ChangoLanzao 0 #26 November 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteThat's an endless argument waiting to happen Sometimes it's also important to do it BETTER. Show one Govt program that was run BETTER after the Govt took over. Go start a new thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 November 25, 2009 QuoteGo start a new thread. I got it... You can't answer. But my question is valid since THIS thread is called "How will the HC bill same money." You did know that this thread was called that right? Don't blame me for your inability to answer a simple question."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #28 November 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteGo start a new thread. I got it... You can't answer. But my question is valid since THIS thread is called "How will the HC bill same money." You did know that this thread was called that right? Don't blame me for your inability to answer a simple question. I have not heard one thing from any person (news, Obama, congress, or even the people on here) how this health care program will reduce health care costs. I have heard things that will cost money, tell me who will control health care, how an additional 30-40 million people will be getting health care and how the bill will control what is paid to doctors, but not one thing that will lower the cost of actually providing health care. nothing about tort reform, nothing about standard coding for billing, nothing about making illegals pay for health care( they send billions back to their country but cannot pay for an office visit?) so I assume that since the bill doesn't lower health care costs I will see a huge increase in what I pay for health care so those that should take care of themselves can get another free ride on the hard working, tax paying citizens of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #29 November 26, 2009 Quote And there, folks, is a major portion of our problem! Like doctors, who's on-going training is via TV commercials, politicians want to treat the symptoms & ignore the cause. No. Politicians want wield power through staying in office via re-election and trading favors. Keeping campaign donors happy helps. The appearance of doing things which can be described in sound bites helps, especially when those things are pain points getting media coverage. Actually fixing problems does not help unless it fits into one of the previous categories. Actually fixing problems would leave less to legislate over and make it harder to get re-elected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 November 26, 2009 Well said.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidB 0 #31 November 26, 2009 QuoteQuote And there, folks, is a major portion of our problem! Like doctors, who's on-going training is via TV commercials, politicians want to treat the symptoms & ignore the cause. No. Politicians want wield power through staying in office via re-election and trading favors. Keeping campaign donors happy helps. The appearance of doing things which can be described in sound bites helps, especially when those things are pain points getting media coverage. Actually fixing problems does not help unless it fits into one of the previous categories. Actually fixing problems would leave less to legislate over and make it harder to get re-elected. Drew, I think we agree, completely. Think about it: You can't treat the symptoms without side-effects. Basically it comes down to priorities & after a few decades of observation, I see MOST politicians' priorities as such: First & foremost: Get reelected. 2- Don't get caught. 3- Reward family, friends, & supporters, but... 4- DON'T GET CAUGHT! 5- Listen to your loudest constituents. 6- DON'T GET CAUGHT! etc., etc. SIG's (special INFLUENCE groups) & lobbyists exert way too much influence on legislation. It SHOULD be criminal, but that's asking the fox to guard the hen-house (oh wait, did I just describe this entire legislation...?). You can imagine when THAT will happen.When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #32 November 26, 2009 QuoteHowever, overall it will cost more than our current system. That should be the final nail in the coffin for this HC debate. I have never agreed with you more. Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #33 November 26, 2009 Quote Quote And there, folks, is a major portion of our problem! Like doctors, who's on-going training is via TV commercials, politicians want to treat the symptoms & ignore the cause. No. Politicians want wield power through staying in office via re-election and trading favors. Keeping campaign donors happy helps. The appearance of doing things which can be described in sound bites helps, especially when those things are pain points getting media coverage. Actually fixing problems does not help unless it fits into one of the previous categories. Actually fixing problems would leave less to legislate over and make it harder to get re-elected. Drew Eckhardt for President!!! 2012 Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
