Republican version of health care

[funjumper101 15]

works great. No rationing of care at all. Just go to the emergency room and all is good. There is no way that the system could be improved at all...

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Tony Andrade owes tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills, and in June he was diagnosed with bladder cancer, reports the Sacramento Bee's Bobby Caina Calvan, who is profiling him for a three-part series. Andrade is uninsured, but went to the emergency room after finding blood in his urine because he knew they would admit him. The ER diagnosed his tumor, but refused to operate. "I thought doctors were supposed to help you," he said. "I've got this tumor inside me that needs to come out, that this doctor told me needs to come out, and he's turning me away."

He earns $11.50 an hour -- too much to qualify for California's version of Medicaid, but not enough to pay for his own insurance coverage. He also has diabetes, which would qualify as a pre-existing condition and make his insurance costs even higher. Andrade recently was approved for a county indigent services program, but bureaucratic problems halted his treatment briefly. In late September surgery to help prevent the spread of his tumor was finally approved, though the procedure still terrified him.

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I sincerely hope that every single one of the folks opposed to health care reform has themselves, or a loved one, go through the this kind of hell.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

DON'T GET SICK.

[justinb138 0]

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... Andrade recently was approved for a county indigent services program, but bureaucratic problems halted his treatment briefly. In late September surgery to help prevent the spread of his tumor was finally approved, though the procedure still terrified him.

So the answer is more bureaucracy?

[tkhayes 348]

Phantom (Jim Kime) died here in Zephyrhills because all he could get was emergency room care when he had a chronic condition. He gets sick, he goes to the emergency room, he gets an x-ray and symptomatic treatment and he gets sent home.

They will not admit him, since he is 'manageable' but admission is what he needs and he would get SOME treatment if they admit him, but they do not. Jim does not have a say in that matter. Once admitted, yes they would have to treat him and hope to collect later.

When he is so sick that they have to admit him, it is too late and he dies.

He canot get a referral to a specialist, he cannot get the testing that he needs, he basically cannot get that 'free healthcare that everyone has access to through the emergency room' because it does not exist beyond immediate issues like a fracture or injury that can be handled in one or two treatments.

Jim Kime is the perfect reason that the system has to change - but at least he followed the 'right-wing plan' which is, it you cannot afford it, then somewhere in your life, you must have fucked up by not becoming a millionaire, so go ahead and die.

Certainly the insurance companies and the hospitals were 'glad' that he died.

[JohnDeere 0]

Can you name one republican that says the current system dosen't need to be changed?

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California's version of Medicaid

So a liberal state has a poor medical system and you blame the republicans? Get real! At least use a good example. There are plenty out there.

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[JohnDeere 0]

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it you cannot afford it, then somewhere in your life, you must have fucked up by not becoming a millionaire, so go ahead and die.

I didnt know you had to be rich to get health insurance...... I feel rich already

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[kelpdiver 2]

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DON'T GET SICK.

Avoiding obesity and diabetes (type II being very directly linked to the first) would help as well.

Those are details for this person not included in the short version.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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DON'T GET SICK.

Avoiding obesity and diabetes (type II being very directly linked to the first) would help as well.

Those are details for this person not included in the short version.

Shouldn't all obese people with diabetes be treated equally? Are you suggesting that it's ethical to let the poor one die while the rich one gets treatment? Or are you saying that all obese people with diabetes shouldn't be treated regardless? After all, it's their own damned fault. Is that what you are saying?

[billvon 3,009]

>So a liberal state has a poor medical system

Best state for healthcare coverage: Hawaii (liberal state)

Percentage of uninsured adults under age 65: 12.8
Insurance premium as percentage of income: 12.1
Percentage who couldn't see a doctor because of costs: 3.4
Percentage of adults with a "usual" doctor or provider: 81.8

Worst state for healthcare coverage: Oklahoma (conservative state)
Percentage of uninsured adults under age 65: 25.5
Insurance premium as percentage of income: 17.1
Percentage who couldn't see a doctor because of costs: 18
Percentage of adults with a "usual" doctor or provider: 78

* - by Forbes Magazine Jun 2007

So chances are, if you are going to get screwed by not having healthcare, or not being able to afford to see a doctor - it's going to be in a conservative state.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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So chances are, if you are going to get screwed by not having healthcare, or not being able to afford to see a doctor - it's going to be in a conservative state.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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DON'T GET SICK.

Avoiding obesity and diabetes (type II being very directly linked to the first) would help as well.

Those are details for this person not included in the short version.

