Rstanley0312 1 #1 November 19, 2009 http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/19/news/economy/debt_interest/index.htmLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #2 November 19, 2009 Quotehttp://money.cnn.com/2009/11/19/news/economy/debt_interest/index.htm to bad no one in washington cares about selling our kids into financial slavery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #3 November 19, 2009 Quotehttp://money.cnn.com/2009/11/19/news/economy/debt_interest/index.htm Keynes was correct and the Voodoo economists wrong. During the good times we should be paying down the debt, not continuing to borrow.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #4 November 19, 2009 >to bad no one in washington cares about selling our kids into >financial slavery. Agreed. We need to raise taxes as soon as the economy recovers, end the stimulus at the same time, and end the wars that are draining us dry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #5 November 19, 2009 Quote>to bad no one in washington cares about selling our kids into >financial slavery. Agreed. We need to raise taxes as soon as the economy recovers, end the stimulus at the same time, and end the wars that are draining us dry. Also we should cut entitlement programs and make people get jobs that have sucked welfare for over 2 years. send illegals home and let their government pay their way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 November 19, 2009 Quotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #7 November 19, 2009 QuoteQuote>to bad no one in washington cares about selling our kids into >financial slavery. Agreed. We need to raise taxes as soon as the economy recovers, end the stimulus at the same time, and end the wars that are draining us dry. Also we should cut entitlement programs and make people get jobs that have sucked welfare for over 2 years. send illegals home and let their government pay their way. I think you'll find that sending all illegals home will cost us FAR FAR more than it saves.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 November 19, 2009 Plus it is against the wishes of at least one founding father. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #9 November 19, 2009 QuoteQuotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? have you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #10 November 19, 2009 QuoteQuotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? "For every complex problem, there is an answer that is clear, simple--and wrong." H.L. Mencken... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #11 November 19, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? have you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? Why don't you tell us the ratio between the number of jobs available and the number of people looking for work, Mark.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #12 November 19, 2009 Quotehave you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? No, but I have seen them in the paper here in Toronto. I also know that working any of those jobs does not allow a person to actually live in Toronto either. I have this feeling it is very much the same in Chicago. Secondly, just because there is a wanted ad in the paper doesn't mean there aren't a 1,000 people applying for that one job. The issue isn't the supply quantity but the delta between supply and demand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #13 November 19, 2009 QuoteQuotehave you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? No, but I have seen them in the paper here in Toronto. I also know that working any of those jobs does not allow a person to actually live in Toronto either. I have this feeling it is very much the same in Chicago. Secondly, just because there is a wanted ad in the paper doesn't mean there aren't a 1,000 people applying for that one job. The issue isn't the supply quantity but the delta between supply and demand. Mark needs to read this.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #14 November 19, 2009 >Also we should cut entitlement programs . . . OK, list em. >and make people get jobs that have sucked welfare for over 2 years. We already do that. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act ends any assistance after two years. >send illegals home . . . . OK, if you pay for it. If not - well, sorry, we can't afford another multi-billion dollar government boondoggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #15 November 19, 2009 Quote>Also we should cut entitlement programs . . . OK, list em. >and make people get jobs that have sucked welfare for over 2 years. We already do that. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act ends any assistance after two years. reply] like thise one http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/jasper.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #16 November 19, 2009 Quote>Also we should cut entitlement programs . . . OK, list em. . all of them cut 20%, then maybe people would start to pay their own way. when you cut programs that make people dependant they learn to adjust and make things work on their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #17 November 19, 2009 >like thise one http://www.snopes.com/...cs/satire/jasper.asp 1) that's not welfare 2) did you note that most of that story was false? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #18 November 19, 2009 >all of them cut 20% . . . OK. So just to make sure, you are talking about cutting veteran's medical benefits by 20%? Road and highway maintenance by 20%? Education by 20%? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rstanley0312 1 #19 November 19, 2009 Quote>like thise one http://www.snopes.com/...cs/satire/jasper.asp 1) that's not welfare 2) did you note that most of that story was false? Where does it say most of it is not true? It says parts are taken from other events but the photo and several things said were tre especially in that version. I don't really care about that story and it does nothing for me pro/con on the issue but it never said most of it is false.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #20 November 19, 2009 Quote>like thise one http://www.snopes.com/...cs/satire/jasper.asp 1) that's not welfare 2) did you note that most of that story was false? How is subsidized housing not welfare? And the pic certainly is real, and Snopes wrote it as mixed truth with satire. But 'entitlements' that include FICA spending miss the point - until this year, SS has been running well in the black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #21 November 19, 2009 Quote send illegals home and let their government pay their way. I'm really interested to learn how would you implement this?