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Quote> A reasonable individual would question why he's being attacked . . . .
That has not been my experience here. Any questioning merely ossifies the original opinion. Indeed, some of the more extreme posters have taken positions that I know from personal experience they don't hold - but will defend them to the death rather than admit defeat.
I meant if they're reasonable they'd at least question themselves privately. But you're discussing extreme posters - do I come under that category? My primary reason for being here is that I often find it educational, especially where I'm led to question, and learn more about my own beliefs.
Would a bigot, or racist, or homophobe be so inclined? If I become inclined towards gay marriage, I'd be happy enough to admit it, and explain why. It's no big deal to me.
Quote>Who can tell? Why should somebody be against interracial marriage
>if they're nothing but racist?
Not sure what you are saying. Why _else_ would they be against interracial marriage? I can think of someone coming up with a dozen different reasons why it's a bad idea, emphasizing all the time that THEY'RE NOT RACIST. Every such reason I've seen, though, is based on the idea that blacks are different than whites and should have different rights. And that _is_ racist.
Well what can ya do mate! Often people believe only what they want to believe; and be unable to perceive this fault. Perhaps you think I'm like that - so blind to the truth I can write it, look at it, think it, yet not believe it?
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
Quote>It does seem he's being racist.
It seems to me as well. However, this is an example of both of us (using your words) being quick to brand someone else as a racist.
Utter nonsense! I wasn't quick to brand him as anything - I even asked several questions to understand the situation fully, and even brought out an area where you'd made an error in your original statement! And I said it does seem he's a racist.
I in no way was quick to brand him a racist.
I also think you're mistaken in continually relating peoples racism towards interracial marriage with peoples attitudes to gay marriage. Very, very mistaken.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
I meant if they're reasonable they'd at least question themselves privately. But you're discussing extreme posters - do I come under that category? My primary reason for being here is that I often find it educational, especially where I'm led to question, and learn more about my own beliefs.
Would a bigot, or racist, or homophobe be so inclined? If I become inclined towards gay marriage, I'd be happy enough to admit it, and explain why. It's no big deal to me.
Would a bigot, or racist, or homophobe be so inclined? If I become inclined towards gay marriage, I'd be happy enough to admit it, and explain why. It's no big deal to me.
This is a valid point. Again, regardless of what I think about your opinion, I admire the way in which you take criticism. While I'm not sure you've questioned your own beliefs anywhere in this thread, expecting you to do so in a 12 page online forum is also unrealistic.
billvon 2,990
>Utter nonsense! I wasn't quick to brand him as anything . . .
You said "It does seem he's being racist" after seeing only a few words on a website. That's pretty quick. (Also correct IMO.)
>In in no way was quick to brand him a racist.
Using those standards, no one is "branding" anyone in this thread, then.
>I also think you're mistaken in continually relating peoples racism
>towards interracial marriage with peoples attitudes to gay marriage. Very,
>very mistaken.
I think the more research you did into the stated (and unstated) reasons that interracial marriage was banned back in the 50's and 60's the more you'd come to see the similarities, as well.
You said "It does seem he's being racist" after seeing only a few words on a website. That's pretty quick. (Also correct IMO.)
>In in no way was quick to brand him a racist.
Using those standards, no one is "branding" anyone in this thread, then.
>I also think you're mistaken in continually relating peoples racism
>towards interracial marriage with peoples attitudes to gay marriage. Very,
>very mistaken.
I think the more research you did into the stated (and unstated) reasons that interracial marriage was banned back in the 50's and 60's the more you'd come to see the similarities, as well.
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I'd imagine you'd find them still there. What I have done is provided what's hopefully a more coherent point of view.
COHERENT??? Not even close.
You said, from post 66:
QuoteI'm a homophobe. Of course, what else could I be? Everyone who disagrees with same sex marriage must be homophobic, right? Fuck off!
and from post 170:
QuoteDon't think so - the majority of our societies would rather not tolerate it either. That in itself is a perfectly good argument. I want to see men in my society. Ladies. Not fucking pampering gay boys, butch dykes.
Hardly coherent. Neither logically connected or consistent.
'Shell
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When it makes homophobe noises..... using all the homophobe buzzwords... making all the same tired homophobe points.. it must be a yeti.
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QuoteWhen it makes homophobe noises..... using all the homophobe buzzwords... making all the same tired homophobe points.. it must be a yeti.
Now, now ... don't be bringing the yeti into this. He didn't say anything.