Shouldn't all obese people with diabetes be treated equally? Are you suggesting that it's ethical to let the poor one die while the rich one gets treatment? Or are you saying that all obese people with diabetes shouldn't be treated regardless? After all, it's their own damned fault. Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying it was deliberately misleading to talk about the guy getting cancer and not mentioning the risk factors that he contributed to. And as in many cases, he had insurance in the past.

If Obama truly wants to reform health care, it should involve an aggressive attack on our lifestyle issues. It's idiotic to think that ignoring most costs while adding new layers of bureaucracy is going to improve matters.

As the righties have pointed out, if it's just about insuring the uninsured, add them to the gov plan. Easy to do.

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Shouldn't all obese people with diabetes be treated equally? Are you suggesting that it's ethical to let the poor one die while the rich one gets treatment? Or are you saying that all obese people with diabetes shouldn't be treated regardless? After all, it's their own damned fault. Is that what you are saying?

I think he's saying not they shouldn't be treated as much as treated for "free."

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[JohnDeere 0]

Bravo you sure missed the point!

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[FallingOsh 0]

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>So a liberal state has a poor medical system

Best state for healthcare coverage: Hawaii (liberal state)

Percentage of uninsured adults under age 65: 12.8
Insurance premium as percentage of income: 12.1
Percentage who couldn't see a doctor because of costs: 3.4
Percentage of adults with a "usual" doctor or provider: 81.8

Worst state for healthcare coverage: Oklahoma (conservative state)
Percentage of uninsured adults under age 65: 25.5
Insurance premium as percentage of income: 17.1
Percentage who couldn't see a doctor because of costs: 18
Percentage of adults with a "usual" doctor or provider: 78

* - by Forbes Magazine Jun 2007

So chances are, if you are going to get screwed by not having healthcare, or not being able to afford to see a doctor - it's going to be in a conservative state.

Jun 2007... about the time the Keiki Care program was signed into law. The universal child healthcare program that went bankrupt and was cancelled 7 months into its implementation...

Very convincing argument that we should follow liberal states. California and Hawaii... any other grand examples?

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... Andrade recently was approved for a county indigent services program, but bureaucratic problems halted his treatment briefly. In late September surgery to help prevent the spread of his tumor was finally approved, though the procedure still terrified him.

So the answer is more bureaucracy?

The answer is the one you like; let scum like this die because IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT HE'S SICK.

[Lucky... 0]

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Phantom (Jim Kime) died here in Zephyrhills because all he could get was emergency room care when he had a chronic condition. He gets sick, he goes to the emergency room, he gets an x-ray and symptomatic treatment and he gets sent home.

They will not admit him, since he is 'manageable' but admission is what he needs and he would get SOME treatment if they admit him, but they do not. Jim does not have a say in that matter. Once admitted, yes they would have to treat him and hope to collect later.

When he is so sick that they have to admit him, it is too late and he dies.

He canot get a referral to a specialist, he cannot get the testing that he needs, he basically cannot get that 'free healthcare that everyone has access to through the emergency room' because it does not exist beyond immediate issues like a fracture or injury that can be handled in one or two treatments.

Jim Kime is the perfect reason that the system has to change - but at least he followed the 'right-wing plan' which is, it you cannot afford it, then somewhere in your life, you must have fucked up by not becoming a millionaire, so go ahead and die.

Certainly the insurance companies and the hospitals were 'glad' that he died.

It just makes me laugh that conservatives play off these atrocities with rhetoric instead of facing the truth; they're incompassionate assholes. It would be like Letterman saying: ya I fucked up, it's all true vs. Tiger playing tug the sausage and trying to deceive the media and letting us all draw our ownconclusions. IOW's, the RW are dicks than we all know rather than just admitting to being dickheads. How do you mask incmpassion to that level? And under the guise of smaller government, the party that basically owns 80%+ of teh 12 debt. WHat a joke.

[Lucky... 0]

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Can you name one republican that says the current system dosen't need to be changed?

Riiiiiiiiight, changed meaning different, but not better. Hey, I know, we'll open up med ins accross state lines so the coverage I couldn't afford here will become the coverage I can't afford in all 50. Then we'll pretend all is perfect. Do you think anyone buys the BS rhetoric? Do you think they ever did?

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it you cannot afford it, then somewhere in your life, you must have fucked up by not becoming a millionaire, so go ahead and die.

I didnt know you had to be rich to get health insurance...... I feel rich already

If you have preexistings you better have some cash.

[Lucky... 0]

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DON'T GET SICK.

Avoiding obesity and diabetes (type II being very directly linked to the first) would help as well.

Those are details for this person not included in the short version.

That's true, only heavy people get sick. Call the AMA everyone, we have the keys to teh universe; don't get fat and live helthy forever.

Don't get fat = we don't give a shit about suck people......we get it.

