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QuoteQuoteQuote...me as a Libertarian voted GOP...... well I can tell you that's not true in my case. I did vote for Barr.
Oh, man. Why? You could have just written in Ron Paul.
I don't know how it would have worked in his state, but a write-in vote for Ron Paul wouldn't count in California, because Ron Paul hadn't declared as a write-in candidate, and the vote would be completely wasted.
You mean as opposed to "partially" wasted?
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QuoteQuoteAnd people poo-poo my assertion that Repubs and Libertarians are but a few degrees apart?????
People have an idea of how First Past the Post electoral systems function.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_voting_system
OK, that only establishes how they get elected, the process, not the actual slight diff between Repubs and Libertarians. I don't see your point.
Lucky... 0
Quote>Socialism and Communism don't work?
No more so than pure capitalism works. The best systems use all three.
Totally agree. Systems that try to mainatain a pure system are usualy the FU'd ones. Look at pre-wall USSR, current N Korea and the US today.
Lucky... 0
QuoteActual governing should be handled at the most local level possible.
Yea, they treid that pre-Civil War; how did that work out?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote...me as a Libertarian voted GOP...... well I can tell you that's not true in my case. I did vote for Barr.
Oh, man. Why? You could have just written in Ron Paul.
I don't know how it would have worked in his state, but a write-in vote for Ron Paul wouldn't count in California, because Ron Paul hadn't declared as a write-in candidate, and the vote would be completely wasted.
You mean as opposed to "partially" wasted?
I mean as in wouldn't even be counted, as opposed to be counted towards a candidate who did not have a chance of winning as a way to make a political statement.
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QuoteHow can so many people get this so wrong?
Right, Nutty Paul's back and forth I'm a Libertarian - no wait I'm a Libertarian psychosis gets 3% every election cycle and he and his electorate are right, we're all wrong????
QuoteLibertarianism grants the individual rights, lots of them; and stipulates that others are not to violate them. So to say it has no controls is just completely wrong.
And they call the cessation of virt all social svs a right. So just declare everything in your desires a right and there ya go. Libertarians want to make a nation of 300M like that of a rogue nation of 20,000.
QuoteHaving rules about the rights of individuals is mutually exclusive of anarchy.
Uh huh, it might be written in a flowery way, butteh result would be an ever more lopsided disparity of wealth and massive outbreaks of poverty and starvation until all was trashed.
QuoteCheck the party platform.
Oh I have in the past and it's nice and vague; full of flowery BS. Show me their process on how to attack poverty, social welfare, HC for the 47M, etc, etc... I know, let the churches take care of it. What a joke.
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteHow can so many people get this so wrong?
Intentional "misunderstanding" to create a straw man. It lets them rant about how libertarians just want to kill and eat the weak.
No, they just want to ignore them and let them dry up and blow away.
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I love it when psuedo-anarchist bourgeoisie like you come out to play.. its laughable to believe that your idea of a utopia could work.. till everyone was lobotomized
Dont you really espouse Marxist ideals.. that have yet to work anywhere?
I like it when self-evident fuckwits don't understand basic political theories and go out of their way to make themselves look stupid - wd.
Oh that is obvious... you do it so well... you at least give us a good laugh... Just remember we are laughing AT you...not with you.
Thats ok because nobody can hear you over the laughter of bringing Marxism into it.
Where do you propose to have your wet dream LobotomyLand??
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote...me as a Libertarian voted GOP...... well I can tell you that's not true in my case. I did vote for Barr.
Oh, man. Why? You could have just written in Ron Paul.
I don't know how it would have worked in his state, but a write-in vote for Ron Paul wouldn't count in California, because Ron Paul hadn't declared as a write-in candidate, and the vote would be completely wasted.
You mean as opposed to "partially" wasted?
I mean as in wouldn't even be counted, as opposed to be counted towards a candidate who did not have a chance of winning as a way to make a political statement.
Yeah, I knew what you meant. I just don't happen to think those kinds of "political statements" are particularly effective. If protest votes don't affect the election, they're generally forgotten. If they do, they often fall into the "unforeseen consequences" category such as when Perot helped elect Clinton or when Nader helped elect Bush. In neither case did the recipient of the protest vote benefit and in fact both candidates were effectively marginalized as a result.
