Quote>So if you lived in the Netherlands, you would become a supporter of
>anti-gay marriage, since divorce rates have increased since gay marriage
>became legal?
No, because I think people should retain their rights even if rates of crime/divorce/poverty etc increase as a result. Human rights are more important than temporary safety.
However, you have stated that one of your biggest issues is "social problems we see through marriage breakdown." If that's the case, then surely if gay marriage were shown to help prevent marriage breakdown, you'd support it.
However, I suspect that's not your biggest (or even one of the bigger) issues.
Of course, because your unstated suspicion is that I'm a homophobe, yet I don't hate homosexuals nor fear them.
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billvon 2,991
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>Of course, because your unstated suspicion is that I'm a homophobe
No, because you've contradicted yourself on the gay-marriage-as-social-evil angle.
No, because you've contradicted yourself on the gay-marriage-as-social-evil angle.
PLFXpert 0
QuoteThe reference to survival is more to reinforce my point that gay marriage is wrong and abnormal.
I am wondering, however, if you believe our species_would_survive even if we allow gay marriage. If you believe we would survive, than I am not sure how survival reinforces your point that "gay marriage is wrong and abnormal".
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Quote>Of course, because your unstated suspicion is that I'm a homophobe
No, because you've contradicted yourself on the gay-marriage-as-social-evil angle.
So that's my biggest issue? That I've contradicted myself? My biggest issue is that I'm against gay marriage.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
QuoteQuoteThe reference to survival is more to reinforce my point that gay marriage is wrong and abnormal.
I am wondering, however, if you believe our species_would_survive even if we allow gay marriage. If you believe we would survive, than I am not sure how survival reinforces your point that "gay marriage is wrong and abnormal".
It's reinforcement is through the abnormality of homosexuality. It effects a minority people. Which is good. I also wish it to remain so.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
PLFXpert 0
QuoteIt's reinforcement is through the abnormality of homosexuality.
We can or cannot survive (or would it be more or less difficult?) if gay marriage is allowed?
QuoteIt effects a minority people.
Perhaps you have said before (too lengthy of a thread filled with irrelevance for me to read in its entirety), your statement sounds as if you submit one is born gay. Yes?
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jakee 1,489
QuoteThat doesn't matter; it's always been wrong in my agrument, because it is wrong. It's the supporters of gay marriage who are being irrational.
Are you really that stupid?
You admit that you're opposition to gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with any actual reasons that you can explain, it's simply down top your prejudice against it (it feels wrong) and yet you think it's other people who are being irrational? That's mental.
QuoteIf somebodies method of arguing upsets you so much, perhaps you'd be better off doing something else.
Your method of argument doesn't upset me. I fucking love it, it makes it so damn easy to prove you wrong at every turn. (It's also painfully obvious to everyone that you only trot out the 'emotional' card when you can't think of any other way to defend yourself. It's false, it's old and it stands up to no real scrutiny, just like all of your other arguments.
QuotePsml
You couldn't even get that right. Says it all, really.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
billvon 2,991
>My biggest issue is that I'm against gay marriage.
Right. And from what you've said so far, it's because you think it's just plain wrong. Not because society will be harmed by it, because you've said that you still wouldn't support it if it was shown to help straight marriages survive.
And the "it's just plain wrong" angle is the same angle used by the people who opposed interracial marriages, and kept them illegal in many parts of the US until 1967. Today, you think interracial marriages are OK, and that people who refuse to perform them are racists. Yet they are using the same logic; they just feel interracial marriages are wrong.
Right. And from what you've said so far, it's because you think it's just plain wrong. Not because society will be harmed by it, because you've said that you still wouldn't support it if it was shown to help straight marriages survive.
And the "it's just plain wrong" angle is the same angle used by the people who opposed interracial marriages, and kept them illegal in many parts of the US until 1967. Today, you think interracial marriages are OK, and that people who refuse to perform them are racists. Yet they are using the same logic; they just feel interracial marriages are wrong.
jakee 1,489
QuoteIt's reinforcement is through the abnormality of homosexuality. It effects a minority people. Which is good. I also wish it to remain so.
What do you mean by that? Do you think homosexuality would spread if gay marriage were allowed? Yu know it's not infectious, right?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
The reference to survival is more to reinforce my point that gay marriage is wrong and abnormal.
What will be next in your opinion?
Incestual marriage. Polygamous marriage. Further undermining of an institution with negative social consequences.
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'