86 yr old WWII veteran speaks about gay marriage

[rushmc 23]

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Jakee just likes to provoke people, in this case he has chosen unwisely and should stop.

But he has no point, he just goes on and on....

I know, And I have NO desire to fuck him as he asked

I have read nearly all of this thread. Vortex has made very good points. jakee just cant handle it,.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,490]

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Jakee just likes to provoke people, in this case he has chosen unwisely and should stop.

Does Vortex know that you think he's a danger to others?

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But he has no point, he just goes on and on....

There's something the way Vortex writes his arguments that makes it a whole lot of fun to completely destroy them. So, generally seaking, as long as he goes on, I go on. Unless I get bored with it when he inevitably breaks down into completely incoherent, self-contradictory outbursts.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Jakee just likes to provoke people, in this case he has chosen unwisely and should stop.

Does Vortex know that you think he's a danger to others?

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But he has no point, he just goes on and on....

There's something the way Vortex writes his arguments that makes it a whole lot of fun to completely destroy them. So, generally seaking, as long as he goes on, I go on. Unless I get bored with it when he inevitably breaks down into completely incoherent, self-contradictory outbursts.

HIS "outbursts"?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[vortexring 0]

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Well, isn't that a shame? I'm still against gay marriage. Further to that, I've identified a point where, through excessive wine consumption, I have felt it necessary to make a more coherent viewpoint.
You, of all people, should appreciate that. This is my honest viewpoint.

So that means... what? You accept that all of your previous arguments were wrong, since this new one is completely different?

I've been against gay marriage from the start.

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Why does a person with a different point of view make you so angry? It sometimes cracks me up with laughter, but that isn't my intention.

"Get fucked." If there's anyone here who gets angry over the internet, that'd be you, sonny boy. I just have knocking over such an easy target.

[vortexring 0]

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Well, isn't that a shame? I'm still against gay marriage. Further to that, I've identified a point where, through excessive wine consumption, I have felt it necessary to make a more coherent viewpoint.
You, of all people, should appreciate that. This is my honest viewpoint. Why does it always make you so angry and wasp-ish? Why does a person with a different point of view make you so angry? It sometimes cracks me up with laughter, but that isn't my intention.

Despite the fact that I disagree intently with your POV, I am impressed with your patience throughout this thread. The problem is, your viewpoint is not coherent. To speak for myself, your 'honest viewpoint' makes me angry because it's blatantly homophobic.

[vortexring 0]

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Jakee just likes to provoke people, in this case he has chosen unwisely and should stop.

Does Vortex know that you think he's a danger to others?

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But he has no point, he just goes on and on....

There's something the way Vortex writes his arguments that makes it a whole lot of fun to completely destroy them. So, generally seaking, as long as he goes on, I go on. Unless I get bored with it when he inevitably breaks down into completely incoherent, self-contradictory outbursts.

My argument is simply being against gay marriage. It never has changed. What is there to destroy? Perhaps, if you're so good at proving people to be wrong in their beliefs you should make yourself the official spokesmen for Gay Rights and quickly go about achieving the legitimacy of gay marriage throughout the world.

How dare anyone have a belief Jakee disagrees with - he will destroy it - for fun!

I'm still against gay marriage.

Getting angrier?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[1969912 0]

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Is everyone against gay marriage homophobic?

No. I'm with you on this, but for slightly different reasons. Homophobic? Not me. The "homophic" claims some make are simply a way of attacking those who disagree with them.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[Amazon 7]

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Sounds like a piece of shit to me, he also lives in a scumbag town.

BTW if she took it to court they would order him to pay up or go to prison.

Not working is not considered to be a reason to not pay, they would investigate and find out.

Trust me he is..He leaft for the Navy in 1972 a few months after I left for the Air Force and he was married 6 months later. So needless to say they were all born before he got out in 1978.. a real piece of work I think he got out as an E-4 after 6 years. Today they could go after him.. back then... interstate.. she could never do a thing. My mom made sure that at least his father and she would provide them with the things that children remember fondly.

[jakee 1,490]

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I've been against gay marriage from the start.

For reasons that you accept were wrong, since they are completely different from your new angle.

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So I told Kallend to get fucked? And? Was I angry?

Were you? Think about what you're getting at here - that I can't tell from your printed word what you were feeling when you wrote that, right? Then how do you think you can know what I'm feeling when I'm writing to you? Get it?

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Your last sentence doesn't make sense.

You're right, it doesn't. The word 'fun' should have been after 'have' and before 'knocking'. And the easy target is you.

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It effects marriage as a whole.

How? By what process? And what does it matter if it does?

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Nice editing, to reinforce your PA.

The P stands for personal. I'm talking about your argument - that's not personal. You getting all snippy and talking about anger issues and telling people to fuck off - that's personal.

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Remind me; must be getting forgetful in my old age . . .

Because there is no good reason to be against it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[vortexring 0]

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Jakee just likes to provoke people, in this case he has chosen unwisely and should stop.

