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mnealtx 0
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Americans have become considerably more obese over the past 25 years. This increase is primarily the result of consuming more calories.
If you are saying that all obese are noncompliant with medical advice, it looks like those are mostly Republicans who do not follow it. How come?
Yes, of course, George - ALL southern states have NOTHING but Republicans in them...
QuoteBut neither of your links proves that noncompliance with medical advice is higher in the USA.
I never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
QuoteAs I said before, "eat less, exercise more" is not medical advice, this is kind of "advice" one can get from a friend, a relative or even Joe the plumber - and everyone know it already anyway so they didn't hear anything new. Such advice would be pretty much as useless as a simple "you should quit smoking" advice, and expecting everyone to quit smoking immediately.
That is exactly my point - you can get that advice ANYWHERE.
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If you are saying that all obese are noncompliant with medical advice, it looks like those are mostly Republicans who do not follow it. How come?
So take your pick - if you're conceding that obesity has nothing to do with heath care, then stop claiming that lower metrics mean that the US HC system is a failure.
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If you are saying that all obese are noncompliant with medical advice, it looks like those are mostly Republicans who do not follow it. How come?
How come?
Probably has something to do with the "see what you want to see" thing.
You happen to catch the obesity rates by race? Rates for black and hispanic people (democrats by a large margin) are much higher than the rates for white people.
Did you even review recent polls on voter affiliation by state?
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If you are saying that all obese are noncompliant with medical advice, it looks like those are mostly Republicans who do not follow it. How come?
How come?
Probably has something to do with the "see what you want to see" thing.
You happen to catch the obesity rates by race? Rates for black and hispanic people (democrats by a large margin) are much higher than the rates for white people.
Did you even review recent polls on voter affiliation by state?
Want to correlate that to poverty rates for minorities and lack of health care let alone the cost of food that is cheap but fattening that the poor can still afford?
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So take your pick - if you're conceding that obesity has nothing to do with heath care,
I don't.
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then stop claiming that lower metrics mean that the US HC system is a failure.
I didn't.
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You happen to catch the obesity rates by race? Rates for black and hispanic people (democrats by a large margin) are much higher than the rates for white people.
Wow, I probably need to make a note to myself that Mississippi is full of obese black/hispanic democrats. You just opened my eyes!
And what about how much of the overall population are those obese blacks?
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Wow, I probably need to make a note to myself that Mississippi is full of obese black/hispanic democrats. You just opened my eyes!
Makes about as much sense as saying all the obese people are republicans doesn't it?
You probably need to make a note to yourself to actually look at some of the data out there before making baseless assumptions like that.
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And what about how much of the overall population are those obese blacks?
Probably pretty small, but I'm not the one saying that the majority of republicans are obese - that was all you.
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Makes about as much sense as saying all the obese people are republicans doesn't it?
It would be quite stupid statement, and that's why I didn't say that. You might want to check the quoted post before replying.
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Probably pretty small, but I'm not the one saying that the majority of republicans are obese - that was all you.
Even in Mississippi (which apparently has the largest number of blacks) it's only 37% versus 63% whites, so it indeed matters.
But we're now down from "all" to "majority", so you're making progress. Keep good work!
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It would be quite stupid statement, and that's why I didn't say that.
You just hoping no one is going to scroll up 7 posts ?
QuoteYou just hoping no one is going to scroll up 7 posts ?
So where exactly did I said (not quote the opponent) that? Don't be shy, point to a particular post.
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QuoteQuoteYou just hoping no one is going to scroll up 7 posts ?
So where exactly did I said (not quote the opponent) that? Don't be shy, point to a particular post.
I'm sorry, didn't realize you were incapable of counting.
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3751515;#3751423
QuoteI'm sorry, didn't realize you were incapable of counting.
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3751515;#3751423
So where exactly it says that "all the obese people are republicans"?
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kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteOverly simplified argument. There is no way to differentiate failures in treatment and lack of compliance with medical advice, which is NOT a failure of the healthcare system.
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Please present your PROOF that noncompliance is higher
in the USA.
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QuoteAmericans have become considerably more obese over the past 25 years. This increase is primarily the result of consuming more calories. The increase in food consumption is itself the result of technological innovations which made it possible for food to be mass prepared far from the point of consumption, and consumed with lower time costs of preparation and cleaning. Price changes are normally beneficial, but may not be if people have self-control problems. This applies to some population.
*Published: Cutler, David M., Edward L. Glaeser and Jesse M. Shapiro. "Why Have Americans Become More Obese?," Journal of Economic Perspectives, 2003, v17(3,Summer), 93-118.
