kallend 2,106 #26 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuote...highly radioactive... Uh, nope. Mildly radioactive. Half life is 4.47 billion years. Toxic though.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 October 27, 2009 Hell I know plenty of people who's farts are certainly toxic.. and perhaps have elevated radiation levels as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #28 October 27, 2009 Quote"Given the sample size, even as small as it is, I would accept that there exists at least one dz.com reader that believes your assertions are more truthful than those of the US Army. Quote This is getting scary! Given the sample size of SC if one believes me... I wonder what that ratio is? And if we look at that same ratio over the entire population of the planet!!!! How many followers would I have? Enough for a political movement I bet! Now that I realize the amount of support I have for my ideas I think I will start a new party. A new movement ,if you will! I think I should name this party after my mentor,Johnathon S. Bowel . We will be known through history as the Bowel movement!! Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #29 October 27, 2009 anyone else find it funny that we're watching an argument between birdshit and bullshit? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #30 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote...highly radioactive... Uh, nope. Mildly radioactive. Half life is 4.47 billion years. Toxic though. Yes, and I don't think it's a good idea to be using it. Wolfram might be OK, but not sure about toxicity issues. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #31 October 27, 2009 Quote[reply DU rounds have been used for decades. What are the birth defect rates attributed to those uses? And the Jeapordy answer is : "No amount of depleted Uranium is considered safe for human consumption/ exposure." Blues, Cliff As opposed to lead, a common food additive. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #32 October 27, 2009 Quote[ As opposed to lead, a common food additive.Quote Yeah livendive , lead sucks as a food additive. Lead piercings aren't all that healthy either. On the other hand.., I know they're bad for me and all but those lead paint potato chip things.., No one can eat just one! I can eat a whole bowlful during just one segment of the Young and Restless. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #33 October 27, 2009 Quote Very good ,birdshit, now tell us about armored plating and what happens when that plating is struck by a round. When the round hits the enemy armor it is traveling close to 1 mile/second. It immediately fragments the enemy armor, sending millions of pieces of the enemy armor flying around the inside of the enemy vehicle, instantly turning the enemy troops into hamburger. When the Kinetic Energy Penetrator punches a hole through the armor, most times it explodes because it is superheated from its flight at supersonic speed. When it reaches the inside of the enemy vehicle, it breaks into many more pieces shredding the bad guys even more, and poisoning them with DU just to be sure they are dead. There are some cases where the DU penetrator doesnt get destroyed as in one case during the gulf war when two T-72 tanks were destroyed with a single Sabot round because one was behind the other, and the round punched through one tank and still had enough punch to take out the vehicle behind it. That earned it it's nickname "the silver bullet" by tank crews, because this is the most lethal anti-armor round on any vehicle in the world. It doesn't matter what kind of armor your vehicle has, the silver bullet will take away all your hopes and dreams. My staff sergeant in Korea was in Gulf War I and was hit by an enemy T-72 tank (the flagship of the Russian army). He said he got out and went to look at the damage. The enemy sabot was sticking out of the front of the hull, and had only penetrated two inches. He pried it out with a pry bar, filled the hole with mud and continued mission. Why you might ask? Because the Armor on the M1A1 has a depleted Uranium plate underneath the steel, which makes it practically impossible to destroy. In addition, tanks routinely run over antitank mines and survive (sans roadwheels) because of depleted uranium armor plating underneath the vehicle. So, depleted uranium is here to stay. Get used to it. Just because you have some concerns about it doesn't make it any less effective at killing the enemy or protecting the troops. I attached some porn for ya... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #34 October 27, 2009 [replyWhen the round hits the enemy armorQuote Great information,birdshit! I especially liked the description of what happens when a round hits enemy armor. But why don't you tell us about our armor. Remember how the enemy armor fragmented on impact of a round? What about our armor,birdshit? Does it fragment in the same way? birdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #35 October 27, 2009 Quotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. QuoteAn improvement program will eventually upgrade all M1A1 tanks with steel encased depleted uranium armor, which has a density at least two-and-a-half times greater than steel. The depleted uranium armor will raise the total weight of the Abrams tank to 65 tons, but offers vastly improved protection in the bargain. and QuoteThe Abrams remained untested in combat until the Gulf War in 1991. A total of 1,848 M1A1s were deployed to Saudi Arabia. The M1A1 was superior to Iraq's Soviet-era T-55 and T-62 tanks, as well as Iraqi assembled Russian T-72s which lack night vision and any modern range finders, and locally-produced copies (Asad Babil tank). Only 18 M1A1s were taken out of service due to battle damage and none of these losses resulted in crew casualties. The only tank-casualties as result of enemy fire was a tank-leader who was outside his tank during the explosion of a T-72. The M1A1 was capable of making kills at ranges in excess of 4000 m. In friendly fire incidents the front armor and side turret armor survived direct APFSDS hits from other M1A1s. QuoteFurther combat was seen during 2003 when US forces invaded Iraq and deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The campaign saw very similar performance from the tank with no Abrams crew member being lost to hostile fire during the battle in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #36 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. Quote So when our armored vehicles are hit by enemy fire how do those rounds effect the DU composite? How does that affect our soldiers health? