kallend 2,027 #26 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? have you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? Why don't you tell us the ratio between the number of jobs available and the number of people looking for work, Mark. Well, Mark, since you appear not to know the answer (or don't wish to post it), there are, nationwide, 5.5 unemployed people for every job vacancy. The numbers are even worse in big cities like Chicago. So tell us again how these unemployed folks are going to get jobs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #27 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuotehttp://money.cnn.com/2009/11/19/news/economy/debt_interest/index.htm Keynes was correct and the Voodoo economists wrong. During the good times we should be paying down the debt, not continuing to borrow. Both are wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #28 November 20, 2009 QuoteI bet you drive on roads paid for by the govt. too, you deadbeat You are not a deadbeat if you pay taxes....."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #29 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? have you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? Why don't you tell us the ratio between the number of jobs available and the number of people looking for work, Mark. Well, Mark, since you appear not to know the answer (or don't wish to post it), there are, nationwide, 5.5 unemployed people for every job vacancy. The numbers are even worse in big cities like Chicago. So tell us again how these unemployed folks are going to get jobs. sorry, I was working unlike most of the lazy asshats collecting unemployment and government welfare. well John, If there is one job for every 5.5 people unemployed wich is 18% and there are 15.7 million unemployed, why are 2.83 million of them unemployed? Why because the government is taking care of them at the taxpayer expense. why work when you have a free ride through life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #30 November 20, 2009 Quote>all of them cut 20% . . . OK. So just to make sure, you are talking about cutting veteran's medical benefits by 20%? Road and highway maintenance by 20%? Education by 20%? yep everything by 20% the government wasted at least that much, just look at the stimulous money, mostly wasted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #31 November 20, 2009 Quote>all of them cut 20% . . . OK. So just to make sure, you are talking about cutting veteran's medical benefits by 20%? Road and highway maintenance by 20%? Education by 20%? Yep, along with completely eliminating earmarks 100%. If congress won't pass something by itself it shouldn't be barried in a bill to by a vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #32 November 20, 2009 Quote >send illegals home . . . . OK, if you pay for it. If not - well, sorry, we can't afford another multi-billion dollar government boondoggle. when they get out of jail or when they are stabilized at a medical facility put them on a plane to mexico city and let them go, alot cheaper than paying for the continued health care or with more crimes they will be involed in, or the welfare they will collect, or the babies they will produce that will become dependant on our system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #33 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuotemake people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? a gradual reduction of benifits will make them look harder for a job as time goes on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #34 November 20, 2009 Quotea gradual reduction of benifits will make them look harder for a job as time goes on You can be forced to look harder for cows on the bottom of the atlantic ocean, doesn't mean you are going to find them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #35 November 20, 2009 Quotesorry, I was working unlike most of the lazy asshats collecting unemployment and government welfare. Unemployment compensation and welfare are 2 different things. In many states (not all), the employee contributes a portion of his unemployment comp fund through mandatory withholdings from wages. However, in every state, you only qualify for unemployment comp by having been employed for a minimum amount of time - unlike welfare, it is not available to someone simply by virtue of being alive and poor. Generally, you can't collect unemployment comp if you simply quit your job; you have to (a) be terminated by your employer, and (b) not for willful misconduct. Many states (not all) require you to conduct regular job search activities and report them to the state in order to receive benefit payments. I presume some people could get other jobs that would pay as much or more than they would get on unemployment comp, but are just cruising until their benefits run out. But others want to work, but simply can't find it, despite their efforts to do so, so they collect comp. That's what it's for. The first group might deserve to be called lazy asshats. The second group does not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #36 November 20, 2009 It's not that much of a stretch to group forms of government assistance that reach the end user as US$ and call it all "welfare". Unemployment, Social Security, corporate bailouts, they're all "welfare". Section 8 and food stamps are... really really close in my opinion. Because food and shelter are basic necessities, one could argue that if a person makes 5 dollars on their own, and they need 4 for rent and 1 for food, then there's little difference between me covering their rent and food versus just giving them 5 more dollars in cash. Regarding the other comparisons you and Kallend made... Governments buy roads, schools, fire departments, etc. and continue to own that infrastructure. Paying teachers salaries and subsidizing tuition for higher education can be thought of as buying a smarter population, which is just another infrastructure investment. Now... "welfare" as described above can be considered an investment in the infrastructure that is "masses of un[der]employed people that are living, breathing, consuming, and not much else." You'd be right to point out the alternative (i.e. "letting people rot in a gutter") is less conscionable, but when people complain about the general plight of the impoverished and how a culture of big companies and consumerism keeps them where they are, their solution is often programs that appear to just cement the situation further. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #37 November 20, 2009 You really have no understanding of the problem, do you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #38 November 20, 2009 Quote You really have no understanding of the problem, do you? no I understand that people are lazy and don't want to work. What I don't un derstand is how you keep defending the lazy people that won't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuote You really have no understanding of the problem, do you? no I understand that people are lazy and don't want to work. What I don't un derstand is how you keep defending the lazy people that won't work. You're right; that's exactly what he was doing! You've got him figured out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #40 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuote You really have no understanding of the problem, do you? no I understand that people are lazy and don't want to work. What I don't un derstand is how you keep defending the lazy people that won't work. Try harder to understand the dynamics of employment, since it's clear that you don't right now.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #41 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote You really have no understanding of the problem, do you? no I understand that people are lazy and don't want to work. What I don't un derstand is how you keep defending the lazy people that won't work. Try harder to understand the dynamics of employment, since it's clear that you don't right now. It easy, go look for a job, find one and go to work. If the job you got is not a good one keep looking for another while you are working at the not so good job. Try landscaping, flipping burgers, janitorial work. the work is out there and the determined people will find a job. the lazy will sit on the couch and collect unemployment and welfare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #42 November 20, 2009 Please re-read post #35. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #43 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You really have no understanding of the problem, do you? no I understand that people are lazy and don't want to work. What I don't un derstand is how you keep defending the lazy people that won't work. Try harder to understand the dynamics of employment, since it's clear that you don't right now. It easy, go look for a job, find one and go to work. If the job you got is not a good one keep looking for another while you are working at the not so good job. Try landscaping, flipping burgers, janitorial work. the work is out there and the determined people will find a job. the lazy will sit on the couch and collect unemployment and welfare. NO, MARK, the data show quite conclusively that thanks to the Bush Recession, the work is NOT out there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #44 November 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You really have no understanding of the problem, do you? no I understand that people are lazy and don't want to work. What I don't un derstand is how you keep defending the lazy people that won't work. Try harder to understand the dynamics of employment, since it's clear that you don't right now. It easy, go look for a job, find one and go to work. If the job you got is not a good one keep looking for another while you are working at the not so good job. Try landscaping, flipping burgers, janitorial work. the work is out there and the determined people will find a job. the lazy will sit on the couch and collect unemployment and welfare. NO, MARK, the data show quite conclusively that thanks to the Bush Recession, the work is NOT out there. I say bullshit. jobs are out there to many that try. the more people that take the jobs that are out there the more they spend and that increases jobs were they spend their money. aren't tired of paying for and making excuses for the lazy system sucking don't want to work crowd? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #45 November 20, 2009 and now it is the Obama recession. several million jobs lost under Obama even after he wasted 500 billion of our money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 November 20, 2009 Quote and now it is the Obama recession. several million jobs lost under Obama even after he wasted 500 billion of our money Hey - I'll have you know that we HAD to pass that stimulus bill without it being read! It was an emergency!! If we'd taken the time to read it or make it available to the public for several days like we promised, why, unemployment might have hit 8 or even 9 percent!!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 November 21, 2009 Quote NO, MARK, the data show quite conclusively that thanks to the Bush Recession, the work is NOT out there. The jobs aren't out there for every single person, no, and not even close. However, for any given individual who is willing to do any work, yes, there would be available work. in SF there have been a slew of articles about the joys of funemployment, where people collect their UI (which pays about rent in these parts, no more) and enjoy life for the year. Maybe they're right in that it's a lot of effort to hunt for jobs that scarcely exist, but they're not even trying. Having dealt with the dotcom bust, I appreciate their point of view but otoh, I resent the hell out of those who get to ride their bike all morning while I slave for the man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #48 November 21, 2009 Quote I resent the hell out of those who get to ride their bike all morning while I slave for the man. Then slack off at work, get terminated for incompetence, and earn the right to spend more time diving for kelp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #49 November 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote make people get jobs In many ways I agree with you, but have you seen the unemployment rate lately? have you seen the want ads in the chicago area news papers? Why don't you tell us the ratio between the number of jobs available and the number of people looking for work, Mark. Well, Mark, since you appear not to know the answer (or don't wish to post it), there are, nationwide, 5.5 unemployed people for every job vacancy. The numbers are even worse in big liberal/union/corrupt cities like Chicago. So tell us again how these unemployed folks are going to get jobs. Fixed it for you. Maybe one day you will figure out.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
