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>puppies and children have been killed. ROTFLMOL!!
Glad it makes you happy.
Glad it makes you happy.
Quote>puppies and children have been killed. ROTFLMOL!!
Glad it makes you happy.
billvon, you are the one making jokes over translational spelling differences.
Like that's some issue.
Let me assure you ,billvon, war is no laughing fuckin matter and should never be entered into lightly .
Before you or any citizen accept the governments' call for war you best be damn sure that the governments case is air fuckin tight.
Blues,
Cliff
2muchTruth
Amazon 7
Quote>I wonder if you find it as funny that all those kids are being killed and
>wounded in Afghanistan while the FBI says they don't want Bin Laden for 9-11?
Only if you throw some dead puppies in for good measure. Then it would be really funny.
DUUUUUDE I think we all need some of what he is drinking so we can all be on a level playing field. I don't think I have EVER had any hallucinations from drinking anything... and that is a long list of stuff from all over the world.. some of it very creative brews made by indigenous people out of some fairly nasty stuff... but nothing can compare to whatever this is.
billvon 2,991
>Let me assure you ,billvon, war is no laughing fuckin matter and should never
>be entered into lightly .
Dude, you're posting political nonsense on an Internet website dedicated to skydiving and you are affronted that people aren't taking you seriously? Now _that's_ funny - and rest assured, the entertainment you provide is most appreciated.
Now tell us more about that 9/11 conspiracy.
>be entered into lightly .
Dude, you're posting political nonsense on an Internet website dedicated to skydiving and you are affronted that people aren't taking you seriously? Now _that's_ funny - and rest assured, the entertainment you provide is most appreciated.
Now tell us more about that 9/11 conspiracy.
Wow Cliff I did not realize you had information regarding UBL that comes from official FBI documents that would be classified.
You are amazing in your ability to find out the truth...
Quote>Let me assure you ,billvon, war is no laughing fuckin matter and should never
>be entered into lightly .
Dude, you're posting political nonsense on an Internet website dedicated to skydiving ..,Quote
No , I'm posting to the subset of a site which is dedicated to skydiving.
This subset is dedicated to politics.
As you are the moderator I would think you would have known that.
You , Bill,
Seem to believe that the war as well as the casualties of war are great humour.
Do you have more chuckles you want to share about the war?
Blues,
Cliff2muchTruth
QuoteWow Cliff I did not realize you had information regarding UBL that comes from official FBI documents that would be classified.
You are amazing in your ability to find out the truth...
Wow,warpedskydiver,
Anyone can go to the FBI website and see that they don't want Usama for 9-11. That's not classified info.
As a matter of fact, any one considering joining the US military can access that information before they sign up.
Blues,
Cliff
2muchTruth
You are committing a gross error.
It does not say that he is NOT wanted for 9/11
MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH
USAMA BIN LADEN
Photograph of USAMA BIN LADEN
Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, The Prince, The Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, The Director
DESCRIPTION
Date of Birth Used: 1957 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'4" to 6'6" Sex: Male
Weight: Approximately 160 pounds Complexion: Olive
Build: Thin Citizenship: Saudi Arabian
Language: Arabic (probably Pashtu)
Scars and Marks: None known
Remarks: Bin Laden is left-handed and walks with a cane.
CAUTION
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
REWARD
The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
It does not say that he is NOT wanted for 9/11
MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH
USAMA BIN LADEN
Photograph of USAMA BIN LADEN
Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, The Prince, The Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, The Director
DESCRIPTION
Date of Birth Used: 1957 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'4" to 6'6" Sex: Male
Weight: Approximately 160 pounds Complexion: Olive
Build: Thin Citizenship: Saudi Arabian
Language: Arabic (probably Pashtu)
Scars and Marks: None known
Remarks: Bin Laden is left-handed and walks with a cane.
CAUTION
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
REWARD
The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, which notes his role as the suspected mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7, 1998.
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be found on the same FBI notice.
The curious omission underscores the Justice Department's decision, so far, to not seek formal criminal charges against bin Laden for approving al-Qaeda's most notorious and successful terrorist attack. The notice says bin Laden is "a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world" but does not provide details.