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #37 October 27, 2009 DU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #38 October 27, 2009 QuoteDU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place. So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #39 October 27, 2009 you're implying that the DU in an Abrams composite armor behaves like the armor in a T-72 (shattering). I think that is a poor assumption.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #40 October 27, 2009 Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff If they eat it sure they will get sick. It's a heavy metal! It's the same with your smoke detectors, they are fine where they are just don't eat the radioactive material and you should be fine. So when you see a knocked out tank don't lick it and don't eat off of it. As for DU blowing around? It's too heavy. If anything it will sit there till some one either licks it or eats it. Much like led.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,068 #41 October 27, 2009 >How does that affect our soldiers health? Probably less than getting blown to little bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #42 October 27, 2009 It's the thread that won't die!! Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff The only time I have ever seen the armor on a tank penetrated deeply enough to expose the DU core was when one tank crashed into another tank (in the dark, in the middle of the night). The SOP is to cover the exposed DU core with a wet towel (seriously) and wait for the replacement part to arrive. Yes there is a health hazard associated with DU, but the benefits of superior killing power and superior armor far outweigh the potential effects of DU exposure. I worked with DU on a daily basis for four years in the military. BTW, my children came out perfect in every way, except that my son Jonathan glows a little at night and can start fires with his mind. See pic Nobody on the modern battlefield has the ability to penetrate Depleted Uranium armor (not even with DU tank rounds), so we don't have any really good case studies as far as the health effects of DU armor being penetrated, or DU rounds causing health issues. There is some anecdotal evidence from Gulf War I but they havent been conclusively linked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Kennedy 0 #29 October 27, 2009 anyone else find it funny that we're watching an argument between birdshit and bullshit? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #30 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote...highly radioactive... Uh, nope. Mildly radioactive. Half life is 4.47 billion years. Toxic though. Yes, and I don't think it's a good idea to be using it. Wolfram might be OK, but not sure about toxicity issues. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #31 October 27, 2009 Quote[reply DU rounds have been used for decades. What are the birth defect rates attributed to those uses? And the Jeapordy answer is : "No amount of depleted Uranium is considered safe for human consumption/ exposure." Blues, Cliff As opposed to lead, a common food additive. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #32 October 27, 2009 Quote[ As opposed to lead, a common food additive.Quote Yeah livendive , lead sucks as a food additive. Lead piercings aren't all that healthy either. On the other hand.., I know they're bad for me and all but those lead paint potato chip things.., No one can eat just one! I can eat a whole bowlful during just one segment of the Young and Restless. Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #33 October 27, 2009 Quote Very good ,birdshit, now tell us about armored plating and what happens when that plating is struck by a round. When the round hits the enemy armor it is traveling close to 1 mile/second. It immediately fragments the enemy armor, sending millions of pieces of the enemy armor flying around the inside of the enemy vehicle, instantly turning the enemy troops into hamburger. When the Kinetic Energy Penetrator punches a hole through the armor, most times it explodes because it is superheated from its flight at supersonic speed. When it reaches the inside of the enemy vehicle, it breaks into many more pieces shredding the bad guys even more, and poisoning them with DU just to be sure they are dead. There are some cases where the DU penetrator doesnt get destroyed as in one case during the gulf war when two T-72 tanks were destroyed with a single Sabot round because one was behind the other, and the round punched through one tank and still had enough punch to take out the vehicle behind it. That earned it it's nickname "the silver bullet" by tank crews, because this is the most lethal anti-armor round on any vehicle in the world. It doesn't matter what kind of armor your vehicle has, the silver bullet will take away all your hopes and dreams. My staff sergeant in Korea was in Gulf War I and was hit by an enemy T-72 tank (the flagship of the Russian army). He said he got out and went to look at the damage. The enemy sabot was sticking out of the front of the hull, and had only penetrated two inches. He pried it out with a pry bar, filled the hole with mud and continued mission. Why you might ask? Because the Armor on the M1A1 has a depleted Uranium plate underneath the steel, which makes it practically impossible to destroy. In addition, tanks routinely run over antitank mines and survive (sans roadwheels) because of depleted uranium armor plating underneath the vehicle. So, depleted uranium is here to stay. Get used to it. Just because you have some concerns about it doesn't make it any less effective at killing the enemy or protecting the troops. I attached some porn for ya... