits for alot of americans. I have already told my employess that if this bill passes and raises the costs to me they will see a reduction in health care coverage or even a total elimination of the coverage I buy for them. My commitment is to my keeping my shop running, not to their health care. I cannot afford up to 40% tax on my health care or theirs so health care will go and they will need to fend for themselves.Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheBachelor 5 #5 October 21, 2009 Quote I guess the liberals are stumped, no stupid reply yet to the facts of the health care bill. do you think they are out of one liners to criticize the right? Give them some time. This will be Bush's fault somehow.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #6 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote"it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Yeah, I saw that too. Bingo!! Nearly everything happening was predicted. So, I guess those who voted for Obama are not really surprised"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #7 October 21, 2009 Quote I guess the liberals are stumped, no stupid reply yet to the facts of the health care bill. do you think they are out of one liners to criticize the right? This health care bill will cost so much that it will reduce jobs and insurance benifits for alot of americans. I have already told my employess that if this bill passes and raises the costs to me they will see a reduction in health care coverage or even a total elimination of the coverage I buy for them. My commitment is to my keeping my shop running, not to their health care. I cannot afford up to 40% tax on my health care or theirs so health care will go and they will need to fend for themselves. Quote Not to mention this weeks comment stating that we need to get used to near 10% unemployment cause that will be the norm"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #8 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote "it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Yeah, I saw that too. Bingo!! Nearly everything happening was predicted. So, I guess those who voted for Obama are not really surprised Thats the thing. He has pretty much done what he said he planned on doing. Cant blame him for telling the truth about his Marxist idea's. All we can do is blame the fools that voted for him knowing this and blame fucking ignorant that didnt know this cause all they heard was "Change".Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9 October 22, 2009 QuoteThis health care bill will cost so much that it will reduce jobs and insurance benifits for alot of americans. I have already told my employess that if this bill passes and raises the costs to me they will see a reduction in health care coverage or even a total elimination of the coverage I buy for them. My commitment is to my keeping my shop running, not to their health care. I cannot afford up to 40% tax on my health care or theirs so health care will go and they will need to fend for themselves. I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? I'm at a loss as to why businesses, especially small shop owners, would be opposed to a public option that would unburden them specifically from the direct cost of providing health insurance and time, money and labor associated with administering it. I realize taxes would increase, but why are you so certain that the tax increase would be more than the savings? What specific numbers are you looking at?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #10 October 22, 2009 Quote I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? Can you please show me were any sane person has said that healthcare does not need to be reformed? just cause we don't want govt. care doesn't mean we don't know that the system need's some fixing.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #11 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuote I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? Can you please show me were any sane person has said that healthcare does not need to be reformed? just cause we don't want govt. care doesn't mean we don't know that the system need's some fixing. Awesome; please point me to the proposals you have. I'd still also like to hear specifically from marks2065. Huge multinationals can offer healthcare as a perk and cut deals with insurance companies in volumes that the little guys can never hope to. I'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #12 October 22, 2009 QuoteI'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You might not hear much from them, considering your opinions about those who are "pro-business." "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #13 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You might not hear much from them, considering your opinions about those who are "pro-business." Try to keep it on track.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #14 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? Can you please show me were any sane person has said that healthcare does not need to be reformed? just cause we don't want govt. care doesn't mean we don't know that the system need's some fixing. Awesome; please point me to the proposals you have. I'd still also like to hear specifically from marks2065. Huge multinationals can offer healthcare as a perk and cut deals with insurance companies in volumes that the little guys can never hope to. I'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You answer my question then i will answer yours. Dont expect to make BS accusations without backing your BS up!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #15 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You might not hear much from them, considering your opinions about those who are "pro-business." Try to keep it on track. Your the one that cant keep it on track! I asked a question to you accusations and you didn't answer.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #16 October 22, 2009 Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #17 October 22, 2009 Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #18 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! Please quote that in this thread. Where did I say that? I asked to hear the concerns and analysis of a small businessman. You're simply trying to derail the conversation so it doesn't take place.