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think the U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
Exhaustive government and independent investigations have concluded otherwise, of course, and bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders have proudly taken responsibility for the hijackings. FBI officials say the wanted poster merely reflects the government's long-standing practice of relying on actual criminal charges in the notices.
"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."
David N. Kelley, the former U.S. attorney in New York who oversaw terrorism cases when bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings there in 1998, said he is not at all surprised by the lack of a reference to Sept. 11 on the official wanted poster. Kelley said the issue is a matter of legal restrictions and the need to be fair to any defendant.
"It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was."
Bin Laden was placed on the Ten Most Wanted list in June 1999 after being indicted for murder, conspiracy and other charges in connection with the embassy bombings, and a $5 million reward was put on his head at that time. The listing was updated after Sept. 11, 2001, to include a higher reward of $25 million, but no mention of the attacks was added.
Others on the list include Colombian drug cartel leader Diego Leon Montoya Sanchez and fugitive Boston crime boss James "Whitey" Bulger, charged with a role in "numerous murders" in the 1970s and 1980s.
The FBI maintains a separate "Most Wanted Terrorists" list, which includes bin Laden and 25 others who have been indicted in U.S. federal courts in connection with terror plots. But this second bin Laden listing also makes no mention of Sept. 11.
"The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice," the FBI says in a note accompanying the terrorist list on its Web site. "Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001."
Staff writer Sari Horwitz contributed to this report.
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, which notes his role as the suspected mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7, 1998.
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be found on the same FBI notice.
The curious omission underscores the Justice Department's decision, so far, to not seek formal criminal charges against bin Laden for approving al-Qaeda's most notorious and successful terrorist attack. The notice says bin Laden is "a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world" but does not provide details.
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think the U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
Exhaustive government and independent investigations have concluded otherwise, of course, and bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders have proudly taken responsibility for the hijackings. FBI officials say the wanted poster merely reflects the government's long-standing practice of relying on actual criminal charges in the notices.
"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."
David N. Kelley, the former U.S. attorney in New York who oversaw terrorism cases when bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings there in 1998, said he is not at all surprised by the lack of a reference to Sept. 11 on the official wanted poster. Kelley said the issue is a matter of legal restrictions and the need to be fair to any defendant.
"It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was."
Bin Laden was placed on the Ten Most Wanted list in June 1999 after being indicted for murder, conspiracy and other charges in connection with the embassy bombings, and a $5 million reward was put on his head at that time. The listing was updated after Sept. 11, 2001, to include a higher reward of $25 million, but no mention of the attacks was added.
Others on the list include Colombian drug cartel leader Diego Leon Montoya Sanchez and fugitive Boston crime boss James "Whitey" Bulger, charged with a role in "numerous murders" in the 1970s and 1980s.
The FBI maintains a separate "Most Wanted Terrorists" list, which includes bin Laden and 25 others who have been indicted in U.S. federal courts in connection with terror plots. But this second bin Laden listing also makes no mention of Sept. 11.
"The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice," the FBI says in a note accompanying the terrorist list on its Web site. "Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001."
Staff writer Sari Horwitz contributed to this report.
OK , warpedskydiver, I see I'm going to have to take you through this step by step. It's a twelve step program.
Step one, Will you realize that Usama Ben Laden was a CIA asset during the Afghan war against the USSR?
Blues,
Cliff
Step one, Will you realize that Usama Ben Laden was a CIA asset during the Afghan war against the USSR?
Blues,
Cliff
2muchTruth
Show me how we benefit from heroin addicts in Russia. Are you saying it ties down their whole defense establishment? Then why have the Russians offered us staging bases for Afghanistan or am I answering my own question? Like I said, they are putting pressure on NATO to shut down the opium crop. Maybe it will be a trade off.Quote[
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Opium is a cash crop for the Taliban, and one of their best customers is right across the border in Russia. The Russians probably have the most heroin addicts in the world, and they would love to see NATO shut down the opium crop. The Taliban also use opium as a weapon against NATO troops. Getting young soldiers addicted without firing a shot is one of their main objectives, as is infecting Europe and the rest of us infidels. The opium crop needs to go. Sure, it grows in other places, but shutting it down in their own back yard will be a major victory.
