Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?

[billvon 3,076]

>Okay. I believe geologically that the earth is the most
>changing planet that we know of.

Io is definitely the most geologically active planet (moon actually) in our solar system. 400 volcanoes, eruptions that shoot stuff 200 miles into the atmosphere, nearly constant earthquakes. We're geologically inert compared to Io.

>However I also believe that Humans weren't the cause for the
>dinosaurs getting wiped clean . . .

Agreed.

> and when people push the ideology on me that if I don't buy a
>Toyota Prius, then we all die and it's my fault is pure bull sh*t.

Also agreed. There are much better ways to help the environment.

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Science, unlike most occupations, IS self correcting.

It certainly looks like it's starting to be corrected now, yes. I'm glad you agree.

Scientists, not you, not Sen. Inhofe, not Fox News, and definitely not rushmc, will evaluate it.

Incorrect again - I suspect they all will in their own ways.

I also have no doubt that each individual (your 'scientists' as well) will come to whatever conclusions they decided on ahead of time.

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Science, unlike most occupations, IS self correcting.

It certainly looks like it's starting to be corrected now, yes. I'm glad you agree.

Scientists, not you, not Sen. Inhofe, not Fox News, and definitely not rushmc, will evaluate it.

And they are starting to. I bet that scares the hell out of you too

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Science, unlike most occupations, IS self correcting.

It certainly looks like it's starting to be corrected now, yes. I'm glad you agree.

Scientists, not you, not Sen. Inhofe, not Fox News, and definitely not rushmc, will evaluate it.

Hopefully it will be ones that actually PRACTICE the scientific method unlike the ones currently working on GW.

Mike
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[billvon 3,076]

>Hopefully it will be ones that actually PRACTICE the scientific
>method unlike the ones currently working on GW.

You and Rhys should get together and "get the REAL TRUTH out."

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>Hopefully it will be ones that actually PRACTICE the scientific
>method unlike the ones currently working on GW.

You and Rhys should get together and "get the REAL TRUTH out."

Given the times that the alarmists have had to correct their data due to PROPER research by the 'deniers' in addition to the emails and such from CRU, a grouping of yourself, kallend and rhys looks MUCH more apropos.

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>Hopefully it will be ones that actually PRACTICE the scientific
>method unlike the ones currently working on GW.

You and Rhys should get together and "get the REAL TRUTH out."

Given the times that the alarmists have had to correct their data due to PROPER research by the 'deniers' in addition to the emails and such from CRU, a grouping of yourself, kallend and rhys looks MUCH more apropos.

Thanks for proving my point.

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>Hopefully it will be ones that actually PRACTICE the scientific
>method unlike the ones currently working on GW.

You and Rhys should get together and "get the REAL TRUTH out."

Given the times that the alarmists have had to correct their data due to PROPER research by the 'deniers' in addition to the emails and such from CRU, a grouping of yourself, kallend and rhys looks MUCH more apropos.

Thanks for proving my point.

What point would that be, pray tell?

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Okay. I believe geologically that the earth is the most changing planet that we know of. However I also believe that Humans weren't the cause for the dinosaurs getting wiped clean and when people push the ideology on me that if I don't buy a Toyota Prius, then we all die and it's my fault is pure bull sh*t.

You can believe in pink unicorns if you wish. I'll go with the conclusions of the National Academy of Science.

Fine...... but I'm not buying that the sky is falling chicken little because I drive a GMC truck or a Z28 Camaro.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

[billvon 3,076]

>Given the times that the alarmists have had to correct their data
>due to PROPER research . . .

That could have come straight off Rhys's keyboard. "When will the so-called climate scientists WAKE UP and realize that it's impossible that ice can melt due to a little CO2, which is usually _cold_? I have a petition by REAL scientists who have done PROPER research! See? All you sheep will be sorry once that facts are known."

I suspect you will have much success as he does. Lots of websites, lots of Internet videos, lots of anti-establishment rah rah, lots of petitions. Good luck with that; scientists will pay as much attention to that as they will to the holographic-missile theory or the glowing-waterfall-of-thermite theory.

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That could have come straight off Rhys's keyboard.

Sure thing, Bill - like when Hansen and GISS had to revise their data due to work by the deniers, or when Wegman showed that MM's reconstruction of MBH98 was correct?

Of course, the REAL researchers do things like 'containing the putative MWP', and 'reduce the blip in the 40's' and 'hide the decline', right?

How about "keeping them out of the IPCC, even if we have to change peer review"? That's certainly up-front and above the board, right Bill?

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[billvon 3,076]

>like when Hansen and GISS had to revise their data due to work by the deniers . . .

Yep! Just like when the NIST was forced to retract their claim that Building 7 fell because of fuel fires plus debris damage due to work by the truthers.

>Of course, the REAL researchers do things like 'containing the
>putative MWP', and 'reduce the blip in the 40's' and 'hide the
>decline', right?