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #19 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! They're caught up in their high-speed wobble over FOX news and don't have time for such mundane issues. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #20 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! Please quote that in this thread. Where did I say that? I asked to hear the concerns and analysis of a small businessman. You're simply trying to derail the conversation so it doesn't take place. Ok wonder liberal..... since you wont answer my question,,,,...... i will answer yours. I am a small businessman and i fear the govt. trying to control part of the insurance industry. The govt doesnt have to compete with the insurance company's. They can print $ the insurance company's cant. I wonder who will win. You can think what ever you want cause you dont have much to loose..... I DO!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #21 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! They're caught up in their high-speed wobble over FOX news and don't have time for such mundane issues. It is amazing how mad some people get over the truthNothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #22 October 22, 2009 >The govt doesnt have to compete with the insurance company's. They >can print $ the insurance company's cant. We've heard endless diatribes about how bad the public version of healthcare would be. If you really believe that, why are you worried that people will flock to it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #23 October 22, 2009 Quote >The govt doesnt have to compete with the insurance company's. They >can print $ the insurance company's cant. We've heard endless diatribes about how bad the public version of healthcare would be. If you really believe that, why are you worried that people will flock to it? Holy fuck are you kidding me? No really............ Because it's "FREE" to them. Bill your smarter than that and you should know i'm not dumb enough to fall for thatNot only that but the current bill has a "tax credit" for company's that have employes on the govt plan.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #24 October 22, 2009 >Because it's "FREE" to them. You might want to read up on the public option, then. You are misunderstanding how it works. (Not your fault - there are a lot of GOP commentators trying their very best to make people misunderstand.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #25 October 22, 2009 Quote>Because it's "FREE" to them. You might want to read up on the public option, then. You are misunderstanding how it works. (Not your fault - there are a lot of GOP commentators trying their very best to make people misunderstand.) In fairness to that side, a lot of the proposals seem to replace actual details with "TBD by someone else, later." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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TheBachelor 5 #5 October 21, 2009 Quote I guess the liberals are stumped, no stupid reply yet to the facts of the health care bill. do you think they are out of one liners to criticize the right? Give them some time. This will be Bush's fault somehow.There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 October 21, 2009 QuoteQuote"it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Yeah, I saw that too. Bingo!! Nearly everything happening was predicted. So, I guess those who voted for Obama are not really surprised"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 October 21, 2009 Quote I guess the liberals are stumped, no stupid reply yet to the facts of the health care bill. do you think they are out of one liners to criticize the right? This health care bill will cost so much that it will reduce jobs and insurance benifits for alot of americans. I have already told my employess that if this bill passes and raises the costs to me they will see a reduction in health care coverage or even a total elimination of the coverage I buy for them. My commitment is to my keeping my shop running, not to their health care. I cannot afford up to 40% tax on my health care or theirs so health care will go and they will need to fend for themselves. Quote Not to mention this weeks comment stating that we need to get used to near 10% unemployment cause that will be the norm"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #8 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote "it promised that future Congresses will make tough choices to slow entitlement spending" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Yeah, I saw that too. Bingo!! Nearly everything happening was predicted. So, I guess those who voted for Obama are not really surprised Thats the thing. He has pretty much done what he said he planned on doing. Cant blame him for telling the truth about his Marxist idea's. All we can do is blame the fools that voted for him knowing this and blame fucking ignorant that didnt know this cause all they heard was "Change".Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 October 22, 2009 QuoteThis health care bill will cost so much that it will reduce jobs and insurance benifits for alot of americans. I have already told my employess that if this bill passes and raises the costs to me they will see a reduction in health care coverage or even a total elimination of the coverage I buy for them. My commitment is to my keeping my shop running, not to their health care. I cannot afford up to 40% tax on my health care or theirs so health care will go and they will need to fend for themselves. I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? I'm at a loss as to why businesses, especially small shop owners, would be opposed to a public option that would unburden them specifically from the direct cost of providing health insurance and time, money and labor associated with administering it. I realize taxes would increase, but why are you so certain that the tax increase would be more than the savings? What specific numbers are you looking at?