'Shell
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This is further reinforcement of your continual lack of tolerance for other peoples beliefs, and how they make you angry.
Pot ... kettle ...
![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
What I'd like to ask you is how does a gay couple getting married affect your life?
How does it PERSONALLY affect your life.
And before you ask ME the same question, I'll just answer it ...
It DOESN'T affect my life.
It makes no difference in my quality of life.
It makes no difference in the company I keep.
It makes no difference in the friends I have.
It makes NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
Ball's in your court.
'Shell
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QuoteQuote
This is further reinforcement of your continual lack of tolerance for other peoples beliefs, and how they make you angry.
Pot ... kettle ...
What I'd like to ask you is how does a gay couple getting married affect your life?
How does it PERSONALLY affect your life.
And before you ask ME the same question, I'll just answer it ...
It DOESN'T affect my life.
It makes no difference in my quality of life.
It makes no difference in the company I keep.
It makes no difference in the friends I have.
It makes NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
Ball's in your court.
No......
Your boobies are in complete control ofyour life.....
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QuoteQuoteIs everyone against gay marriage homophobic?
No. I'm with you on this, but for slightly different reasons. Homophobic? Not me. The "homophic" claims some make are simply a way of attacking those who disagree with them.
I don't know ... when someone says this in a post:
Don't think so - the majority of our societies would rather not tolerate it either. That in itself is a perfectly good argument. I want to see men in my society. Ladies. Not fucking pampering gay boys, butch dykes.
it leads me to believe they are homophobic ...
'Shell
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QuoteQuoteQuote
This is further reinforcement of your continual lack of tolerance for other peoples beliefs, and how they make you angry.
Pot ... kettle ...
What I'd like to ask you is how does a gay couple getting married affect your life?
How does it PERSONALLY affect your life.
And before you ask ME the same question, I'll just answer it ...
It DOESN'T affect my life.
It makes no difference in my quality of life.
It makes no difference in the company I keep.
It makes no difference in the friends I have.
It makes NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
Ball's in your court.
No......
Your boobies are in complete control ofyour life.....
NO! Only when I'm driving to LP. The rest of the time they're in the console.
'Shell
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QuoteQuoteQuoteIs everyone against gay marriage homophobic?
No. I'm with you on this, but for slightly different reasons. Homophobic? Not me. The "homophic" claims some make are simply a way of attacking those who disagree with them.
I don't know ... when someone says this in a post:
Don't think so - the majority of our societies would rather not tolerate it either. That in itself is a perfectly good argument. I want to see men in my society. Ladies. Not fucking pampering gay boys, butch dykes.
it leads me to believe they are homophobic ...
He may be homophobic. He may even be a homosexual. I don't care.
It's interesting, though, that you left a few things out when quoting his post (#170): "
" Why did you omit the emoticons that immediately followed what you quoted?"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIs everyone against gay marriage homophobic?
No. I'm with you on this, but for slightly different reasons. Homophobic? Not me. The "homophic" claims some make are simply a way of attacking those who disagree with them.
I don't know ... when someone says this in a post:
Don't think so - the majority of our societies would rather not tolerate it either. That in itself is a perfectly good argument. I want to see men in my society. Ladies. Not fucking pampering gay boys, butch dykes.
it leads me to believe they are homophobic ...
He may be homophobic. He may even be a homosexual. I don't care.
It's interesting, though, that you left a few things out when quoting his post (#170): "
Well, I DID quote those emoticons in my original reply to him in post #309.
So, in your eyes, do little smiley faces negate what he said?
And what IS your point about pointing out the smiley faces?? Or do you even have one.
Edited to add:
Especially when the smiley faces are LAUGH LAUGH EVIL, and not ANGEL as you implied.
'Shell
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QuoteWell, I DID quote those emoticons in my original reply to him in post #309.
So, in your eyes, do little smiley faces negate what he said?
And what IS your point about pointing out the smiley faces?? Or do you even have one.
You didn't answer my question, but I'll assume you made an innocent error of omission.
Yes, I do have a point: He seems to have been joking.
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
Shell666 0
QuoteQuoteWell, I DID quote those emoticons in my original reply to him in post #309.
So, in your eyes, do little smiley faces negate what he said?
And what IS your point about pointing out the smiley faces?? Or do you even have one.
You didn't answer my question, but I'll assume you made an innocent error of omission.
Yes, I do have a point: He seems to have been joking.
I didn't bother to retype them in.
Cut and paste does not add the "[" and "]". I was being lazy.