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #34 October 27, 2009 [replyWhen the round hits the enemy armorQuote Great information,birdshit! I especially liked the description of what happens when a round hits enemy armor. But why don't you tell us about our armor. Remember how the enemy armor fragmented on impact of a round? What about our armor,birdshit? Does it fragment in the same way? birdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #35 October 27, 2009 Quotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. QuoteAn improvement program will eventually upgrade all M1A1 tanks with steel encased depleted uranium armor, which has a density at least two-and-a-half times greater than steel. The depleted uranium armor will raise the total weight of the Abrams tank to 65 tons, but offers vastly improved protection in the bargain. and QuoteThe Abrams remained untested in combat until the Gulf War in 1991. A total of 1,848 M1A1s were deployed to Saudi Arabia. The M1A1 was superior to Iraq's Soviet-era T-55 and T-62 tanks, as well as Iraqi assembled Russian T-72s which lack night vision and any modern range finders, and locally-produced copies (Asad Babil tank). Only 18 M1A1s were taken out of service due to battle damage and none of these losses resulted in crew casualties. The only tank-casualties as result of enemy fire was a tank-leader who was outside his tank during the explosion of a T-72. The M1A1 was capable of making kills at ranges in excess of 4000 m. In friendly fire incidents the front armor and side turret armor survived direct APFSDS hits from other M1A1s. QuoteFurther combat was seen during 2003 when US forces invaded Iraq and deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The campaign saw very similar performance from the tank with no Abrams crew member being lost to hostile fire during the battle in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #36 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. Quote So when our armored vehicles are hit by enemy fire how do those rounds effect the DU composite? How does that affect our soldiers health? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #37 October 27, 2009 DU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #38 October 27, 2009 QuoteDU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place. So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #39 October 27, 2009 you're implying that the DU in an Abrams composite armor behaves like the armor in a T-72 (shattering). I think that is a poor assumption.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #40 October 27, 2009 Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff If they eat it sure they will get sick. It's a heavy metal! It's the same with your smoke detectors, they are fine where they are just don't eat the radioactive material and you should be fine. So when you see a knocked out tank don't lick it and don't eat off of it. As for DU blowing around? It's too heavy. If anything it will sit there till some one either licks it or eats it. Much like led.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,068 #41 October 27, 2009 >How does that affect our soldiers health? Probably less than getting blown to little bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #42 October 27, 2009 It's the thread that won't die!! Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff The only time I have ever seen the armor on a tank penetrated deeply enough to expose the DU core was when one tank crashed into another tank (in the dark, in the middle of the night). The SOP is to cover the exposed DU core with a wet towel (seriously) and wait for the replacement part to arrive. Yes there is a health hazard associated with DU, but the benefits of superior killing power and superior armor far outweigh the potential effects of DU exposure. I worked with DU on a daily basis for four years in the military. BTW, my children came out perfect in every way, except that my son Jonathan glows a little at night and can start fires with his mind. See pic Nobody on the modern battlefield has the ability to penetrate Depleted Uranium armor (not even with DU tank rounds), so we don't have any really good case studies as far as the health effects of DU armor being penetrated, or DU rounds causing health issues. There is some anecdotal evidence from Gulf War I but they havent been conclusively linked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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birdshit 0 #33 October 27, 2009 Quote Very good ,birdshit, now tell us about armored plating and what happens when that plating is struck by a round. When the round hits the enemy armor it is traveling close to 1 mile/second. It immediately fragments the enemy armor, sending millions of pieces of the enemy armor flying around the inside of the enemy vehicle, instantly turning the enemy troops into hamburger. When the Kinetic Energy Penetrator punches a hole through the armor, most times it explodes because it is superheated from its flight at supersonic speed. When it reaches the inside of the enemy vehicle, it breaks into many more pieces shredding the bad guys even more, and poisoning them with DU just to be sure they are dead. There are some cases where the DU penetrator doesnt get destroyed as in one case during the gulf war when two T-72 tanks were destroyed with a single Sabot round because one was behind the other, and the round punched through one tank and still had enough punch to take out the vehicle behind it. That earned it it's nickname "the silver bullet" by tank crews, because this is the most lethal anti-armor round on any vehicle in the world. It doesn't matter what kind of armor your vehicle has, the silver bullet will take away all your hopes and dreams. My staff sergeant in Korea was in Gulf War I and was hit by an enemy T-72 tank (the flagship of the Russian army). He said he got out and went to look at the damage. The enemy sabot was sticking out of the front of the hull, and had only penetrated two inches. He pried it out with a pry bar, filled the hole with mud and continued mission. Why you might ask? Because the Armor on the M1A1 has a depleted Uranium plate underneath the steel, which makes it practically impossible to destroy. In addition, tanks routinely run over antitank mines and survive (sans roadwheels) because of depleted uranium armor plating underneath the vehicle. So, depleted uranium is here to stay. Get used to it. Just because you have some concerns about it doesn't make it any less effective at killing the enemy or protecting the troops. I attached some porn for ya... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #34 October 27, 2009 [replyWhen the round hits the enemy armorQuote Great information,birdshit! I especially liked the description of what happens when a round hits enemy armor. But why don't you tell us about our armor. Remember how the enemy armor fragmented on impact of a round? What about our armor,birdshit? Does it fragment in the same way? birdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #35 October 27, 2009 Quotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. QuoteAn improvement program will eventually upgrade all M1A1 tanks with steel encased depleted uranium armor, which has a density at least two-and-a-half times greater than steel. The depleted uranium armor will raise the total weight of the Abrams tank to 65 tons, but offers vastly improved protection in the bargain. and QuoteThe Abrams remained untested in combat until the Gulf War in 1991. A total of 1,848 M1A1s were deployed to Saudi Arabia. The M1A1 was superior to Iraq's Soviet-era T-55 and T-62 tanks, as well as Iraqi assembled Russian T-72s which lack night vision and any modern range finders, and locally-produced copies (Asad Babil tank). Only 18 M1A1s were taken out of service due to battle damage and none of these losses resulted in crew casualties. The only tank-casualties as result of enemy fire was a tank-leader who was outside his tank during the explosion of a T-72. The M1A1 was capable of making kills at ranges in excess of 4000 m. In friendly fire incidents the front armor and side turret armor survived direct APFSDS hits from other M1A1s. QuoteFurther combat was seen during 2003 when US forces invaded Iraq and deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The campaign saw very similar performance from the tank with no Abrams crew member being lost to hostile fire during the battle in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #36 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. Quote So when our armored vehicles are hit by enemy fire how do those rounds effect the DU composite? How does that affect our soldiers health? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #37 October 27, 2009 DU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #38 October 27, 2009 QuoteDU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place. So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #39 October 27, 2009 you're implying that the DU in an Abrams composite armor behaves like the armor in a T-72 (shattering). I think that is a poor assumption.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #40 October 27, 2009 Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff If they eat it sure they will get sick. It's a heavy metal! It's the same with your smoke detectors, they are fine where they are just don't eat the radioactive material and you should be fine. So when you see a knocked out tank don't lick it and don't eat off of it. As for DU blowing around? It's too heavy. If anything it will sit there till some one either licks it or eats it. Much like led.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,068 #41 October 27, 2009 >How does that affect our soldiers health? Probably less than getting blown to little bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #42 October 27, 2009 It's the thread that won't die!! Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff The only time I have ever seen the armor on a tank penetrated deeply enough to expose the DU core was when one tank crashed into another tank (in the dark, in the middle of the night). The SOP is to cover the exposed DU core with a wet towel (seriously) and wait for the replacement part to arrive. Yes there is a health hazard associated with DU, but the benefits of superior killing power and superior armor far outweigh the potential effects of DU exposure. I worked with DU on a daily basis for four years in the military. BTW, my children came out perfect in every way, except that my son Jonathan glows a little at night and can start fires with his mind. See pic Nobody on the modern battlefield has the ability to penetrate Depleted Uranium armor (not even with DU tank rounds), so we don't have any really good case studies as far as the health effects of DU armor being penetrated, or DU rounds causing health issues. There is some anecdotal evidence from Gulf War I but they havent been conclusively linked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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birdshit 0 #35 October 27, 2009 Quotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. QuoteAn improvement program will eventually upgrade all M1A1 tanks with steel encased depleted uranium armor, which has a density at least two-and-a-half times greater than steel. The depleted uranium armor will raise the total weight of the Abrams tank to 65 tons, but offers vastly improved protection in the bargain. and QuoteThe Abrams remained untested in combat until the Gulf War in 1991. A total of 1,848 M1A1s were deployed to Saudi Arabia. The M1A1 was superior to Iraq's Soviet-era T-55 and T-62 tanks, as well as Iraqi assembled Russian T-72s which lack night vision and any modern range finders, and locally-produced copies (Asad Babil tank). Only 18 M1A1s were taken out of service due to battle damage and none of these losses resulted in crew casualties. The only tank-casualties as result of enemy fire was a tank-leader who was outside his tank during