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QuoteThe United States Surgeon General's office recently released a "Report on Physical Activity and Health." The report revealed that Americans are living more sedentary lives, thus creating physical and health risks. More than 60% of adults do not complete the recommended amount of physical activity, another 25% are not active at all. As such, 60% of Americans are overweight, many dangerously so.
Unfortunately, 250,000 people die prematurely every year due to lack of physical activity. This is an obvious problem considering that many diseases stem from obesity, including high blood pressure, cancer, diabetes, and many musculoskeletal conditions.
There's no comparison there with other countries, and no mention of compliance with doctors' "orders". Those data do NOT prove your point.
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kallend 2,027
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Americans have become considerably more obese over the past 25 years. This increase is primarily the result of consuming more calories.
If you are saying that all obese are noncompliant with medical advice, it looks like those are mostly Republicans who do not follow it. How come?
Yes, of course, George - ALL southern states have NOTHING but Republicans in them...QuoteBut neither of your links proves that noncompliance with medical advice is higher in the USA.
I never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
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Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading the forum. In comparing US with UK life expectancies YOU brought up the topic of non compliance.
So go ahead and prove to us how compliance rates account for the difference. The data you presented so far just show that Medicare comparatively improves the health of the older US population.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteI never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading
the forum.
Since we're talking about half-baked attempts at misleading, why don't you go ahead and show where I claimed that American non-compliance was higher than UK non-compliance.
For ONCE in this thread, PROVE it.
Mike
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kallend 2,027
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See previous post. In comparing US with UK life expectancies YOU brought up the topic of non compliance.
Since you can't prove a difference, are you now claiming it was just a red herring?
QuoteQuoteQuoteI never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading
the forum.
Since we're talking about half-baked attempts at misleading, why don't you go ahead and show where I claimed that American non-compliance was higher than UK non-compliance.
For ONCE in this thread, PROVE it.
See previous post. In comparing US with UK life expectancies YOU brought up the topic of non compliance.
Since you can't prove a difference, are you now claiming it was just a red herring?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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mnealtx 0
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QuoteQuoteQuoteI never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading
the forum.
Since we're talking about half-baked attempts at misleading, why don't you go ahead and show where I claimed that American non-compliance was higher than UK non-compliance.
For ONCE in this thread, PROVE it.
See previous post.
Lie.
Mike
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kallend 2,027
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QuoteQuoteQuoteI never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading
the forum.
Since we're talking about half-baked attempts at misleading, why don't you go ahead and show where I claimed that American non-compliance was higher than UK non-compliance.
For ONCE in this thread, PROVE it.
See previous post.
Lie.
In comparing US with UK life expectancies YOU brought up the topic of non compliance. Posts 179, 181.
Since you can't prove a difference, are you now claiming it was just a red herring?
That's Lame.
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mnealtx 0
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QuoteQuoteQuoteI never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading
the forum.
Since we're talking about half-baked attempts at misleading, why don't you go ahead and show where I claimed that American non-compliance was higher than UK non-compliance.
For ONCE in this thread, PROVE it.
See previous post.
Lie.
In comparing US with UK life expectancies YOU brought up the topic of non compliance. Posts 179, 181.
Since you can't prove a difference, are you now claiming it was just a red herring?
That's Lame.
I made NO claim about UK noncompliance. You lie again.
Mike
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kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[email]
QuoteQuoteQuoteI never made the claim that non-compliance was higher in the US - that was all kallend.
Ummm NO it was not. Not even a half-baked attempt at misleading
the forum.
Since we're talking about half-baked attempts at misleading, why don't you go ahead and show where I claimed that American non-compliance was higher than UK non-compliance.
For ONCE in this thread, PROVE it.
See previous post.
Lie.
In comparing US with UK life expectancies YOU brought up the topic of non compliance. Posts 179, 181.
Since you can't prove a difference, are you now claiming it was just a red herring?
That's Lame.
I made NO claim about UK noncompliance. You lie again.
You were comparing the USA with other countries, so why bring up "compliance" if you don't think compliance rates are relevant and you have no data? Just a red herring.
Anyhow, now that you ADMIT that you know nothing about relative compliance rates, and your inroduction of compliance into the discussion was just a red herring, you'll need to come up with another explanation for the US's miserable showing compared to countries with universal health care.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
If you are saying that all obese are noncompliant with medical advice, it looks like those are mostly Republicans who do not follow it. How come?
But neither of your links proves that noncompliance with medical advice is higher in the USA. As I said before, "eat less, exercise more" is not medical advice, this is kind of "advice" one can get from a friend, a relative or even Joe the plumber - and everyone know it already anyway so they didn't hear anything new. Such advice would be pretty much as useless as a simple "you should quit smoking" advice, and expecting everyone to quit smoking immediately.
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