Again, yep! Just like the REAL researchers are "disposing of the wreckage so it can't be examined," "refusing to investigate real issues" and "ignoring clear evidence of thermite." I think Rhys posted those last month.

>How about "keeping them out of the IPCC, even if we have to
>change peer review"?

Sounds a lot like how NIST has refused to respond to Dr. Morgan Reynold's request for correction, in clear violation of US law!

I think you'd be very happy with the truthers. They are the best there is at ignoring a mountain of evidence to find a crumb, then building that crumb into a towering edifice of rhetoric.

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from and editorial in the journal Nature, regarding the "Nature trick to hide the decline":

"The stolen e-mails have prompted queries about whether Nature will investigate some of the researchers' own papers. One e-mail talked of displaying the data using a 'trick' — slang for a clever (and legitimate) technique, but a word that denialists have used to accuse the researchers of fabricating their results. It is Nature's policy to investigate such matters if there are substantive reasons for concern, but nothing we have seen so far in the e-mails qualifies."

Nature has been in business for 140 years and is considered to be the preeminent science journal in the world. Their reputation is built on publishing high quality, innovative research. They seem to be willing to stand behind the paper.

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>like when Hansen and GISS had to revise their data due to work by the deniers . . .

Yep! Just like when the NIST was forced to retract their claim that Building 7 fell because of fuel fires plus debris damage due to work by the truthers.

Of course, the difference is that what I mentioned actually happened. What's the matter, Bill - don't recall posting in the thread about it?

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Sounds a lot like how NIST has refused to respond to Dr. Morgan Reynolds’ request for correction, in clear violation of US law!

Like this email from Jones?
"If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20 days? - our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will test it.
We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind."

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I think you'd be very happy with the truthers. They are the best there is at ignoring a mountain of evidence to find a crumb, then building that crumb into a towering edifice of rhetoric.

Glad to see you've found your ideological home, Bill - does that mean you won't be rebutting any more of rhys' claims?

In the meantime, keep spinning - Marty Mann is on the way in with the Delorean and we need to keep it above 1.21 gigawatts.

Mike
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[billvon 3,076]

>Of course, the difference is that what I mentioned actually happened.

So did the NIST retraction.

>Like this email? "If they ever hear there is a Freedom of
>Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than
>send to anyone."

Yep! Just like this actual quote from NIST: "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse." PROOF that they can't explain what happened!

See how easy this is? And you are so very good at it.

>does that mean you won't be rebutting any more of rhys' claims?

Nope. I am afraid I will side with science, and agree to disagree with you and Rhys when it comes to conspiracy theories. Even if you continue to discover as many crumbs as he does.

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Nope. I am afraid I will side with science

Nope, sorry...unless you mean to say that changing the data to fit the hypothesis is now considered 'scientific'.

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, and agree to disagree with you and Rhys when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Mike
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[billvon 3,076]

>Nope, sorry...unless you mean to say that changing the data to
>fit the hypothesis is now considered 'scientific'.

Yep. The truthers have "proven" that the NIST is changing the data to fit the hypothesis, just as the deniers have "proven" that climate scientists are changing the data to fit the hypothesis.

The techniques are remarkably similar. Find one error out of thousands of facts in a report. If the authors correct it (which usually happens) claim "they now ADMIT they were FALSIFYING data!" If they don't, claim that nothing they say is valid because it's based on faulty data.

On the other hand, if a truther/denier is found to be in error, then just change your story.

"It was a missile disguised with a hologram!"
"It wasn't a missile; it's stupid to bring that up. But the airplane had a huge POD on it!"
"Forget the pod. But there's still no way an airplane could have brought down the tower. Here's some thermite . . ."

"The climate isn't warming!"
"OK, so it's warming, duh. But it has NOTHING TO DO with CO2! Mars is warming, what about THAT?"
"Look at the record! IT'S NOT WARMING!"

Actual scientists don't have that luxury. They can't just change their story to fit their politics. So the truthers/deniers will always have that advantage over them, and it works well to convince fools.

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*Applause*

Keep spinning, Bill... you're SO good at it!

You should apply for Jone's position at East Anglia...or maybe you can get Mann's job, depending on the result of the investigation - you've certainly got the patter memorized.

Mike
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Grasping..... grasping.

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and it works well to convince fools.

Bad form, very bad form to call us fools. You ought threaten yourself with a last warning.

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Actual scientists don't have that luxury. They can't just change their story to fit their politics.

But that is exactly what they did.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[SkyChimp 0]

I love this story..........

One day a scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we humans are just as smart as you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things to create life thru science and research, so man really doesn't need you."

God listened patiently to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a life making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"

Then God said, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and he bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.

God just looked at him and said, "Whoa Stop!. Get your own dirt!"

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

[jakee 1,564]

Connection?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Connection?

woops... wrong thread

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

[billvon 3,076]

>Bad form, very bad form to call us fools.

I don't think you're a fool. I think you've just been misled.

>>They can't just change their story to fit their politics.

>But that is exactly what they did.

Nope. Again, I think you've been misled if you believe that.

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