rushmc 23 #101 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo..when are you going to admit that you support gun-free zones out of fear of MY gun, not the criminal's gun? I support Gun Free School Zones out of compassion for my fellow humans. I have no fear whatsoever of your gun. Should I? Nice twist on her words. Hate to say it but her reply makes more sense than what you have been posting"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #102 November 10, 2009 >It's quite empowering to be able to rely on myself and not the whims >of others to protect me. If a gun makes that much difference in your outlook on life, it is likely you are depending on it to do more than it can do. It reminds me of the swooper who gets a Xaos-27 78 and an AAD. The AAD, of course, will keep him alive even if he does something stupid; that way he doesn't have to worry as much about screwing up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #103 November 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote .... Sorry you are so afraid of guns and gun owners. Maybe you and quade can comfort each other on this issue Marc, old friend. You surely know that I'm a vivid hunter and hence, a gun owner. I only fear weapons of every kind in the hands of idiots.bingo!!! and crimials And as long as every deceived husband (and gun owner, of course) is transforming himself into a killing machine, your place is a dangerous one.My place? Here again you make assumptions with nothing to base them on. How am I transfering myself into a killing machine?I am fully aware of danger in the world. As the black panther, witch just now is strolling in the woods close to my home town But, this does not mean I have to be armed all day long.Neither do I nor am I. That is not what this has been about. Where did you get lost? Relax. Proceed with planning. I will, I have, and I will continue to have contingencies just like I have a reserve on my back. Killing machine? you are out there Of course, I did not mention YOU will transform into a killing machine. Jeez. Let me keep it short: It needs a bit more to enjoy a discussion with someone. Actually, with you I do not. Don't ask me what I'm missing. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullin82 0 #104 November 10, 2009 This is a difficult one for me since i carry when im home and believe we have that right. But i also believe that there should be "gun free zones" like schools, hospital, parks and so on. A sign wont stop people really but when someone decides to break the law make sure the punishment is harsh enough to teach everyone else not to. In all actuallity society is jst going to get worse since all we do is "baby" our children and most often than not there not held accountable for there actions. Also sadly no matter what we do theres always going to be that group that just wants to see the world burn and there no stopping or preventing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #105 November 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote .... Sorry you are so afraid of guns and gun owners. Maybe you and quade can comfort each other on this issue Marc, old friend. You surely know that I'm a vivid hunter and hence, a gun owner. I only fear weapons of every kind in the hands of idiots.bingo!!! and crimials And as long as every deceived husband (and gun owner, of course) is transforming himself into a killing machine, your place is a dangerous one.My place? Here again you make assumptions with nothing to base them on. How am I transfering myself into a killing machine?I am fully aware of danger in the world. As the black panther, witch just now is strolling in the woods close to my home town But, this does not mean I have to be armed all day long.Neither do I nor am I. That is not what this has been about. Where did you get lost? Relax. Proceed with planning. I will, I have, and I will continue to have contingencies just like I have a reserve on my back. Killing machine? you are out there Of course, I did not mention YOU will transform into a killing machine. Jeez. Let me keep it short: It needs a bit more to enjoy a discussion with someone. Actually, with you I do not. Don't ask me what I'm missing. I would not have to if you would stop the with the wild assumptions"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #106 November 10, 2009 Quote Also a reflection of the fact that the population of Ireland is about the same as the metropolitan area surrounding San Francisco. 1/50th that of the US. if your looking at society as a hole, which i am, thats irrelevant the point is society as a hole in america is far far far more desensitised to these stories than society in ireland is. this is NOT a good thing. why are they so desensitised? because these atrocities happen so frequently. why do they happen so frequently? because your society breeds a large proportion of psycopaths for some reason and this COUPLED with easy access to weapons leads to these tragedies. is there any part of that i need to translate into american english for you? if you find the cause of the increased proportion of psycopaths and fix it then weather guns are available or not becomes irrelevant an analogy 10-15 years ago drink driving was completely socially acceptable in ireland and caused numerous road deaths every year/month/week people just drank and then drove they jsut did it was normal and relatively acceptable cue the goverment realising that societies attitude needed to change and 10-15 years of anti drink driving campaigns of various sorts and its now completely socially unacceptable to drink drive. have the legal ramifications changed? yes they have but not alot and they are nowhere near as strict as in the states yet we have far less drink driving now than you guys. my point? like drink driving your gun crime(not talking about gang to gang i really couldnt give a shite about that its everything else) is not a regulation problem or a enforcement problem its an attitude problem and if and when you realise that(both sides) you can then start the lengthy road to changing societies attitude so that the amount 'regular' people who turn to guns to solve their problems drastically decreases Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #107 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo..when are you going to admit that you support gun-free zones out of fear of MY gun, not the criminal's gun? I support Gun Free School Zones out of compassion for my fellow humans. I have no fear whatsoever of your gun. Should I? Bullshit.