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #22 November 19, 2009 >How is subsidized housing not welfare? ?? It's not part of the US welfare system. >And the pic certainly is real, and Snopes wrote it as mixed truth with >satire. Right. The picture (and the situation as described by Snopes) is real, much of the commentary is made up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #23 November 20, 2009 Quote>How is subsidized housing not welfare? ?? It's not part of the US welfare system. Sounds like a semantic argument there. It's housing assistance from the US HUD. How is that not a form of welfare? Are you distinguishing HUD from other departments in DC? Unemployment is state derived welfare. It's still part of the welfare system. Section 8 is a mess to deal with, both for the landlords as well as for tenants who get a real slumlord type. I've done research for litigation where the Sec 8 oversight was atrocious- despite major violations in habitability, money kept going to the landlord. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #24 November 20, 2009 >It's housing assistance from the US HUD. How is that not a form of >welfare? I guess if you consider any assistance from the federal government "welfare" then it would be. I thought we were talking about the federal program called "welfare" which is a distinct program, separate from HUD. (In which case I have been on welfare a good part of my life. The government paid for my education from grades 1-8, and paid for part of my undergraduate and graduate education.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #25 November 20, 2009 Quote >It's housing assistance from the US HUD. How is that not a form of >welfare? I guess if you consider any assistance from the federal government "welfare" then it would be. I thought we were talking about the federal program called "welfare" which is a distinct program, separate from HUD. (In which case I have been on welfare a good part of my life. The government paid for my education from grades 1-8, and paid for part of my undergraduate and graduate education.) I bet you drive on roads paid for by the govt. too, you deadbeat.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
marks2065 0 #16 November 19, 2009 Quote>Also we should cut entitlement programs . . . OK, list em. . all of them cut 20%, then maybe people would start to pay their own way. when you cut programs that make people dependant they learn to adjust and make things work on their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #17 November 19, 2009 >like thise one http://www.snopes.com/...cs/satire/jasper.asp 1) that's not welfare 2) did you note that most of that story was false? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #18 November 19, 2009 >all of them cut 20% . . . OK. So just to make sure, you are talking about cutting veteran's medical benefits by 20%? Road and highway maintenance by 20%? Education by 20%? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #19 November 19, 2009 Quote>like thise one http://www.snopes.com/...cs/satire/jasper.asp 1) that's not welfare 2) did you note that most of that story was false? Where does it say most of it is not true? It says parts are taken from other events but the photo and several things said were tre especially in that version. I don't really care about that story and it does nothing for me pro/con on the issue but it never said most of it is false.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 November 19, 2009 Quote>like thise one http://www.snopes.com/...cs/satire/jasper.asp 1) that's not welfare 2) did you note that most of that story was false? How is subsidized housing not welfare? And the pic certainly is real, and Snopes wrote it as mixed truth with satire. But 'entitlements' that include FICA spending miss the point - until this year, SS has been running well in the black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #21 November 19, 2009 Quote send illegals home and let their government pay their way. I'm really interested to learn how would you implement this?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #22 November 19, 2009 >How is subsidized housing not welfare? ?? It's not part of the US welfare system. >And the pic certainly is real, and Snopes wrote it as mixed truth with >satire. Right. The picture (and the situation as described by Snopes) is real, much of the commentary is made up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 November 20, 2009 Quote>How is subsidized housing not welfare? ?? It's not part of the US welfare system. Sounds like a semantic argument there. It's housing assistance from the US HUD. How is that not a form of welfare? Are you distinguishing HUD from other departments in DC? Unemployment is state derived welfare. It's still part of the welfare system. Section 8 is a mess to deal with, both for the landlords as well as for tenants who get a real slumlord type. I've done research for litigation where the Sec 8 oversight was atrocious- despite major violations in habitability, money kept going to the landlord. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #24 November 20, 2009 >It's housing assistance from the US HUD. How is that not a form of >welfare? I guess if you consider any assistance from the federal government "welfare" then it would be. I thought we were talking about the federal program called "welfare" which is a distinct program, separate from HUD. (In which case I have been on welfare a good part of my life. The government paid for my education from grades 1-8, and paid for part of my undergraduate and graduate education.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #25 November 20, 2009 Quote >It's housing assistance from the US HUD. How is that not a form of >welfare? I guess if you consider any assistance from the federal government "welfare" then it would be. I thought we were talking about the federal program called "welfare" which is a distinct program, separate from HUD. (In which case I have been on welfare a good part of my life. The government paid for my education from grades 1-8, and paid for part of my undergraduate and graduate education.) I bet you drive on roads paid for by the govt. too, you deadbeat.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