And yes, a little
would imply a joke. A little 
not so much.
Do I stand by my comment about the homophobia. I sure do.
'Shell
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QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, I DID quote those emoticons in my original reply to him in post #309.
So, in your eyes, do little smiley faces negate what he said?
And what IS your point about pointing out the smiley faces?? Or do you even have one.
You didn't answer my question, but I'll assume you made an innocent error of omission.
Yes, I do have a point: He seems to have been joking.
I didn't bother to retype them in.
Cut and paste does not add the "[" and "]". I was being lazy.
And yes, a little
Do I stand by my comment about the homophobia. I sure do.
Took the timee to add "bold" tags, but not to include the emoticons. Hmmm.
Go ahead and stand by your homophobe diagnosis, but basing it on the comment you quoted is a bit gay
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
Shell666 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWell, I DID quote those emoticons in my original reply to him in post #309.
So, in your eyes, do little smiley faces negate what he said?
And what IS your point about pointing out the smiley faces?? Or do you even have one.
You didn't answer my question, but I'll assume you made an innocent error of omission.
Yes, I do have a point: He seems to have been joking.
I didn't bother to retype them in.
Cut and paste does not add the "[" and "]". I was being lazy.
And yes, a little
Do I stand by my comment about the homophobia. I sure do.
Took the timee to add "bold" tags, but not to include the emoticons. Hmmm.
Go ahead and stand by your homophobe diagnosis, but basing it on the comment you quoted is a bit gay
Thanks, Princess. I'll take that under advisement.
'Shell
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWell, I DID quote those emoticons in my original reply to him in post #309.
So, in your eyes, do little smiley faces negate what he said?
And what IS your point about pointing out the smiley faces?? Or do you even have one.
You didn't answer my question, but I'll assume you made an innocent error of omission.
Yes, I do have a point: He seems to have been joking.
I didn't bother to retype them in.
Cut and paste does not add the "[" and "]". I was being lazy.
And yes, a little
Do I stand by my comment about the homophobia. I sure do.
Took the timee to add "bold" tags, but not to include the emoticons. Hmmm.
Go ahead and stand by your homophobe diagnosis, but basing it on the comment you quoted is a bit gay
Thanks, Princess. I'll take that under advisement.
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
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I'd imagine you'd find them still there. What I have done is provided what's hopefully a more coherent point of view.
COHERENT??? Not even close.
You said, from post 66:QuoteI'm a homophobe. Of course, what else could I be? Everyone who disagrees with same sex marriage must be homophobic, right? Fuck off!
and from post 170:QuoteDon't think so - the majority of our societies would rather not tolerate it either. That in itself is a perfectly good argument. I want to see men in my society. Ladies. Not fucking pampering gay boys, butch dykes.
Hardly coherent. Neither logically connected or consistent.
Agreed, hence the expressed desire to post a more coherant argument sober. Perhaps I should make my text red whenever I'm posting after a few drinks . . . although not posting whatsoever would probably be a better solution.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
QuoteQuote
This is further reinforcement of your continual lack of tolerance for other peoples beliefs, and how they make you angry.
Pot ... kettle ...
What I'd like to ask you is how does a gay couple getting married affect your life?
How does it PERSONALLY affect your life.
And before you ask ME the same question, I'll just answer it ...
It DOESN'T affect my life.
It makes no difference in my quality of life.
It makes no difference in the company I keep.
It makes no difference in the friends I have.
It makes NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW I LIVE MY LIFE.
Ball's in your court.
It effects my life through the undermining of marriage in a general Western society where marriage is already undermined through varying reasons. Where it effects me personally is the social problems we see through marriage breakdown. These social problems can quite easily have a direct effect on your life.
So one of my reasons for being against gay marriage is that I believe it'll undermine marriage with negative social implications.
Is it homophobic to have this belief?
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
It seems to me as well. However, this is an example of both of us (using your words) being quick to brand someone else as a racist. That's not because we're being overly politically correct. It's because there still ARE racists, homophobes and bigots out there, no matter how they see themselves (and no matter how much a given political party supports their bigotry.) We do no one any good by condoning their actions.
>Isn't that perfectly fine within the US constitution?
Yes, it is, just as gay marriage is. But up until the 1960's, people were using the very same US legal system to systematically deny interracial couples the right to marry. It took a Supreme Court case in 1967 to state once and for all that blacks could marry whites. I fear it will take the same sort of action to legalize gay marriage.
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