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #108 November 10, 2009 QuoteThis is a difficult one for me since i carry when im home and believe we have that right. But i also believe that there should be "gun free zones" like schools, hospital, parks and so on. A sign wont stop people really but when someone decides to break the law make sure the punishment is harsh enough to teach everyone else not to. In all actuallity society is jst going to get worse since all we do is "baby" our children and most often than not there not held accountable for there actions. Also sadly no matter what we do theres always going to be that group that just wants to see the world burn and there no stopping or preventing it. Point taken but I do not agree with the gun free zone concept. Even though I do not carry nor do I have a permit to do so. However, GFZ's mean nothing to a criminal. That is the long and short of it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #109 November 10, 2009 Quote>It's quite empowering to be able to rely on myself and not the whims >of others to protect me. If a gun makes that much difference in your outlook on life, it is likely you are depending on it to do more than it can do. It reminds me of the swooper who gets a Xaos-27 78 and an AAD. The AAD, of course, will keep him alive even if he does something stupid; that way he doesn't have to worry as much about screwing up. Maybe it's just me but I'm having difficulty making sense out of your post.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #110 November 10, 2009 Paris Hilton is American society as a hole. But I don't think that's what we're taking about here. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #111 November 10, 2009 Quote Quote >It's quite empowering to be able to rely on myself and not the whims >of others to protect me. If a gun makes that much difference in your outlook on life, it is likely you are depending on it to do more than it can do. It reminds me of the swooper who gets a Xaos-27 78 and an AAD. The AAD, of course, will keep him alive even if he does something stupid; that way he doesn't have to worry as much about screwing up. Maybe it's just me but I'm having difficulty making sense out of your post. Perhaps it means: Do not rely on crutches, use your own brain while marching through life. I could be wrong, of course. I'm an alien. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #112 November 10, 2009 QuoteFear is used every day as a tool to control your behavior. I find it hilarious you don't even recognize it. You didn't say fear.... you said *irrational* fear. I am amazed you don't know the difference. Actually, I think you said one to incite people, and then lowered it to try and "win" But you never answered the questions I asked: 1. What gives you this irrational fear of being killed by a random stranger that has gone through a background check, submitted fingerprints, and applied for a permit to carry? 2. Then why are worried about GFZ's? If it has such a low probability to actually happen? QuoteI support Gun Free School Zones out of compassion for my fellow humans. And I support the right to carry and oppose GFZ for the EXACT same reasons. QuoteI have no fear whatsoever of your gun. Should I? No, and you should also not fear CHL/CWP holders either... Statistics show you are MUCH more likely to get attacked by a guy that has not gone through the paperwork, been fingerprinted, had a background check ect.... No matter where you are."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #113 November 10, 2009 Quote Paris Hilton is American society as a hole. But I don't think that's what we're taking about here. well its an issue caused by american society as a hole so you can only talk about whatever portion of society you like or feel comfortable with or exclude any portion of society that is convenient for your argument but it wont do any good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #114 November 10, 2009 Quote Quote Paris Hilton is American society as a hole. But I don't think that's what we're taking about here. well its an issue caused by american society as a hole so you can only talk about whatever portion of society you like or feel comfortable with or exclude any portion of society that is convenient for your argument but it wont do any good Somehow I fear the joke was lost in translation from English to english.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #115 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteFear is used every day as a tool to control your behavior. I find it hilarious you don't even recognize it. You didn't say fear.... you said *irrational* fear. I am amazed you don't know the difference. Actually, I think you said one to incite people, and then lowered it to try and "win" No Ron. I said fear is fine and irrational fear is just that, irrational. I stand by my statement and do not back down from my position that if a person's motivation to be armed in a Gun Free Zone is fear of a crazy person on a killing spree, that they are, in fact, the victim of an irrational fear.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #116 November 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote >It's quite empowering to be able to rely on myself and not the whims >of others to protect me. If a gun makes that much difference in your outlook on life, it is likely you are depending on it to do more than it can do. It reminds me of the swooper who gets a Xaos-27 78 and an AAD. The AAD, of course, will keep him alive even if he does something stupid; that way he doesn't have to worry as much about screwing up. Maybe it's just me but I'm having difficulty making sense out of your post. Perhaps it means: Do not rely on crutches, use your own brain while marching through life. I could be wrong, of course. I'm an alien. Ok so you don't know either...www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #117 November 10, 2009 QuoteWow Marc, you alway [SIC] are good for a BS answer Irony score off the chart!!!!"