skyrider 0 #1 October 30, 2009 ***Simply unexplainable...and for the most part, inexcusable! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image8.jpg I will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ASTKU 1 #2 October 30, 2009 There are some dumbass bad drivers out there thats for sure.... Mix a little alcohol and....... QuoteI will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/...an%20Dead/Image9.jpg Apparently it is easy to brainwash most Americans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #3 October 30, 2009 I didn't see that coming. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #4 October 30, 2009 Quote***Simply unexplainable...and for the most part, inexcusable! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image8.jpg I will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg Oh, how a black man can become president? Hey, times they are a changing. At least it's a departure from:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx7a3leZJJI I'm pretty sure my guy knows his left from his right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 October 30, 2009 QuoteI will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg It's because of THIS and everything that comes after it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #6 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuote***Simply unexplainable...and for the most part, inexcusable! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image8.jpg I will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg Oh, how a black man can become president? Hey, times they are a changing. At least it's a departure from:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx7a3leZJJI I'm pretty sure my guy knows his left from his right. Black Man???? Bullshit, A Marxist, Communist, Yes...Black? He is only half black! You can throw that crutch away.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteI will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg It's because of THIS and everything that comes after it. OMG what a good link, I have never seen it put together that well and that briefley before. But hey, let's go easy, that goat book was a good read, he hadn't read it before; gotta have priorities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote***Simply unexplainable...and for the most part, inexcusable! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image8.jpg I will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg Oh, how a black man can become president? Hey, times they are a changing. At least it's a departure from:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx7a3leZJJI I'm pretty sure my guy knows his left from his right. Black Man???? Bullshit, A Marxist, Communist, Yes...Black? He is only half black! You can throw that crutch away.... Only 1/2 black so you only 1/2 hate him? Without using abstraction, metaphore or other ridiculous arguments, explain how he subscribes to Marxism or the rest. Oh, BTW, did n't address this: I'm pretty sure my guy knows his left from his right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #9 October 30, 2009 Before you go start accusing me of being an Obama hater or a racist you best know that I voted for the man...ok? Ok. Since you see fit to accuse anybody who says anything against Obama as being a racist don't forget the fact...yes, FACT...that he was elected President of the United States because of his race. Never in recent presidential elections had the African-American sector voted so overwhelmingly in favor of one presidential candidate and there have been a few who promised them more than Obama did. If the black vote had been the same as it has been in recent elections then Obama would have been watching a Republican take the oath that day.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #10 October 30, 2009 Quote Since you see fit to accuse anybody who says anything against Obama as being a racist don't forget the fact...yes, FACT...that he was elected President of the United States because of his race. If that's your perception, isn't that racist? I think Obama was elected for several reasons, mostly because the R's have fucked things badly and people have had enough. Hillary would have been elected if she won the primary election; would you say it was because she was a woman? Quote Never in recent presidential elections had the African-American sector voted so overwhelmingly in favor of one presidential candidate and there have been a few who promised them more than Obama did. If the black vote had been the same as it has been in recent elections then Obama would have been watching a Republican take the oath that day. The US is 13% African American, don't try to convince me that all AA's voted and that it was that big of a deal. Furthermore, he won 52% to 45% of teh popular vote and 371 of the 538 EV's, so it wasn't that close. But I see how the racist right would blame his color on his election, I mean, it wasn't anything they did to lose it. But it was a nice and clumbsy reciprocation to put Michael Steele as RNC chief to appear not to be racist...it really looked dumb and desperate of the RNC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #11 October 30, 2009 >Since you see fit to accuse anybody who says anything against Obama >as being a racist don't forget the fact...yes, FACT...that he was elected >President of the United States because of his race. While it makes some people happy to believe that, it is not the case. > Never in recent presidential elections had the African-American >sector voted so overwhelmingly in favor of one presidential candidate . . Yep. And Catholics voted for JFK overwhelmingly. Doesn't mean that he was elected because he was Catholic. > If the black vote had been the same as it has been in recent >elections then Obama would have been watching a Republican take the >oath that day. All you had to do was not be republican and have half a brain to win the last election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #12 October 30, 2009 I voted for him because, to me, McCain just represented more of the same shit we have had to deal with for the last 16 years. A slightly less racist view than those who voted for him only because of his race and even less racist than your viewpoint that anybody who does not love Obama is an inbred, ignorant, redneck bigot. And, yes, it was the difference in the black vote that put him in the White House. I do not believe Hillary would have won the Presidency if she had won the primaries. People who voted in the primaries for Hill were mostly happy to vote for Obama, but not vice versa.