But he has no point, he just goes on and on....

He'd do better if he was able to stop getting so emotional over the subject. It spoils the discussion.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[funjumper101 15]

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I have read nearly all of this thread. Vortex has made very good points. jakee just cant handle it,.....

Good points if your are a totally blind and committed bigot against people who are biologically different, sexually.

Your bigotry is exactly the same if it was directed at people who have blue eyes. It is how they are made. It is natural for them to be the way they are.

The concept of un-naturalness and abnormal for a normal variant of animal behavior is a construct of society that has no basis in scientific fact. Get over it already.

Failing to see the connection between the bullshit slung by VIs in the past, regarding interracial marriage and the prevention of womens suffrage, is a manifestation of moral and spiritual blindness of the conservatives. They just can't get past their entrenched beliefs, even when, in their own words, they know that they are wrong.

Right wing village idiots simply do not comprehend progressive thinking. That shit don't make sense to them at all...

Another right wing VI chimes in about how the original VI is correct, without actually reading and understanding the writings of same. Same bullshit lack of thinking process, same stupid VI spew, different VI.

You folks are disgusting. Go listen to the man's words, as he spoke them.
Try to widen your narrow closed little minds a small amount.

Just like interracial marriage and women's suffrage, the change WILL happen and society will be the better for it. As usual, the conservatives are in the way of societal progress.

These are the same assholes that hate Medicare and prevented it from happening until 1965.

[vortexring 0]

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I've been against gay marriage from the start.

For reasons that you accept were wrong, since they are completely different from your new angle.

I've been against gay marriage from the start. If we continue the discussion, I'll no doubt discover and articulate further reasons.

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So I told Kallend to get fucked? And? Was I angry?

Were you? Think about what you're getting at here - that I can't tell from your printed word what you were feeling when you wrote that, right? Then how do you think you can know what I'm feeling when I'm writing to you? Get it?

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Your last sentence doesn't make sense.

You're right, it doesn't. The word 'fun' should have been after 'have' and before 'knocking'. And the easy target is you.

[rushmc 23]

I am no bigot. I don't care that you call me one.

Why? because you bring intolerance and emotion to the game. NO thinking allowed

Look everyone.

Another opinionated person that has to hide behind a keyboard and post anonymously

Gotta make a person proud

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

But But But.. its all the NEA's fault...

[vortexring 0]

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I have read nearly all of this thread. Vortex has made very good points. jakee just cant handle it,.....

Good points if your are a totally blind and committed bigot against people who are biologically different, sexually.

Your bigotry is exactly the same if it was directed at people who have blue eyes. It is how they are made. It is natural for them to be the way they are.

The concept of un-naturalness and abnormal for a normal variant of animal behavior is a construct of society that has no basis in scientific fact. Get over it already.

Homosexuality is natural but still abnormal. It's occasionally natural for siblings to want to marry one another yet still abnormal. This isn't bigotry. If you condone same sex marriage then the reasoning must also condone incestuous marriage.

And there are perfectly good reasons why not to, as previously mentioned.

If that's somebodies belief, it doesn't make them homophobic. That's another issue I have with todays politically correct society; express a viewpoint of being against gay marriage and you're labeled a homophobe - express issues with immigration and you're a racist.

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Failing to see the connection between the bullshit slung by VIs in the past, regarding interracial marriage and the prevention of womens suffrage, is a manifestation of moral and spiritual blindness of the conservatives. They just can't get past their entrenched beliefs, even when, in their own words, they know that they are wrong.

Right wing village idiots simply do not comprehend progressive thinking. That shit don't make sense to them at all...

Progressive thinking? Branding people with opposite beliefs to yourself (in this topic) as village idiots isn't very progressive now, is it?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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>If we continue the discussion, I'll no doubt discover and articulate further reasons.

That's an interesting statement. So you are certain that if you continue to deliberate on it, all your ensuing reasons will be reasons you are _against_ gay marriage? That seems to leave little room for anything that might contradict your initial assumptions, and indeed makes thoughtful consideration of the topic a waste of your time.

[billvon 2,991]

>That's another issue I have with todays politically correct society;
>express a viewpoint of being against gay marriage and you're labeled a
>homophobe - express issues with immigration and you're a racist.

Would you consider the Baptist minister who refused to marry an interracial couple a racist?

[rushmc 23]

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>That's another issue I have with todays politically correct society;
>express a viewpoint of being against gay marriage and you're labeled a
>homophobe - express issues with immigration and you're a racist.

Would you consider the Baptist minister who refused to marry an interracial couple a racist?

Depends. While I disagree with his reasoning as he has no right in my mind to make that kind of decision, none of us have any idea (based on the story you reference) if he hates any race or not.

In either case, calling someone a racist or any other name serves no purpose IMO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[vortexring 0]

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>If we continue the discussion, I'll no doubt discover and articulate further reasons.

