good news for christians!

[rynodigsmusic 0]

"And that's why there are no genuine Christians there, as to be one you have to only have sex in marriage, only in missionary and only for procreation - no condoms, no oral, no anal. This alone would exclude a lot of so-called "christians"

I am sorry this is what you see. In many peoples' eyes, there may not be one who knows Jesus, but the spirit of Jesus is real, living, moving and working to bring people closer to God. Believe it or not, he wants you just as you are rather than not having you at all. His spirit will guide you into what you desire most in your heart. But you have to let go and stop trying to hold on so tight... We're either learning how to let go or learning how to hold on... and you know what they say "letting go is the hardest part"

"We didn't start the fire"

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Given that the barrier seems to be as low as saying "I'm a Christian", I'm not surprised you feel that way.

Your perception is wrong. I have nothing against you for just being a Christian - as long as you're not attempting to force others, who are not Christians, to live the "Christian way". And gay bashing is just one example of it.

* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *

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I am sorry this is what you see. In many peoples' eyes, there may not be one who knows Jesus, but the spirit of Jesus is real, living, moving and working to bring people closer to God. Believe it or not, he wants you just as you are rather than not having you at all.

Wow! So if he's real and wants me that much, can he suck my dick? You know, the Bible never says Jesus objected to that! Sure it didn't say he did it - but it also didn't say he was farting, pee, poop and a lot of other things he surely did, so the lack of mentioning alone does not stand as a proof he didn't do it.

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His spirit will guide you into what you desire most in your heart. But you have to let go and stop trying to hold on so tight... We're either learning how to let go or learning how to hold on... and you know what they say "letting go is the hardest part"

I don't need his guidance, I'm intelligent enough to make decisions on my own, and mature enough to take responsibility for my decisions.

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Time for the litigation aganst god, he is a law breaking cunt!

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What is your point? Apart from seeing that these criminals get the justice they deserve, how do their actions have anything to do with the Christian message. They obviously used the goodness and sacrifice of some to hide their evil actions. The ultimate wrong of this crime would be using their rejection of God to justify your own.

The Christain message is that the divine god is aware of everything, and we are all answerable to god upon our deaths.

How then does it make sense that god allowed these people to continue these dispicable actions? how is it reasonable to believe that a non believing sinner such as myself is allowed to have a nice home, a beautiful wife, a dream job and a great income while some devout christians were born into and will remain in poverty, opression and pain for the entire lives.

how is it possible that assholes that wish to overpower the masses are allowed to do so, are rewarded with lavish lifestyles and live as the please.

the christian message is faulty, wrong and in many cases criminal.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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how is it possible that assholes that wish to overpower the masses are allowed to do so, are rewarded with lavish lifestyles and live as the please.

the christian message is faulty, wrong and in many cases criminal.

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Excellent! Hopefully those who spew hate toward gays and abortion doctors would learn from your message :)

Too bad the same can't be said for those that spew hate toward Christians.

That doesn't really make any sense.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[billvon 2,990]

>How then does it make sense that god allowed these people to
>continue these dispicable actions?

Some possibilities:

1) An omniscient God might see these despicable actions as having a good result in the future (i.e. the murder of a 2 year old might make sense to him if that 2 year old would grow up to start a nuclear war)

2) Our perception of morality is based on our interface with the real world and the limitations/abilities that imposes us. (We can possess things by holding them, can lose them by having them taken away, we can wound and kill others, we cannot fly without mechanical means, we can fall down and drop things, we die, we reproduce and produce children that we identify as ours etc.) A being that those things do not all apply to, or apply to in different ways, may see such actions differently.

3) It is God's wish that we both have and exercise free will, and that such freedom is more important than protection against other's free will.

Take your pick.

[rynodigsmusic 0]

..."is allowed to have a nice home, a beautiful wife, a dream job and a great income while some devout christians were born into and will remain in poverty, opression and pain for the entire lives. "

Content CAN be found in any circumstance. It is possible that any of those Lifestyles you spoke, of although very hard in their own ways, could be more spiritually peaceful and enlightening. We have seen some of the greatest vessels of wisdom come from very humble beginnings.

"how is it possible that assholes that wish to overpower the masses are allowed to do so, are rewarded with lavish lifestyles and live as the please."

Because they are not seeking content, but they have to be there to tell the story of those who are at least trying, to inspire the deeper interests of the heart. Those sound more like examples of money power and greed to me rather than hope, love and peace.

"The Christain message is that the divine god is aware of everything, and we are all answerable to god upon our deaths."

Im afraid you dont know much about the Christian message. It is about bringing ALL the lost souls back to God, so we can all be one in love, and so that none shall perish, and man can be with God in eternity, "As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end". Somewhere along the line, the judgment of God fell on the ears and consciences of man, and man has been abusing its power since (probably well before that with the spirit of fear and judgment existent in our minds)... the truth hid itself while the lie continued to thrive inside the world... The lie that takes us further away from God, from our right to a clean conscience by the blood of Christ. Our life is our right. Repentance is just admitting the truth, grace is the power that cleanses, and faith keeps the thieves away. We are free to love rhys, so why arent we doing it? Whos fault is it? Could it be ours and even, could it (the blame) be destined to be overcome by the mind of mankind? Only when we all stop blaming each other do we begin to see blame in ourselves and will the world thrive in peace instead of contempt.

"We didn't start the fire"

[jclalor 12]

Jesus was a tyrant on many levels, but probably the worst of all of Jesus's ideas is the teaching of hell. He did not invent the concept of eternal punishment, but the promotion of the christian hell originated with Jesus. In the old testament, hell was just death or the grave. With Jesus, hell became a place of everlasting torment. In Mark9:43 Jesus said that "hell is th fire that never shall be quenched" In Matthew 13:41-42 Jesus gives us a graphic ( and almost gleeful) description of the place he created:"The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth". Hitler's gas ovens were horrendous andthe suffering unspeakable, but they did not burn forever. The murderd victims of the holocaust suffer no more, but the victims of Gods anger will scream forever and ever.

I don't beleive in Jesus or God, so I qualify as one of those "things that offend" in the above verse. Anyone who thinks it is moral for someone like me, a person who has used kindness and reason to come to conclusions- to be eternally punished for my views hasn't the faintest concept of morality. Any religion or system of thought that contains such a threat of physcial violence is morally bankrupt. For this reason alone Jesus deserves to be denounced as a tyrant.

And who could think he was wise? The teaching of Jesus includ these pearls of wisdom;

don't make any plans for the future (Matthew 6:34)

don't save any money (Matthew 6:19-20)

don't become wealthy (Mark 10:21,25 )

sell everything you have and give it to the poor (Luke 12:33)

don't work to obtain food such as meat, because it dosn't last forever ( John 6:27)

don't have sexual urges (Matthew 5;28)

marrying a divoriced woman is committing adultery ( Matthew 5:32)

act in such a way that people will want to persecute you (Mtthew 5:11)

let everyone know you are special and better than the rest (Matthew 5:13-14)

hate your family (Luke 14:26)

take money from those who have no savings and give it to the rich investors (Luke 19:23-26)

if someone steals from you, don't try and get it back(Luke 6:30)

if someone hits you, invite them to do it again (Matthew 5:39)

if you lose a lawsuit, give more than the judgment ( Matthew 5:40)

if someone forces you to walk a mile, walk two miles (Matthew 5:41)

if anyone ask you for anything, give it to them without question (Matthew 5:420)

if you do something wrong with your hand, cut it off, and if you do something wrong with your eye, pluck it out ( Matthew 5:29-30 said in a sexual context)