Interesting is the fact that in Feb. 2001 Colin Powell made a speech praising the Taliban for nearly eradicating opium production in Afghanistan. Infact ,for their effort we granted them a few dollars.
Opium production spiked a year or so after the US led illegal invasion.
Think really hard now,rickjumps, who would benefit by an increase in heroin addicts in Russia?
Blues,
Cliff
Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.
QuoteShow me how we benefit from heroin addicts in Russia. Are you saying it ties down their whole defense establishment? Then why have the Russians offered us staging bases for Afghanistan or am I answering my own question? Like I said, they are putting pressure on NATO to shut down the opium crop. Maybe it will be a trade off.Quote[
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Opium is a cash crop for the Taliban, and one of their best customers is right across the border in Russia. The Russians probably have the most heroin addicts in the world, and they would love to see NATO shut down the opium crop. The Taliban also use opium as a weapon against NATO troops. Getting young soldiers addicted without firing a shot is one of their main objectives, as is infecting Europe and the rest of us infidels. The opium crop needs to go. Sure, it grows in other places, but shutting it down in their own back yard will be a major victory.
Interesting is the fact that in Feb. 2001 Colin Powell made a speech praising the Taliban for nearly eradicating opium production in Afghanistan. Infact ,for their effort we granted them a few dollars.
Opium production spiked a year or so after the US led illegal invasion.
Think really hard now,rickjumps, who would benefit by an increase in heroin addicts in Russia?
Blues,
Cliff
Hey, rickjump1, do you know President Herbert Walker Bushs' nickname when he was head of the CIA?
Blues,
Cliff
2muchTruth
No, but when I'm short on money, I drink Bush Lite.QuoteQuoteShow me how we benefit from heroin addicts in Russia. Are you saying it ties down their whole defense establishment? Then why have the Russians offered us staging bases for Afghanistan or am I answering my own question? Like I said, they are putting pressure on NATO to shut down the opium crop. Maybe it will be a trade off.Quote[
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Opium is a cash crop for the Taliban, and one of their best customers is right across the border in Russia. The Russians probably have the most heroin addicts in the world, and they would love to see NATO shut down the opium crop. The Taliban also use opium as a weapon against NATO troops. Getting young soldiers addicted without firing a shot is one of their main objectives, as is infecting Europe and the rest of us infidels. The opium crop needs to go. Sure, it grows in other places, but shutting it down in their own back yard will be a major victory.
Interesting is the fact that in Feb. 2001 Colin Powell made a speech praising the Taliban for nearly eradicating opium production in Afghanistan. Infact ,for their effort we granted them a few dollars.
Opium production spiked a year or so after the US led illegal invasion.
Think really hard now,rickjumps, who would benefit by an increase in heroin addicts in Russia?
Blues,
Cliff
Hey, rickjump1, do you know President Herbert Walker Bushs' nickname when he was head of the CIA?
Blues,
Cliff
Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.
Amazon 7
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OK , warpedskydiver, I see I'm going to have to take you through this step by step. It's a twelve step program.
Step one, Will you realize that Usama Ben Laden was a CIA asset during the Afghan war against the USSR?
Blues,
Cliff
NYET Cramrod Try again.
Might I suggest reading... not watching Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile . You might get a perspective of the war from a realistic perspective.
[replyNo but when I'm short on money, I drink Bush Lite.
Well you could research that,
If you were interested in educating yourself as to why we are at war "in" Afghanistan.
Blues,
Cliff
2muchTruth
Quote[replyNo but when I'm short on money, I drink Bush Lite.
Well you could research that,
If you were interested in educating yourself as to why we are at war "in" Afghanistan.
Blues,
Cliff
Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.
[reply/reply] I will. Something about piplines maybe? Just a guess for now.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.HTM
Above is a link to start you on your way if you really want to know.
Blues,
Cliff
2muchTruth
Yes,bilvon,
puppies and children have been killed. ROTFLMOL!!
Oh wait!!! (slapping knee.., let me catch my breath.., I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe..,!!!!)
The funniest part is all those kids who were exploded picking up those unexploded cluster bomblettes which looked alot like those UN food packets! LOFL!!!!!
We showed those hungry little fuckers! How dare they harbor terrorists!!!
Or fuck with our proposed pipeline!
Blues,
Cliff
Blues,
Cliff
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