jcd11235 0 #226 December 8, 2009 QuoteGod is Wonder. Wow! Thanks! Now that mystery is solved.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #227 December 8, 2009 Now that's funny What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #228 December 8, 2009 Quote Quote It is my belief that both God and Man are ........ Man Made....... abnd I can live with that. Can You? Yep. Partially right: God was man "created". Man is result of a more than a million year old and still working evolution. I think we've pretty much killed evolution. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #229 December 9, 2009 QuoteAgain your argument is ridiculous...you ever seen a human heart? The heart has to do with desire. What do you want? QuoteThe more I read your posts, the more I realize half of what you say is made up. Explain to me where you get this exponentially rising result? Last time I checked, religion, on all fronts is losing momentum, and atheism is a rising trend in society. Exponentially means powerful. The amount of people has nothing to do with it. It is the spirit within the people that has the power. Basically, the light is appearing brighter. QuoteWhy can't curiosity just be a by-product of a self aware being? It can be in your mind... some are more curious than others. QuoteYou do not "know" god is real, and I know this because I do not know he is real, and you do not contain any mental capacity I do not. You arent listening to anything Im saying are you? But knowing whether he is real or not means nothing if you dont have faith that he is good. QuoteI can argue that I know the flying spaghetti monster is real, but of course I cannot back this up, and you would instantly refute my reasoning...same here. I have heard this one before. They must teach the spaghetti monster in school or something. But still your missing the goal of faith. QuoteYou on the other hand, seem to take words as truth, without an ounce of research or evidence Im afraid your mistaken. I felt a connection with the Gospel, it was very pure to me, I took that purity as the truth in my heart... from that, I found all the evidence I need. I have tested my faith against everything I have come across and my mind is consumed with truth and my heart with grace. Quoteof course, when you read other religious text that contained nearly identical stories, you decided they made no sense, but then when put in the bible they "make absolute sense"....come on now. I said earlier that many things in other religions have made sense to me. Many sayings and proverbs, philosophys ect... but that all of them contain revelations given in the Gospel. QuoteAbout the stem cell research, good I am glad you are for it, doesn't change the fact that your faith is against it. The faith is about discernment. My faith is not against stem cell research. If the religion of Christianity is sorely against it, I would at least listen to the reasons, but ultimately do the right thing. I believe that stem cell research will begin soon. QuoteSo following your same logic, faith does bring good, but also the atrocities of religion with it,like killing millions of people in the name of a god, or flying planes into buildings, or halting medical research, or opposing condom use in the #1 Aids infected capital of the world, would you agree? Yes, but also it is the greatest refuge for love. Soon, the spirit of truth will discern the difference between man made and God made "religions". Soon means inevitably. QuoteAnd where exactly did you find this in your religious text? It is revealed through the spirit in the words. "These words are spirit, and they are life""We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #230 December 9, 2009 I gotta wonder, how you found that pic? and I gotta admit, it is funny. Thats not the bread Jesus was speaking of though! "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #231 December 9, 2009 QuoteIt is my belief that both God and Man are ........ Man Made....... abnd I can live with that. Can You? If that is true, then sure, no problem. That would have made things a lot easier. But in my youth I became increasingly aware of an undiscovered and undeveloped part of my psyche that needed to be addressed. Looking back , I now realize it was a God consciousness that was causing an intense desire to know God. After many years and one hell of a ride, my pursuit of spiritual Truth and relationship with God has become my most valued possession. I am glad I did not settle for less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #232 December 9, 2009 Quote Exponentially means powerful. The only thing that could have made that sentence better is if you hadn't mixed adverbs and adjectives. Let's just say that you're right for the wrong reason.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #233 December 9, 2009 clearly you remember how undereducated I am? Its my fault, I should've gone to school.. and yes I know its not too late... oh well, you guys are just gonna have to cut me some slack in that department. "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #234 December 9, 2009 Quote I agree there are too many people out there that are crazy about throwing their faith in others faces and I do not like that. It just seems to me that you would be content with no one ever being able to talk about it. Nope, I just do not like that either. Especially when they try to throw their faith by passing laws, or by spending public money.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #235 December 9, 2009 "In the beginning God created Man. Man, being a gentleman, returned the favor." Clarence Darrow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RustyOats 0 #236 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote If a person does not express a belief and faith in God, how do you know you can trust them? How do you know they have a history of doing right things? That is why I have proceeded from being an atheist to an "anti-theist." Christianity (in particular but all theisms in general) is not a source of unity but a source of division. First they decide they don't respect us, then they don't trust us, then they don't feel the need to treat us fairly. At least the Muslims are upfront about it. Religion is evil at its core. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If anyone is more interested in the topic this is probably the best overview of the subject I have ever come across. Read it. Understand it. Forget it. Live on. http://www.amazon.com/End-Faith-Religion-Terror-Future/dp/0393327655/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260924348&sr=8-1 Just had to throw in a vote. Nice to see everyone thinking (or at least trying to JK. Funny how SC is more civil than the forums that you aren't suppose to argue in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #237 December 16, 2009 QuoteI believe that stem cell research will begin soon. I thought it had been going on for several decades. Relying on belief has never been a great strategy...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #238 December 16, 2009 QuoteRelying on belief has never been a great strategy Got it jakee. Lets just test your statement here. What do you believe in?"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #239 December 16, 2009 Since someone bumped this thread... http://www.theonion.com/content/news/sumerians_look_on_in_confusion_as Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #240 December 16, 2009 I believe what doesn't kill you makes you stranger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #241 December 16, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBfdl6hNZ9k&feature=relatedStupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #242 December 16, 2009 I just want someone to tell me whats going to happen when the sun eventually dies and the human race doesn't exist anymore. Who the hell is gonna keep God entertained then?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #243 December 16, 2009 I do love how you have avoided answering my questions: Why has God not talked to the masses like he used to do?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #244 December 16, 2009 What would you test in anyone's belief?? People believe so many different things! Belief often does not require evidence, so there is nothing to test. The best example of this is god. There have been lots of different gods that people have believed in or currently believe in all with out any evidence of existence. Belief can make you do strange things. When you can provide physical evidence of god any god then I will change my mind on this subject. This evidence must be repeatable for anyone and also be able to be tested and verified many times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #245 December 16, 2009 Sorry, I cant check youtube links here. "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #246 December 16, 2009 Quote I believe what doesn't kill you makes you stranger ... I think I like this!"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #247 December 16, 2009 It's from the movie Dark Knight. The Joker said that line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #248 December 16, 2009 I was unaware that I avoided any questions of yours. Why has God not talked to the masses like he used to? He already did this, few listened anyway. His message was to love him with all your heart, and love others with that same love. Love is alive man, either you believe in its power or you dont. I cant answer your question beyond that and JOHN 16. If you read Jn 16 you will see, maybe. If you dont have a bible, go on www.biblegateway.com and use the New International Version (I find it a little easier to read, understanding on the otherhand is not up to me). Merry Christmas"We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #249 December 16, 2009 Its funny to me because I believe we are all a bit strange to one another. If everything about everyone was exposed to one another, surely we would all find one grand thing in common. We are all very unique, and very "strange", and our walls are much more thick than we know. Hows this: "anyone who thinks he is normal is the most strange of all." "We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #250 December 16, 2009 I see it differently. To me it says that every experience changes you as a person. We are all a product of our environment. Who we are depends on how we each react to life. I react to a situation much differently then you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