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #10 October 22, 2009 Quote I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? Can you please show me were any sane person has said that healthcare does not need to be reformed? just cause we don't want govt. care doesn't mean we don't know that the system need's some fixing.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuote I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? Can you please show me were any sane person has said that healthcare does not need to be reformed? just cause we don't want govt. care doesn't mean we don't know that the system need's some fixing. Awesome; please point me to the proposals you have. I'd still also like to hear specifically from marks2065. Huge multinationals can offer healthcare as a perk and cut deals with insurance companies in volumes that the little guys can never hope to. I'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #12 October 22, 2009 QuoteI'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You might not hear much from them, considering your opinions about those who are "pro-business." "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You might not hear much from them, considering your opinions about those who are "pro-business." Try to keep it on track.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #14 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I understand your sentiments, but isn't healthcare already costing you more today than last year and predicted to rise even if a healthcare bill isn't passed? Can you please show me were any sane person has said that healthcare does not need to be reformed? just cause we don't want govt. care doesn't mean we don't know that the system need's some fixing. Awesome; please point me to the proposals you have. I'd still also like to hear specifically from marks2065. Huge multinationals can offer healthcare as a perk and cut deals with insurance companies in volumes that the little guys can never hope to. I'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You answer my question then i will answer yours. Dont expect to make BS accusations without backing your BS up!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #15 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm really curious to hear the small business owner's take on the hard math, if they actually have any. You might not hear much from them, considering your opinions about those who are "pro-business." Try to keep it on track. Your the one that cant keep it on track! I asked a question to you accusations and you didn't answer.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 October 22, 2009 Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #17 October 22, 2009 Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! Please quote that in this thread. Where did I say that? I asked to hear the concerns and analysis of a small businessman. You're simply trying to derail the conversation so it doesn't take place.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #19 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! They're caught up in their high-speed wobble over FOX news and don't have time for such mundane issues. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #20 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! Please quote that in this thread. Where did I say that? I asked to hear the concerns and analysis of a small businessman. You're simply trying to derail the conversation so it doesn't take place. Ok wonder liberal..... since you wont answer my question,,,,...... i will answer yours. I am a small businessman and i fear the govt. trying to control part of the insurance industry. The govt doesnt have to compete with the insurance company's. They can print $ the insurance company's cant. I wonder who will win. You can think what ever you want cause you dont have much to loose..... I DO!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #21 October 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Tell me specifically who I accused of what and maybe I can answer whatever it is you think I need to answer before a conversation takes place. Otherwise, you're simply not making any sense. Come on man quit your typical BS ! Get over your BS tactics! You accused the "right" of not wanting to fix health care . Most of us are willing to engage in a conversation but "alot" of liberals dont want to talk about facts ( you included)! We want to fix it but dont want the govt to control it! They're caught up in their high-speed wobble over FOX news and don't have time for such mundane issues. It is amazing how mad some people get over the truthNothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #22 October 22, 2009 >The govt doesnt have to compete with the insurance company's. They >can print $ the insurance company's cant. We've heard endless diatribes about how bad the public version of healthcare would be. If you really believe that, why are you worried that people will flock to it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #23 October 22, 2009 Quote >The govt doesnt have to compete with the insurance company's. They >can print $ the insurance company's cant. We've heard endless diatribes about how bad the public version of healthcare would be. If you really believe that, why are you worried that people will flock to it? Holy fuck are you kidding me? No really............ Because it's "FREE" to them. Bill your smarter than that and you should know i'm not dumb enough to fall for thatNot only that but the current bill has a "tax credit" for company's that have employes on the govt plan.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #24 October 22, 2009 >Because it's "FREE" to them. You might want to read up on the public option, then. You are misunderstanding how it works. (Not your fault - there are a lot of GOP commentators trying their very best to make people misunderstand.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 October 22, 2009 Quote>Because it's "FREE" to them. You might want to read up on the public option, then. You are misunderstanding how it works. (Not your fault - there are a lot of GOP commentators trying their very best to make people misunderstand.) In fairness to that side, a lot of the proposals seem to replace actual details with "TBD by someone else, later." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
