kallend 2,027 #26 October 22, 2009 Quote He came over as insincere, untrustworthy, creepy and a total liar. . Why hold back? Say what you really think.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #27 October 22, 2009 Ok, for the sake of objectivity....erm...No, absolutly nothing about him was redeming. Although I do agree that imigration is out of control, but there again Baroness Warsi said the same thing.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #28 October 22, 2009 Quote The BNP should be allowed to be represented on the BBC so long as their views expressed do not in anyway break the law. So, Muslim preachers can preach hate, and that's not breaking the law?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #29 October 22, 2009 Quote but their underlying philosophy is one of hate and division And Islam isn't?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #30 October 22, 2009 Quote If you don't let them speak, how can you argue against them? Exactly. Educated and informed citizens should be allowed to make their own decisions. If they are truly idiots, let them show it.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #31 October 22, 2009 Quote Anyone with any accumen should be able to destroy his arguments easily and expose him as the hate mongerer that he is. Exactly. Is Ireland producing educating citizens?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuote but their underlying philosophy is one of hate and division And Islam isn't? No, the underlying philosophy of Islam is not one of hate and division.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #33 October 22, 2009 Quote Is the BBC a PUBLIC service or a private one? TV in Britain is government controlled. They have folks driving around in vans with electronics that show which people are actually watching TV. If they aren't paying the tax, then the government comes down on them.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 October 22, 2009 Quote No, the underlying philosophy of Islam is not one of hate and division. Islam is a religion of justice, as they define it. And their definition of justice is questionable.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #35 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuote No, the underlying philosophy of Islam is not one of hate and division. Islam is a religion of justice, as they define it. And their definition of justice is questionable. You seem to be confusing Islam with the ideology of those who have hijacked Islam and twisted its meaning to fit their own political agenda. That's a lot like assuming that Eric Rudolph is a typical Christian, faithful to the underlying philosophy of Christianity.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #36 October 22, 2009 Quote You seem to be confusing Islam with the ideology... Nope.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuote The BNP should be allowed to be represented on the BBC so long as their views expressed do not in anyway break the law. So, Muslim preachers can preach hate, and that's not breaking the law?Only when done by the christian right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #38 October 22, 2009 QuoteQuote You seem to be confusing Islam with the ideology... Nope. Okay. In that case, it would appear that you're merely ignorant about Islam.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 October 22, 2009 Of course they should be allowed, just as people who tan easily can rag on and on and on about all the blondes and pasty white northern Europeans who moved to the small country at the eastern shore of the Mediterranean who want all of the people who don’t tan to go home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 October 23, 2009 Yes. Mind you, I'm using American standards. In the US, even hate speech and slander (lies) are protected by our Constitution's freedom of speech guarantees. (In the US, you can be sued civilly for slander, but you may not be prosecuted criminally for it.) This case is in the UK, where, along with the rest of Western Europe (but unlike the US), hate speech and slander are restricted, to one degree or another, by criminal laws. This sort of debate dates back at least to Socrates and Plato discussing the proper definition of "justice". In a healthy and robust democratic society, the most just society is achieved by allowing truth to collide with error (including virulent and repugnant hate speech) in the free marketplace of ideas and expression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #41 October 23, 2009 QuoteVery interesting programe. Jack Straw was very strong on the attack, very weal in defence. Baroness Warsi was great. Nick Griffen did proberbly more to loose votes for the BNP tonight than at any time upto now. He came over as insincere, untrustworthy, creepy and a total liar. I had expected him to be more personable actually. Undoubtedly letting him on the show was the right thing to do. Yes, it was. Here in the US, groups such as the KKK are allowed to hold rallies and make speeches (we had one where they spoke from the steps of the Capitol building in Madison). That's what freedom of speech really means. That you let even the ones you hate express their views. The really ugly ones usually just shoot themselves in the foot with their own mouth (mixed metaphor, but you know what I mean). Bring them out into the light and show the world what they are really about."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #42 October 23, 2009 >Islam is a religion of justice, as they define it. And their definition of >justice is questionable. The word "Islam" comes from the Arabic word for peace. "Muslim" comes from the word "one who submits to God." The five pillars of the religion are: Shahada - Accepting the one true God (Allah) Salat - Prayer Zakat - Charity Sawm of Ramadan - Fasting Hajj - Pilgrimage While justice is definitely mentioned in the Quran (as is true with most religions) it's not based solely or even mostly on it. It is merely one virtue among many, as it is with Christianity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #43 October 23, 2009 Quote Muzzling the BNP only gives them "victim" status. If they're really crazy extremists like they seem, letting everyone see that is a good thing. A good example of that is the documentary "Blood in the Face": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101479/ They put white extremists in front of cameras, and just let them talk. It is astonishing what asses these morons will make of themselves when given the opportunity."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #44 October 23, 2009 QuoteVery interesting programe. Jack Straw was very strong on the attack, very weal in defence. Baroness Warsi was great. Nick Griffen did proberbly more to loose votes for the BNP tonight than at any time upto now. He came over as insincere, untrustworthy, creepy and a total liar. I had expected him to be more personable actually. Undoubtedly letting him on the show was the right thing to do. Yeap, I agree. Thankfully, he did his cause no good last night. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #45 October 23, 2009 QuoteQuote The BNP should be allowed to be represented on the BBC so long as their views expressed do not in anyway break the law. So, Muslim preachers can preach hate, and that's not breaking the law? I don't have any dual standards on this one.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #46 October 23, 2009 QuoteQuote Anyone with any accumen should be able to destroy his arguments easily and expose him as the hate mongerer that he is. Exactly. Is Ireland producing educating citizens? The program is a Uk program not a Irish one.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #47 October 23, 2009 QuoteQuote You seem to be confusing Islam with the ideology... Nope. Clearly your understanding of Islam is very limited. There are people who claim to be Muslims who preach violence, just as there are Christians and Jews who do the same. That doesn't mean that they are representative of their faiths either. There are passages in the Koran, Torah and Bible which advocate seperation and violence against those who do not believe. There are also verses in all three which say the opposite. Yet the vast overwhelming majority of adherants to all three religions are peaceful people. Anyway, this thread isn't about Islam but the BBC and the BNPs right to freedomm of speech.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #48 October 23, 2009 QuoteQuote Is the BBC a PUBLIC service or a private one? TV in Britain is government controlled. They have folks driving around in vans with electronics that show which people are actually watching TV. If they aren't paying the tax, then the government comes down on them. Not quite correct. Only the BBC is funded by the licence fee, the other stations are commercially independant companies.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #49 October 23, 2009 QuoteQuote No, the underlying philosophy of Islam is not one of hate and division. Islam is a religion of justice, as they define it. And their definition of justice is questionable. As is your understanding of IslamWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 October 23, 2009 Spot onWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