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #118 November 10, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Paris Hilton is American society as a hole. But I don't think that's what we're taking about here. well its an issue caused by american society as a hole so you can only talk about whatever portion of society you like or feel comfortable with or exclude any portion of society that is convenient for your argument but it wont do any good Somehow I fear the joke was lost in translation from English to english. lol ye it could have been sorry im tired and it did take me a second to say to myself 'wtf is he talking about paris for' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #119 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteFear is used every day as a tool to control your behavior. I find it hilarious you don't even recognize it. You didn't say fear.... you said *irrational* fear. I am amazed you don't know the difference. Actually, I think you said one to incite people, and then lowered it to try and "win" No Ron. I said fear is fine and irrational fear is just that, irrational. I stand by my statement and do not back down from my position that if a person's motivation to be armed in a Gun Free Zone is fear of a crazy person on a killing spree, that they are, in fact, the victim of an irrational fear. So, if that's not their motivation then they're fine - that should include, oh... about 99.8% of the concealed-carry holders. Back to you for the next idiotic assumption....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #120 November 10, 2009 Quotemy point? like drink driving your gun crime(not talking about gang to gang i really couldnt give a shite about that its everything else) is not a regulation problem or a enforcement problem its an attitude problem I think you will find that the increase in punishment cannot be overlooked as a factor in the change in rate."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #121 November 10, 2009 Quote>It's quite empowering to be able to rely on myself and not the whims >of others to protect me. If a gun makes that much difference in your outlook on life, it is likely you are depending on it to do more than it can do. Surely you're not going to suggest the gun is less useful than the police an hour away? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #122 November 10, 2009 QuoteI stand by my statement and do not back down from my position that if a person's motivation to be armed in a Gun Free Zone is fear of a crazy person on a killing spree, that they are, in fact, the victim of an irrational fear. Good for you... That does not make it true. I say your desire for a GFZ is based on an irrational fear and worse, it is a "fix" that has been show to NOT reduce the danger, but may increase the danger. The FACTS prove you wrong and have on every post. All you have brought is emotional arguments. You still have not answered these: 1. What gives you this irrational fear of being killed by a random stranger that has gone through a background check, submitted fingerprints, and applied for a permit to carry? 2. Then why are worried about GFZ's? If it has such a low probability to actually happen?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #123 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuote Also a reflection of the fact that the population of Ireland is about the same as the metropolitan area surrounding San Francisco. 1/50th that of the US. if your looking at society as a hole, which i am, thats irrelevant the point is society as a hole in america is far far far more desensitised to these stories than society in ireland is. this is NOT a good thing. why are they so desensitised? because these atrocities happen so frequently. why do they happen so frequently? because your society breeds a large proportion of psycopaths for some reason and this COUPLED with easy access to weapons leads to these tragedies. is there any part of that i need to translate into american english for you? If you can't figure out the relevance of the 50x factor, then you might as well write in greek, because a lot of what you got here is babble. It's starts with the assumption that everything is forgotten about in 2 days (clearly false, as indicated in this forum) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #124 November 10, 2009 QuoteQuote>It's quite empowering to be able to rely on myself and not the whims >of others to protect me. If a gun makes that much difference in your outlook on life, it is likely you are depending on it to do more than it can do. Surely you're not going to suggest the gun is less useful than the police an hour away? I think that's what he was saying but I wanted confirmation from him. Amazon's firearm for self defense is a crutch when the police likely could not help her? And what mistake could she make on her own property that makes the AAD and the firearm comparable? A gang negotiation meeting? And is the Xoas comparable to the decision to live far enough from law enforcement one would have to rely on oneself for protection?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #125 November 10, 2009 Quote If you can't figure out the relevance of the 50x factor, then you might as well write in greek, because a lot of what you got here is babble. It's starts with the assumption that everything is forgotten about in 2 days (clearly false, as indicated in this forum) the interweb and in particular forums/fora?? and inparticular speakers corner like forums are not an accurate representation of society it can be ireland / the uk / france / germany /australia list any western society that does not have the culture of violence and gun crime that america has right now i use ireland because its what i know best but it is not some exception to the rule when it comes to guns and mass murder america is the acception to the rule but either way i tried you guys seem hellbent on arguing about symptoms instead of causes so ill leave you to it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
