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[normiss 803]

10 year old?

While I ALMOST understand why some kids are getting tazed...I'm still not comfortable with this way of dealing with minors.
Maybe a few parents out there need to establish some consistent discipline and love going on in their homes.

[quade 4]

The problem is there needs to be another level of less than lethal weapon or method of remotely restraining an individual.

I doubt few cops really want to shoot a ten-year-old with their weapon, but I also doubt many cops are willing to be injured while trying to deal with these kids.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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10 year old?

While I ALMOST understand why some kids are getting tazed...I'm still not comfortable with this way of dealing with minors.
Maybe a few parents out there need to establish some consistent discipline and love going on in their homes.

Foster child with a long history of acting out.

I still find it amazing you need a license to drive, yet can pop out as many kids as you want, completely fail to do anything constructive to raise them, give them to the government to raise (or have the gov't take them away) then pop out yet more kids.

With little or no consequences.
Or when resrictions are applied, the parent sues to prevent the "invasion of privacy"

Using the Taser on the kid is highly questionable, but the problem began a long, long time ago

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,998]

>I still find it amazing you need a license to drive, yet can pop out
>as many kids as you want, completely fail to do anything constructive
>to raise them, give them to the government to raise (or have the
>gov't take them away) then pop out yet more kids.

Giving the government control of your reproductive habits, or making certain abortions mandatory, seems like a bad idea.

[normiss 803]

seems like a Communist idea to me...

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>I still find it amazing you need a license to drive, yet can pop out
>as many kids as you want, completely fail to do anything constructive
>to raise them, give them to the government to raise (or have the
>gov't take them away) then pop out yet more kids.

Giving the government control of your reproductive habits, or making certain abortions mandatory, seems like a bad idea.

not punishing neglectfull parents seems to be the problem.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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>I still find it amazing you need a license to drive, yet can pop out
>as many kids as you want, completely fail to do anything constructive
>to raise them, give them to the government to raise (or have the
>gov't take them away) then pop out yet more kids.

Giving the government control of your reproductive habits, or making certain abortions mandatory, seems like a bad idea.

Yeah, I know.

Which is worse?

Gov't control over reproduction or uncontrolled reproduction with a total lack of resposibility on the part of the parents?

No win situation, which is why we have 10 year olds being tased.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Glitch 0]

How about instituting mandatory birth control on anyone lining up for public aid, welfare, WIC, or whatevery the hell you want to call it. Need help, no problem. Want "your" money, get your shot. Hell, even offer them a couple of grand cash, over and above the cost, to be sterilized! The generational cycle of poverty has to stop! Anyone have a better idea?

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

[Bolas 5]

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>I still find it amazing you need a license to drive, yet can pop out
>as many kids as you want, completely fail to do anything constructive
>to raise them, give them to the government to raise (or have the
>gov't take them away) then pop out yet more kids.

Giving the government control of your reproductive habits, or making certain abortions mandatory, seems like a bad idea.

not punishing neglectfull parents seems to be the problem.

Or holding them accountable...

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

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How about instituting mandatory birth control on anyone lining up for public aid, welfare, WIC, or whatevery the hell you want to call it. Need help, no problem. Want "your" money, get your shot. Hell, even offer them a couple of grand cash, over and above the cost, to be sterilized! The generational cycle of poverty has to stop! Anyone have a better idea?

I definitely agree with this concept. If you as an individual or a company are on the government "take" extra rules and restrictions can apply to you.

Don't like it? Don't take the $$$ then.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 2,998]

>not punishing neglectfull parents seems to be the problem.

We do punish parents who are dangerously neglectful. Punishing parents who are just more neglectful than you would like would be a pretty bad idea IMO. ("What? Just letting their kids watch TV most of the day? That's no way to grow up. Throw em in jail!")

[justinb138 0]

I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

[quade 4]

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I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

Yeah, that's not a can of worms is it? Let's just open it and see what happens?

Unfortunately, it's far more complicated than just waving a magic wand.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[justinb138 0]

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I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

Yeah, that's not a can of worms is it? Let's just open it and see what happens?

Unfortunately, it's far more complicated than just waving a magic wand.

Never said it'd be an easy thing to do, just saying that I disagree with tax policies of this nature.

[shropshire 0]

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I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

Because it's a well known fact that only poor people have shitty kids ... Never the ones that are packed off to school or farmed out to nannies

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Bolas 5]

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I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

Yeah, that's not a can of worms is it? Let's just open it and see what happens?

Unfortunately, it's far more complicated than just waving a magic wand.

It really isn't, it's just slow. You institute the necessary changes in policy (restrictions, background checks, etc.) grandfather the current generation in with less restrictions if needed to get it passed.

Enraged private citizens will give to charities to make up the slack until they see it's a losing battle then let those that don't want to comply (think of it more as a sponsorship contract than laws) fend for themselves.

If they restrict nothing else, restrict their right to vote as it's clearly a conflict of interest to be allowed to vote for politicians/programs one doesn't have to help pay for.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

How about not increasing benifits for those that collect any government or dissabilty payments that have more kids. better yet reduce those payments if you do have more kids.

[justinb138 0]

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I think a good start would be to stop the tax breaks and subsidies for people that have a bunch of kids.

How about not increasing benifits for those that collect any government or dissabilty payments that have more kids. better yet reduce those payments if you do have more kids.

I would prefer that the government neither encourage nor discourage people from having children.

[DanG 1]

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How about not increasing benifits for those that collect any government or dissabilty payments that have more kids. better yet reduce those payments if you do have more kids.

I understand what you're getting at, but at some point you're punishing the kids, not the parents. The kids didn't ask to be born eighth in a poor family. Making it harder for Mom to feed them isn't fair to the kids.

I also question permanent sterilazation for welfare recipients. The goal of welfare should be to help people survive long enough to get off welfare, not make getting welfare so onerous that people would rather turn to crime to make ends meet. Even temporary sterilization raises public health issues. If you force birth control on a large portion of the population, I'd be willing to bet the rate of STDs will rise, and they tend not to stay isolated.

- Dan G

[Glitch 0]

I don't question it at all. It would be optional. Uncle Sam pays for the procedure and pays them 2K/5K/Whatever amt... This would give them a financial boost, as well as get rid of the hassle of them getting their monthly BC shot (or whatever) AND reducie the long term and future payout of taxpayer money (although, admittedly, it would take a generation or so to feel the effects).

Please, feel free to offer up a better suggestion for breaking the cycle.

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

[DanG 1]

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Please, feel free to offer up a better suggestion for breaking the cycle.

Breaking the cycle? How about improve schools, create jobs, reduce gang violence, abandon the War on Drugs, reduce minimum sentencing guidelines for non-violent offfenders, improve access to pre- and post-natal care? All of those things will help reduce the cycle of poverty.

Sterilizing people treats a symptom, not the disease. It is also morally questionable.

- Dan G

[kelpdiver 2]

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not punishing neglectfull parents seems to be the problem.

Or holding them accountable...

The officer could taze the mother instead, but I don't think that getting the kid to behave any better.

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not punishing neglectfull parents seems to be the problem.

Or holding them accountable...

The officer could taze the mother instead, but I don't think that getting the kid to behave any better.

It might make parents spend more time working with their kids to help them be better people.

[airdvr 210]

Sometimes no matter what kind of parent you are, your kids do fucked up shit.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[akarunway 1]

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Sometimes no matter what kind of parent you are, your kids do fucked up shit.

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