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-- Finally, records show that Ronald Madison, who was mentally retarded since birth, was shot seven times, not once, as the police say.
so what you're saying is that it was government interference that killed him.
what was your point again?
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Rob
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-- Finally, records show that Ronald Madison, who was mentally retarded since birth, was shot seven times, not once, as the police say.
so what you're saying is that it was government interference that killed him.
what was your point again?
The point was the fake cop and the inconsistencies... andwhat happens when there is a breakdown in the protection that most people have to have from the sheepdogs.
Lucky... 0
Quote(Pssst - don't anybody tell Lucky that the engine for growth and development over the entire world is commerce. And the hybrid being practiced everywhere is closer to free-market than anything else. The only difference between states is how far the money gets spread out once it enters the system).
Pssst, don't anyone tell Pirana that horrible Socialist W Europe has beat the economic indebted powerhouse USA as aviation leader in the world and many other sectors too. And they did it by still federally ensuring 4-9 weeks of vacation per year and a comprehensive medical package.
QuoteEven the stalwarts of communism were not truly communist. Their leaders abused the shit out of the general populace. As Chrurchill said - Capitalism is where man takes advantage of his fellow man. Communism is the other way around.
I tend to agree that Communism and Capitalism have a lot in common. That has been my contention for a long time, look at the distribution of wealth.
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteSocialism and Communism don't work? Most of the world follows 1 of the 2 fiscal and social themes yet you like American Capitalism and say it's better? Communist China is the greatest creditor and we are the greatest debtor, but you say Capitalism works the best, huh?
in case you missed it, China is moving towards capitalism and that is why they own so much US debt.
They're a loooooooong way from it. I wouldn't even say they are at Socialism yet, but probably close, which is why they ar so successful. IF they cross Socialism and make it to Capitalism they will see their downfall loom, but they are nowhere near Capitalism.
QuoteSocialist W Europe has beat the economic indebted powerhouse USA as aviation leader in the world
I'm curious. What are you basing this statement on?
You are only as strong as the prey you devour
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QuoteThey're a loooooooong way from it. I wouldn't even say they are at Socialism yet, but probably close, which is why they ar so successful.
Your personal definitions do not equal fact. Fact is they are moving towards capitalism and THAT is what is making them so powerful.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteSocialist W Europe has beat the economic indebted powerhouse USA as aviation leader in the world
I'm curious. What are you basing this statement on?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus
Look at the orders and deliveries. Altho Boeing has delivered 1 more het so far this year, the sales are on the side of Airbus by lmosr double. Also, the 787 is going to urt Boeing deeply, over a year behind and still hasn't even flown yet. Airbus passed Boeing years ago.
I guess if you count all US aviation the US might be in the lead, but it's slipping and Airbus hasn't been around all that long - 25 years or so and they've trumped the Boeing/Douglas conglomeration.
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QuoteQuoteThey're a loooooooong way from it. I wouldn't even say they are at Socialism yet, but probably close, which is why they ar so successful.
Your personal definitions do not equal fact. Fact is they are moving towards capitalism and THAT is what is making them so powerful.
Baed upon the most Capitalist nation in the world being the biggest debtor
. You make more and more sense every time I read your brilliance. China still has a Communist collectivist system, they still have universal HC and all kinds of social and fiscal Communist controls; how are they Capitalist? Capitalism or Communism has to do with the means of production within, not their place on the global market as in how they distribute these goods, I think you have the two confused.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI have not voted for a libertarian candidate in a presidential election since that vote would be pissed away in the larger scope.
I vote Libertarian any time that;
(a) my vote won't matter because the state I live in leans so heavily one way (California) or the other (Idaho), or;
(b) the GOP candidate is from the "moral majority" segment of that party.
I do vote for a fair number of Republicans. I've also (substantially less often) voted for some Democrats. But most of the time I end up voting for a Libertarian who has no chance of winning.
And people poo-poo my assertion that Repubs and Libertarians are but a few degrees apart?????
I've voted for a Libertarian for President, and donated to a Libertarian primary campaign. I've never voted for a Republican for President, and I was a delegate for Obama.
Blues,
Dave
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Thats ok because nobody can hear you over the laughter of bringing Marxism into it.
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