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robskydiv 0 #13 October 30, 2009 Quote***Simply unexplainable...and for the most part, inexcusable! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image8.jpg I will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg Skyrider, get over it already! The people voted, the people have spoken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 October 30, 2009 QuoteAll you had to do was not be republican and have half a brain to win the last election. Correction: All you had to do was not be a Republican. It was their office to lose starting on September 11, 2001. The country had been scared into re-electing GWB, but they certainly weren't going to fall for that gag a second time. As someone famously once said, "Fool me once . . ."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 October 30, 2009 QuoteAnd, yes, it was the difference in the black vote that put him in the White House. Obama won 52/45, how can you make that guess? Most blacks who do vote would vote Dem anyway, then you have some of the blacks that came out of the woodwork to vote, a very small number but certainly not 7%. You might have an argument of you must make the ast election race-based to call it the Hispanic difference. They are a much bigger contingency and Bushco took a nice healthy shit on them, or so they preceived and they were a deal-maker for Obama and he rewarded them. QuoteI do not believe Hillary would have won the Presidency if she had won the primaries. People who voted in the primaries for Hill were mostly happy to vote for Obama, but not vice versa. They mostly voted for her. You guys are just delluded in thinking that the US in large still loves massive military, classism, massive debt, world-hate, Corporatism and all the lovely gifts the R's give us.....please don't change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 October 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteAll you had to do was not be republican and have half a brain to win the last election. Correction: All you had to do was not be a Republican. It was their office to lose starting on September 11, 2001. The country had been scared into re-electing GWB, but they certainly weren't going to fall for that gag a second time. As someone famously once said, "Fool me once . . ." Fool me - can't get fooled again..... Yea, that was the best part of Moore's Farenhight 911. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 October 31, 2009 You fucked up, didn't you. Uh huh, I caught you on this one. You posted this and deleted it, so it won't let me respond, but here it is: Quote131 million votes cast. 68 million for Obama According to the Federal Election Commission those PEW numbers are a bit wrong. http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf Barack Obama (D) 69,498,215 John McCain (R) 59,948,240 Diff of 9,522,083 Here's the US census be\ureau: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p20/2008/tables.html There are 26,528,000 total African Americans 18 and over as of last Nov. 16,133,000 voted. That's close to the 15.75 the pew reported. From the same site, they state: http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/voting/013995.html About 131 million people reported voting in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, an increase of 5 million from 2004, according to a new table package released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. The increase included about 2 million more black voters, 2 million more Hispanic voters and about 600,000 more Asian voters, while the number of non-Hispanic white voters remained statistically unchanged. So the PEWS argument is BS since there were 2 million additional black voters that, let's face it, showed up to vote for Obama and wouldn't have shown up if it were 2 pasty white guys. 2 million, do we have to go further with PEWS lame argument? Obama won by 9.5M votes. Now I think it's fair to say that between the Dem white vote which appears to be unchanged, the 2M black vote, the 2M new Hisp vote, the previous Hisp votes who flipped and the new surge of young voters COLLECTIVELY made the difference, but not the black vote alone at 2M with a 9.5M victory. QuoteThey did? That's strange because Obama got the nod and went on to win the election. They, being the Hillary primary voters, mostly voted for Obama in the genral. QuoteWhat guys are you referring to? I don't see anyone else standing here beside me at my desk. Maybe you are seeing ghosts or something. If you posted my entire passge it would read: You guys are just delluded in thinking that the US in large still loves massive military, classism, massive debt, world-hate, Corporatism and all the lovely gifts the R's give us.....please don't change. YOU GUYS are the ones, usually conservatives, who think we all love the mess GWB and Reagan left us. But I do repsect your reference and constructive approach. PEW is a respectable ref, they are just all FU'd on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #18 October 31, 2009 Quote They, being the Hillary primary voters, mostly voted for Obama in the genral. Yep. But Obamas primary voters would not have voted for hillary by anywhere near the same