Amazon 7 #26 November 24, 2009 Quote You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... im not sure you know this but the military these days doesnt rely on "fair" weather to do anything so the thought of waiting for spring is ridiculous. So maybe its YOU who has no idea what your "yacking" about. SUUUUURE right..... and while the "enemy" dissapears till spring.... you can waste lots and lots of time and effort trying to find and kill him in places where he is notThe fun part of fighting an insurgency.. is knowing the enemy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #27 November 24, 2009 Quoteso between now and spring time we should just let the soldiers die waiting for reinforcements? Nobody's dying waiting for reinforcements. This isn't the Battle of the Bulge for God's sake. That kind of hyperbole is an insult to the troops, and only serves to weaken morale. People going on like that should be ashamed. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #28 November 24, 2009 Marc, you started a totally different thread from what it's become. I don't watch enough TV to notice, and the stills I saw on Google didn't really highlight it. But I'd imagine that stress would get to anyone. There were times when GWB looked kind of peaked, and then got better again -- it could be that it's a down cycle right now. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d16842 0 #29 November 24, 2009 Quote You are kidding right.. just check how many whiney bitch threads certain people have posted after FAUX News or one of the fringe right talking heads mention in passing and certain people here have a sudden brainstorm and post it. Isn't your repeatedly postings about others' watching Fox just as parinoid, pathological, and even as whiny bitching as their watching it?Tom B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #30 November 24, 2009 Quote You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... im not sure you know this but the military these days doesnt rely on "fair" weather to do anything so the thought of waiting for spring is ridiculous. So maybe its YOU who has no idea what your "yacking" about. I'm not sure if you weren't born one generation too late. "Military these days" of course cannot be compared to the ancient winter battle of Moscow, where The Mustache lost his lordliness. But still, winter (especially the one in regions like the one in question) is an almighty enemy, especially for those who never took the use of it. See attachment, f.e. Even nowadays, military up to a certain extent is depending on weather circumstances. For winter attacks in the mountains of Afghanistan, which steps exactly are you proposing to do? Would love to hear. Just to forward it to my old dad, this military fossil , always waiting for military "news". edited to add attachment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 November 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote[ You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... Oh thats right.. you could'nt realize that... carry on with your bashing. so between now and spring time we should just let the soldiers die waiting for reinforcements? If sending more troops is the answer then shouldn't they already be on the way, if changing the tactics is the correct action shouldn't it be done now? Do you even have a clue of what you are yacking about???? I think it makes more sense to have the troops there when the 'spring offensives' start, rather than wait until spring to start moving them, but hey, what do WE know compared to YOU?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #32 November 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteso between now and spring time we should just let the soldiers die waiting for reinforcements? Nobody's dying waiting for reinforcements. This isn't the Battle of the Bulge for God's sake. That kind of hyperbole is an insult to the troops, and only serves to weaken morale. People going on like that should be ashamed. more troops are dying in afganistan than at any time previous to Obama, either because of the tactics being used or because of not enough support or both. The time to try and fix the issue is now, not in the spring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #33 November 24, 2009 Quotemore troops are dying in afganistan than at any time previous to Obama, either because of the tactics being used or because of not enough support or both. Might one additional factor for increased fatalities be due to larger numbers of troops deployed? President Obama has authorized deployment of more troops than had been previously been deployed to Afghanistan. It's an oversimplification but a simple fact that does not seem to be recognized by many. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote You are kidding right.. just check how many whiney bitch threads certain people have posted after FAUX News or one of the fringe right talking heads mention in passing and certain people here have a sudden brainstorm and post it. Isn't your repeatedly postings about others' watching Fox just as parinoid, pathological, and even as whiny bitching as their watching it? Nope... I would hope they could broaden the scope of where they get their information from.. But most of you guys stop at FAUX News.. or Lush Rimjob, and I am sure from some of the posts a quick look on the C of CC website just to make sure of the purity factor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote [ You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... Oh thats right.. you could'nt realize that... carry on with your bashing. so between now and spring time we should just let the soldiers die waiting for reinforcements? If sending more troops is the answer then shouldn't they already be on the way, if changing the tactics is the correct action shouldn't it be done now? Do you even have a clue of what you are yacking about???? I think it makes more sense to have the troops there when the 'spring offensives' start, rather than wait until spring to start moving them, but hey, what do WE know compared to YOU? Uh Mikee that was my point.. I guess you missed that part huh... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #36 November 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteso between now and spring time we should just let the soldiers die waiting for reinforcements? Nobody's dying waiting for reinforcements. This isn't the Battle of the Bulge for God's sake. That kind of hyperbole is an insult to the troops, and only serves to weaken morale. People going on like that should be ashamed. I also read it as an example of the failure of the critical domestic component of executing a counterinsurgency strategy. Domestic audiences matter for executing COIN strategies abroad; they don't (so much) for counterterrorism ... but you know that. /Marg. Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote [ You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... Oh thats right.. you could'nt realize that... carry on with your bashing. so between now and spring time we should just let the soldiers die waiting for reinforcements? If sending more troops is the answer then shouldn't they already be on the way, if changing the tactics is the correct action shouldn't it be done now? Do you even have a clue of what you are yacking about???? I think it makes more sense to have the troops there when the 'spring offensives' start, rather than wait until spring to start moving them, but hey, what do WE know compared to YOU? Uh Mikee that was my point.. I guess you missed that part huh... Which part? The part where he said if we're going to send more troops we need to send them now, or the part where you ridiculed him for it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #38 November 24, 2009 It warms my heart to see you are genuinely concerned about President Obama's health and well-being. The rest of the thread (after the OP) isn't a very gripping read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d16842 0 #39 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote You are kidding right.. just check how many whiney bitch threads certain people have posted after FAUX News or one of the fringe right talking heads mention in passing and certain people here have a sudden brainstorm and post it. Isn't your repeatedly postings about others' watching Fox just as parinoid, pathological, and even as whiny bitching as their watching it? Nope... I would hope they could broaden the scope of where they get their information from.. But most of you guys stop at FAUX News.. or Lush Rimjob, and I am sure from some of the posts a quick look on the C of CC website just to make sure of the purity factor You just proved your paranoia, as I certainly don't get my news from either souce. And I am definitely conservative. Fox news is no more crazy than MSNBC. Personally I read, and listen to the BBC and NPR.Tom B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 November 24, 2009 QuoteHow, exactly, is delaying his decision failing to help the troops already in Afghanistan? Do you think he's cut off supplies in the meantime? This line of thinking being pushed by the Republicans makes no sense to me. Ya, I guess not sending an asked for 40K troops, or making any decision for 4 months would not hurt anybody."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 November 24, 2009 Quote You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... im not sure you know this but the military these days doesnt rely on "fair" weather to do anything so the thought of waiting for spring is ridiculous. So maybe its YOU who has no idea what your "yacking" about. HEY!!!!! nobody says they knows more about the military than Amazon!!! Just ask her"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 November 24, 2009 QuoteMarc, you started a totally different thread from what it's become. I don't watch enough TV to notice, and the stills I saw on Google didn't really highlight it. But I'd imagine that stress would get to anyone. There were times when GWB looked kind of peaked, and then got better again -- it could be that it's a down cycle right now. Wendy P. Yes, true, it seemed to take longer but, I watched more network news back then so the changes may not have been as noticeable. One thing for sure, he has a lot going on right now"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 November 24, 2009 Quote It warms my heart to see you are genuinely concerned about President Obama's health and well-being. The rest of the thread (after the OP) isn't a very gripping read. Ya, it did change as do most threads here. I hope he is OK. Got nothing against him. I do disagree with his policy and direction but that is just what politics are. Just seeing the one segment on TV was just striking to me "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #44 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote It warms my heart to see you are genuinely concerned about President Obama's health and well-being. The rest of the thread (after the OP) isn't a very gripping read. Ya, it did change as do most threads here. I hope he is OK. Got nothing against him. I do disagree with his policy and direction but that is just what politics are. Just seeing the one segment on TV was just striking to me OK, here's my wild, unscientific guess. He hasn't been president long enough yet, or had really brutal crises yet (as most presidents eventually do) to visibly age age him much in 11 months. I'm guessing he used to dye the grey out of his hair during the campaign; but now - not so much. Now I feel so catty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 November 24, 2009 Quote Quote Quote It warms my heart to see you are genuinely concerned about President Obama's health and well-being. The rest of the thread (after the OP) isn't a very gripping read. Ya, it did change as do most threads here. I hope he is OK. Got nothing against him. I do disagree with his policy and direction but that is just what politics are. Just seeing the one segment on TV was just striking to me OK, here's my wild, unscientific guess. He hasn't been president long enough yet, or had really brutal crises yet (as most presidents eventually do) to visibly age age him much in 11 months. I'm guessing he used to dye the grey out of his hair during the campaign; but now - not so much. Now I feel so catty. Hm, Ok, maybe, but my comments were more to the complexion and eyes"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #46 November 24, 2009 I'm guessing he probably isn't getting enough sleep. He's probably delegating too little, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 November 25, 2009 QuoteI'm guessing he probably isn't getting enough sleep. He's probably delegating too little, too. He does appear to be a micro manager"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #48 November 25, 2009 QuoteYa, I guess not sending an asked for 40K troops, or making any decision for 4 months would not hurt anybody. Nice sarcasm. So, how would it hurt them? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #49 November 25, 2009 He might have AIDS. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 November 25, 2009 Quote Quote You do realize its the winter season in a country that is mostly mountainous. Most fighting in regions like that start with the spring offensives... im not sure you know this but the military these days doesnt rely on "fair" weather to do anything so the thought of waiting for spring is ridiculous. So maybe its YOU who has no idea what your "yacking" about. HEY!!!!! nobody says they knows more about the military than Amazon!!! Just ask herOnce upon a time.. I went to and graduated from this very interesting course at a certain very large AFB base in FL. It was at that time the home of USAF Special Operations I think it is still there 30 years later. It was called COIN School.. you know.... where you go to learn how to fight a war against an enemy such as we are fighting now. Sun Tsu said something about knowing your enemy.. perhaps if you had any experience at all you MIGHT realize thatIts pretty obvious that you don't know YOUR opponents very well in so many areas. I guess you can always blame the NEA for that shortcoming too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