[Lucky... 0]

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DON'T GET SICK.

Avoiding obesity and diabetes (type II being very directly linked to the first) would help as well.

Those are details for this person not included in the short version.

Shouldn't all obese people with diabetes be treated equally? Are you suggesting that it's ethical to let the poor one die while the rich one gets treatment? Or are you saying that all obese people with diabetes shouldn't be treated regardless? After all, it's their own damned fault. Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying it was deliberately misleading to talk about the guy getting cancer and not mentioning the risk factors that he contributed to. And as in many cases, he had insurance in the past.

If Obama truly wants to reform health care, it should involve an aggressive attack on our lifestyle issues. It's idiotic to think that ignoring most costs while adding new layers of bureaucracy is going to improve matters.

As the righties have pointed out, if it's just about insuring the uninsured, add them to the gov plan. Easy to do.

So then in your utopian world cessation of smoking, drugs, overeating and other issues would not be covered. You would have to be in certain parameters in order to get health coverage. Sometimes these issues are teh problem and they need attention. I've been the picture of helth my entire life, never smoked, rarely drank, vegetarian, usually worked out, very active, etc. I have some health issues at my age, I guess your prescription that only fatties get sick is just BS.

[Lucky... 0]

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>So a liberal state has a poor medical system

Best state for healthcare coverage: Hawaii (liberal state)

Percentage of uninsured adults under age 65: 12.8
Insurance premium as percentage of income: 12.1
Percentage who couldn't see a doctor because of costs: 3.4
Percentage of adults with a "usual" doctor or provider: 81.8

Worst state for healthcare coverage: Oklahoma (conservative state)
Percentage of uninsured adults under age 65: 25.5
Insurance premium as percentage of income: 17.1
Percentage who couldn't see a doctor because of costs: 18
Percentage of adults with a "usual" doctor or provider: 78

* - by Forbes Magazine Jun 2007

So chances are, if you are going to get screwed by not having healthcare, or not being able to afford to see a doctor - it's going to be in a conservative state.

Jun 2007... about the time the Keiki Care program was signed into law. The universal child healthcare program that went bankrupt and was cancelled 7 months into its implementation...

Very convincing argument that we should follow liberal states. California and Hawaii... any other grand examples?

Right, therefore if we can't fund it, then scrap it. See, we find a way to cover 600B yr + 150B yr for the military and Iraq War, yet we can't find a way to cover everyone medically even with basic coverage. I think that defines the US.

[justinb138 0]

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So chances are, if you are going to get screwed by not having healthcare, or not being able to afford to see a doctor - it's going to be in a conservative state.

You're making that assumption by comparing only two states?

I'd expect better from you.

[tkhayes 348]

you don't need to be rich to get health insurance, but if you had a serious chronic condition, like cancer, and you had to pay for the treatment out of pocket, yes you would need to be a millionaire to afford it - ask Phil Smith here in Z-Hills, one of the lucky ones - he had the dollars to do it himself.

Now, if you want insurance (and not just insurance, but ADEQUATE insurance) - there are somewhere between 40-50 million UNINSURED Americans and 10-30 million more UNDERINSURED Americans - then you had better be making more money than those people in order to afford the insurance (apparently).

And people like Phantom, (and the guy at Wal-Mart, and the guy who works on your roof and so on), will NEVER afford Health Insurance, certainly not adequate insurance.

And the world need janitors too, and day-laborers, and cashiers, and bakery workers and pretty much every other low-end job that you can think of. These people cannot and will not be able to afford adequate health insurance on their own. Simple fact.

And they can get sick just like anyone else - or fall down the stairs, or have a car accident, or whatever.

Target their 'poor lifestyles' if you want, but there are just as many 'wealthy diabetics' as 'poor diabetics' I bet

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So chances are, if you are going to get screwed by not having healthcare, or not being able to afford to see a doctor - it's going to be in a conservative state.

You're making that assumption by comparing only two states?

I'd expect better from you.

The essence is comparing red states to blue states. We can do this with HC, wages, workplace mortality, standard of living for lower class people, missery factor, and probably many things and find a general trend of things being worse for poor/MC people in red states. Not a real tough concept; quit the denial.

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...there are somewhere between 40-50 million UNINSURED Americans and 10-30 million more UNDERINSURED Americans ...

This is the point. Nazis try to mitigate the number down to a couple tho, everyone else is happy with their coverage. Truth is I think the underinsured number is quite a bit higher.

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Target their 'poor lifestyles' if you want, but there are just as many 'wealthy diabetics' as 'poor diabetics' I bet

Yes but the richer ones are better people who deserve more than the poorer ones.