the explosion of a T-72. The M1A1 was capable of making kills at ranges in excess of 4000 m. In friendly fire incidents the front armor and side turret armor survived direct APFSDS hits from other M1A1s. QuoteFurther combat was seen during 2003 when US forces invaded Iraq and deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The campaign saw very similar performance from the tank with no Abrams crew member being lost to hostile fire during the battle in Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #36 October 27, 2009 QuoteQuotebirdshit, is our armor a composite containing depleted uranium? Yes. Quote So when our armored vehicles are hit by enemy fire how do those rounds effect the DU composite? How does that affect our soldiers health? Blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #37 October 27, 2009 DU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cliffwhite 0 #38 October 27, 2009 QuoteDU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place. So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #39 October 27, 2009 you're implying that the DU in an Abrams composite armor behaves like the armor in a T-72 (shattering). I think that is a poor assumption.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shah269 0 #40 October 27, 2009 Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff If they eat it sure they will get sick. It's a heavy metal! It's the same with your smoke detectors, they are fine where they are just don't eat the radioactive material and you should be fine. So when you see a knocked out tank don't lick it and don't eat off of it. As for DU blowing around? It's too heavy. If anything it will sit there till some one either licks it or eats it. Much like led.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,068 #41 October 27, 2009 >How does that affect our soldiers health? Probably less than getting blown to little bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdshit 0 #42 October 27, 2009 It's the thread that won't die!! Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff The only time I have ever seen the armor on a tank penetrated deeply enough to expose the DU core was when one tank crashed into another tank (in the dark, in the middle of the night). The SOP is to cover the exposed DU core with a wet towel (seriously) and wait for the replacement part to arrive. Yes there is a health hazard associated with DU, but the benefits of superior killing power and superior armor far outweigh the potential effects of DU exposure. I worked with DU on a daily basis for four years in the military. BTW, my children came out perfect in every way, except that my son Jonathan glows a little at night and can start fires with his mind. See pic Nobody on the modern battlefield has the ability to penetrate Depleted Uranium armor (not even with DU tank rounds), so we don't have any really good case studies as far as the health effects of DU armor being penetrated, or DU rounds causing health issues. There is some anecdotal evidence from Gulf War I but they havent been conclusively linked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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shah269 0 #37 October 27, 2009 DU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cliffwhite 0 #38 October 27, 2009 QuoteDU is fine, if it's in a bit old stinking block on your desk. Now put it in a blender and atomize it and breath it in and you won't last long. I've had the pleasure of tripping over a few DU rounds, really heavy! And my equipment didn't register any significant radiation at 1ft away. BUT! when you break it up into little bits and those little bits come into intimate contact with your cells then things get dangerous. It's also a heavy metal and well heavy metals aren't very good for you in the first place. So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff2muchTruth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #39 October 27, 2009 you're implying that the DU in an Abrams composite armor behaves like the armor in a T-72 (shattering). I think that is a poor assumption.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #40 October 27, 2009 Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff If they eat it sure they will get sick. It's a heavy metal! It's the same with your smoke detectors, they are fine where they are just don't eat the radioactive material and you should be fine. So when you see a knocked out tank don't lick it and don't eat off of it. As for DU blowing around? It's too heavy. If anything it will sit there till some one either licks it or eats it. Much like led.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #41 October 27, 2009 >How does that affect our soldiers health? Probably less than getting blown to little bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #42 October 27, 2009 It's the thread that won't die!! Quote So ,shah269, are you implying that our soldiers health may be compromised if they are in the vicinity of DU armored plating which is struck by incoming rounds? blues, Cliff The only time I have ever seen the armor on a tank penetrated deeply enough to expose the DU core was when one tank crashed into another tank (in the dark, in the middle of the night). The SOP is to cover the exposed DU core with a wet towel (seriously) and wait for the replacement part to arrive. Yes there is a health hazard associated with DU, but the benefits of superior killing power and superior armor far outweigh the potential effects of DU exposure. I worked with DU on a daily basis for four years in the military. BTW, my children came out perfect in every way, except that my son Jonathan glows a little at night and can start fires with his mind. See pic Nobody on the modern battlefield has the ability to penetrate Depleted Uranium armor (not even with DU tank rounds), so we don't have any really good case studies as far as the health effects of DU armor being penetrated, or DU rounds causing health issues. There is some anecdotal evidence from Gulf War I but they havent been conclusively linked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