That's an interesting statement. So you are certain that if you continue to deliberate on it, all your ensuing reasons will be reasons you are _against_ gay marriage? That seems to leave little room for anything that might contradict your initial assumptions, and indeed makes thoughtful consideration of the topic a waste of your time.

The fact I'm able to consider the subject further could potentially provide areas where I might reconsider my viewpoint.

I very much doubt so for the simple reason this discussion is now 12 pages long, the last time I checked, and despite being labeled a homophobe and a bigot, I'm now even more against gay marriage than ever before.

How could that trend possibly change? All I've heard is that to be against gay marriage means you're homophobic, a village idiot, a bigot, prejudiced, and so on.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[billvon 2,991]

>The fact I'm able to consider the subject further could potentially
>provide areas where I might reconsider my viewpoint.

Fair enough.

>and despite being labeled a homophobe and a bigot, I'm now even
>more against gay marriage than ever before.

Those two seem to go hand-in-hand to me. If someone was against interracial marriage, and were called a racist, that would not tend to convince them to support interracial marriage. Indeed, they would likely start defending their position all the more, since that's what people who are attacked tend to do.

[vortexring 0]

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>That's another issue I have with todays politically correct society;
>express a viewpoint of being against gay marriage and you're labeled a
>homophobe - express issues with immigration and you're a racist.

Would you consider the Baptist minister who refused to marry an interracial couple a racist?

What does it have to do with the elements of politically correct people in our societies being so quick to brand people as homophobes or racists?

Are Baptist ministers against interracial marriage? Probably in the South. I'd need to know his reasoning as to why; perhaps his religion is racist or he is? Or maybe he believed the couple were illegal immigrants? Or intergalactic aliens? Who knows? I assume you do.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[billvon 2,991]

>What does it have to do with the elements of politically correct people
>in our societies being so quick to brand people as homophobes or
>racists?

I was wondering if you considered him a racist just because he did not want a black man to marry a white woman.

>I'd need to know his reasoning as to why . . .

All we can go by is what he says:

"I'm not a racist. I do ceremonies for black couples right here in my house. My main concern is for the children. . . . I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

(BTW he is a baptist but was functioning in his capacity as justice of the peace, not minister; my mistake.)

[Caitlin89 0]

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Well, isn't that a shame? I'm still against gay marriage. Further to that, I've identified a point where, through excessive wine consumption, I have felt it necessary to make a more coherent viewpoint.
You, of all people, should appreciate that. This is my honest viewpoint. Why does it always make you so angry and wasp-ish? Why does a person with a different point of view make you so angry? It sometimes cracks me up with laughter, but that isn't my intention.

Despite the fact that I disagree intently with your POV, I am impressed with your patience throughout this thread. The problem is, your viewpoint is not coherent. To speak for myself, your 'honest viewpoint' makes me angry because it's blatantly homophobic.

Thanks. Although I take offence at being called homophobic. Is everyone against gay marriage homophobic? I've genuinely took time and effort to delve into the reasoning of why I'm against gay marriage. Would a homophobe do such a thing?

I'd imagine they'd have their beliefs and have no reason to question or consider them to any extent.

So, enough of the name calling.

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>The fact I'm able to consider the subject further could potentially
>provide areas where I might reconsider my viewpoint.

Fair enough.

>and despite being labeled a homophobe and a bigot, I'm now even
>more against gay marriage than ever before.

Those two seem to go hand-in-hand to me. If someone was against interracial marriage, and were called a racist, that would not tend to convince them to support interracial marriage. Indeed, they would likely start defending their position all the more, since that's what people who are attacked tend to do.

Not necessarily. A reasonable individual would question why he's being attacked; why he's being labeled a racist. If he's reasonable, if he's willing to question his own opinion, if he's willing to listen to the people rudely attacking him and not attack them back, would he be still likely to have racist views?

Who can tell? Why should somebody be against interracial marriage if they're nothing but racist?
It doesn't equate to somebody being against gay marriage as homophobic or bigoted.

Unfortunately it seems everyone here who are for gay marriage thinks like this, who are in fact bigots themselves.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Well, isn't that a shame? I'm still against gay marriage. Further to that, I've identified a point where, through excessive wine consumption, I have felt it necessary to make a more coherent viewpoint.
You, of all people, should appreciate that. This is my honest viewpoint. Why does it always make you so angry and wasp-ish? Why does a person with a different point of view make you so angry? It sometimes cracks me up with laughter, but that isn't my intention.

Despite the fact that I disagree intently with your POV, I am impressed with your patience throughout this thread. The problem is, your viewpoint is not coherent. To speak for myself, your 'honest viewpoint' makes me angry because it's blatantly homophobic.

No, it is not incoherent. He makes the point very well and I happen to agree with. It is NOT homophobic as you claim, but claiming he is, is an attempt for someone like you to try and shut the other side up. Luckily, that dishonest tactic is now seen more for what it is. Disgusting