margin. Polls taken during and after the primary season showed that as a very strong trend. Quote YOU GUYS are the ones, usually conservatives, who think we all love the mess GWB and Reagan left us. How many times do i have to tell you....I am not a republican. And I sure as hell don't like the mess that Reagan, Bush, Clinton have all left us in. (Yes, Clinton. His "balanced budget" was nothing more than smoke, mirrors, and a lot of borrowing from the future.)HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #19 October 31, 2009 I'M FORCED TO LAUGH MY ASS OFF, DUDE. CAN'T YOU EVEN OWN YOUR FUCKUP? YOU POSTED THIS BS ABOUT THE 2008 ELECTION BEING A BLACK THING, THAT OBAMA ONLY WON BECAUSE OF THE BLACK TURNOUT, I STARTED RESPONDING AND YOU QUICKLY DELETED KNOWING YOU FUCKED UP. OWN YOUR ERROR. You fucked up, didn't you. Uh huh, I caught you on this one. You posted this and deleted it, so it won't let me respond, but here it is: Quote 131 million votes cast. 68 million for Obama According to the Federal Election Commission those PEW numbers are a bit wrong. http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf Barack Obama (D) 69,498,215 John McCain (R) 59,948,240 Diff of 9,522,083 Here's the US census be\ureau: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p20/2008/tables.html There are 26,528,000 total African Americans 18 and over as of last Nov. 16,133,000 voted. That's close to the 15.75 the pew reported. From the same site, they state: http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/voting/013995.html About 131 million people reported voting in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, an increase of 5 million from 2004, according to a new table package released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. The increase included about 2 million more black voters, 2 million more Hispanic voters and about 600,000 more Asian voters, while the number of non-Hispanic white voters remained statistically unchanged. So the PEWS argument is BS since there were 2 million additional black voters that, let's face it, showed up to vote for Obama and wouldn't have shown up if it were 2 pasty white guys. 2 million, do we have to go further with PEWS lame argument? Obama won by 9.5M votes. Now I think it's fair to say that between the Dem white vote which appears to be unchanged, the 2M black vote, the 2M new Hisp vote, the previous Hisp votes who flipped and the new surge of young voters COLLECTIVELY made the difference, but not the black vote alone at 2M with a 9.5M victory. Quote They did? That's strange because Obama got the nod and went on to win the election. They, being the Hillary primary voters, mostly voted for Obama in the genral. Quote What guys are you referring to? I don't see anyone else standing here beside me at my desk. Maybe you are seeing ghosts or something. If you posted my entire passge it would read: You guys are just delluded in thinking that the US in large still loves massive military, classism, massive debt, world-hate, Corporatism and all the lovely gifts the R's give us.....please don't change. YOU GUYS are the ones, usually conservatives, who think we all love the mess GWB and Reagan left us. But I do repsect your reference and constructive approach. PEW is a respectable ref, they are just all FU'd on this one. EDITED TO ADD: this is the citation/report you roiginally posted: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #20 October 31, 2009 QuoteQuote***Simply unexplainable...and for the most part, inexcusable! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image8.jpg I will NEVER figure this one out.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/onekick/American%20Dead/Image9.jpg Skyrider, get over it already! The people voted, the people have spoken. LOL, and I'd say as many as 60 percent of those people got off their welfare asses and voted for the first time in their leaching lives! I have nevere seen so many at the polls , tha had no clue what they were doing, people in thier 50's voting for the first time in thier lives! They were NOT voting for a canidate, They were voting for a Brudda... On the upside, I seriously doubt those same welfare couch riders, will get up again, 3 years from now...so maybe we can get this country back on track, and stop apoligizing to the world for being the best country on the planet! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #21 October 31, 2009 Uh, no, I didn't "fuck up". You did. You did by not understanding how big a difference it would make if the 12% of the voters who made up the black vote had voted along the same lines as the other 88%. You interpreted the "How the hell did this happen" as being a question of race. I interpreted it as being a question of inexperience. You guys really need to understand that not everyone who voted against Obama hates him and not everone who voted for him thinks he is the second coming of Christ. I voted for him because he was the candidate I felt who would screw things up the least and i was tired of 16 years of assholes in the Oval Office. So, tell us, are we still in a recession? You never did give a yes or no answer except in your thread title, and then did a lot of backpedaling and tried to weasel out of it.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #22 October 31, 2009 Since the rest of your post was just plain stupid partisanship, I suppose you must be referring to your error in the thread title.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #23 October 31, 2009 Quote Since the rest of your post was just plain stupid partisanship, I suppose you must be referring to your error in the thread title. Which one of them? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #24 October 31, 2009 Quote Uh, no, I didn't "fuck up". You did. You did by not understanding how big a difference it would make if the 12% of the voters who made up the black vote had voted along the same lines as the other 88%. You interpreted the "How the hell did this happen" as being a question of race. I interpreted it as being a question of inexperience. You guys really need to understand that not everyone who voted against Obama hates him and not everone who voted for him thinks he is the second coming of Christ. I voted for him because he was the candidate I felt who would screw things up the least and i was tired of 16 years of assholes in the Oval Office. So, tell us, are we still in a recession? You never did give a yes or no answer except in your thread title, and then did a lot of backpedaling and tried to weasel out of it. No, it's right here, the 08 election brought out 2M more blacks. You did assert that it was race that gave Obama the election. Belgian: Since you see fit to accuse anybody who says anything against Obama as being a racist don't forget the fact...yes, FACT...that he was elected President of the United States because of his race. That was what you said, are you now retracting? You've already conceeded in a diff thread, are you now waking up? If so, make your point clearly, not just some 12% and then 88% - there, that proves it. MAKE YOUR CASE OR STICK WITH YOUR CONCESSION. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So, tell us, are we still in a recession? You never did give a yes or no answer except in your thread title, and then did a lot of backpedaling and tried to weasel out of it. You wish I was backpeddaling, that way it would relieve your running. As I've clearly stated several times, we are officially out of a recession by way of GDP, but the real recession as per teh NBR of course we're not, as unemp is 10%. Until we get around 5%, we're still in it, hence the "but." I'm really sorry for binary thinkers, we are or we're not, but to your dismay, logic isn't yes or no in most cases, it's in shades. So most indicators have us out of the recession, but we aren't in a practical respect. Sorry of that doesn't work for you, and I'm sorry Obama isn't failing to fix your guy's mess, but it is what it is and it's WAAAAAAAAAY ahead of schedule. Here's teh data again: Quote I'M FORCED TO LAUGH MY ASS OFF, DUDE. CAN'T YOU EVEN OWN YOUR FUCKUP? YOU POSTED THIS BS ABOUT THE 2008 ELECTION BEING A BLACK THING, THAT OBAMA ONLY WON BECAUSE OF THE BLACK TURNOUT, I STARTED RESPONDING AND YOU QUICKLY DELETED KNOWING YOU FUCKED UP. OWN YOUR ERROR. You fucked up, didn't you. Uh huh, I caught you on this one. You posted this and deleted it, so it won't let me respond, but here it is: Quote 131 million votes cast. 68 million for Obama According to the Federal Election Commission those PEW numbers are a bit wrong. http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf Barack Obama (D) 69,498,215 John McCain (R) 59,948,240 Diff of 9,522,083 Here's the US census be\ureau: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p20/2008/tables.html There are 26,528,000 total African Americans 18 and over as of last Nov. 16,133,000 voted. That's close to the 15.75 the pew reported. From the same site, they state: http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/voting/013995.html About 131 million people reported voting in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, an increase of 5 million from 2004, according to a new table package released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. The increase included about 2 million more black voters, 2 million more Hispanic voters and about 600,000 more Asian voters, while the number of non-Hispanic white voters remained statistically unchanged. So the PEWS argument is BS since there were 2 million additional black voters that, let's face it, showed up to vote for Obama and wouldn't have shown up if it were 2 pasty white guys. 2 million, do we have to go further with PEWS lame argument? Obama won by 9.5M votes. Now I think it's fair to say that between the Dem white vote which appears to be unchanged, the 2M black vote, the 2M new Hisp vote, the previous Hisp votes who flipped and the new surge of young voters COLLECTIVELY made the difference, but not the black vote alone at 2M with a 9.5M victory. Quote They did? That's strange because Obama got the nod and went on to win the election. They, being the Hillary primary voters, mostly voted for Obama in the genral. Quote What guys are you referring to? I don't see anyone else standing here beside me at my desk. Maybe you are seeing ghosts or something. If you posted my entire passge it would read: You guys are just delluded in thinking that the US in large still loves massive military, classism, massive debt, world-hate, Corporatism and all the lovely gifts the R's give us.....please don't change. YOU GUYS are the ones, usually conservatives, who think we all love the mess GWB and Reagan left us. But I do repsect your reference and constructive approach. PEW is a respectable ref, they are just all FU'd on this one. EDITED TO ADD: this is the citation/report you roiginally posted: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #25 October 31, 2009 Yes, the '08 election brought out 2 million more blacks. Show me where I said different. It wasn't just the 2 million additional blacks, it was the 95% of the blacks who voted casting their vote for Obama. IF that 95% had voted the same as the general population then Obama would not have been elected. Plain and simple. I'm not asking for you to post data on the economic situation, I am asking for YOUR OPINION as to whether we are out of the recession or not. You are capable of forming an opinion, are you not? One more thing: Stop insinuating that I am somehow hoping Obama fails as President or that the economy fails to recover. I have made it perfectly clear to you that I do not wish for either and, in fact, hope for just the opposite. Just because i don'ty worship him as you do doesn't mean I harbor ill will towards the man or his goals.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
