I was wrong about global warming

[yourmomma 0]

Sorry, ill say it slow so you get all of it.
Global
Warming
Does
Not
Mean
The
End
Of
Winter.
Infact
Increased
Temperatures
On
One
Bit
Of
Earth
Can
Lead
To
Decreased
Temperatures
In
Localized(meaning millions of square kilometers)
Areas
While
Still
Not
Having
A
Effect
On
Average
Global
Temps.

[mnealtx 0]

Condescension doesn't make your point, either.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Do you have the slightest idea how large of a land mass is up here in the frozen tundra called Canada? The north and the western prairies (currently experiencing these arctic temperatures) would eat up much of the land mass of the entire continental US. This is NOT local weather I am talking about.

Humans CAN NOT control Mother Nature.

but ...

Humans can control the toxins they pollute.

Stop trying to play God ... your hero Al "I invented the Internet" Gore CAN NOT control Mother Nature with his Cap and Trade scheme. All that is going to happen is that a small minority of the elite who are already rich beyond belief are going to royally screw everyone else with their wealth transfer and China and India are going to continue to pump toxins into their respective eco-systems.

BTW ... Electric cars are useless in -30C climates. I have not seen a single Smart Car driving the public roads this last week and yes people do own Smart cars up here. But driving a Smart car is not a very smart thing to do during a Canadian winter. Unless you have lived up here, you are clueless as to what we go through every winter. But it is easy to act like you know it all when you live in a warm climate isn't it. Once again come on up and spend a winter in Western Canada and then tell me the world is warm. I ###king welcome Global Warming after the cold we have experienced this week.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[kallend 2,106]

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Do you have the slightest idea how large of a land mass is up here in the frozen tundra called Canada? The north and the western prairies (currently experiencing these arctic temperatures) would eat up much of the land mass of the entire continental US. This is NOT local weather I am talking about.

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It IS winter. The winter solstice is a week away.

Do you have any idea how big the OCEANS are?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,106]

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Condescension doesn't make your point, either.

You and rushmc deserve all the condescension you get.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Do you have any idea how big the OCEANS are?

Yes there is more (salt) water in this world than anything else. Are you about to tell me that you believe in Kevin Costner's Waterworld? ROFLMAO ... and you call yourself a scientist.

Paper ... you have paper ... ohhhhhhhhh paper ...

Humans CAN NOT control Mother Nature.

but

They can control their pollutants.

If you want to talk cancer causing toxins in our air and in our water, then I am all ears. But if you are pushing Cap and Trade from your hero Al "I invented the Internet" Gore, then I am sorry I do not believe in your religious climategate socialism.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[yourmomma 0]

Yes, several million kilometers, a (tiny) fraction of the earth. At those temps petrol engines fall prey to the moisture in the fluid systems that make up fuel and cooling. Again global worming has never, nor will it ever imply that winter does not exist.

[kallend 2,106]

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Do you have any idea how big the OCEANS are?

Yes there is more (salt) water in this world than anything else. Are you about to tell me that you believe in Kevin Costner's Waterworld? ROFLMAO ... and you call yourself a scientist.

Paper ... you have paper ... ohhhhhhhhh paper ...

Humans CAN NOT control Mother Nature.

Wrong. Try doing some research on how human origin acid rain destroyed life in hundreds of lakes in Canada, New England and northern Europe, and how cap and trade has greatly improved the situation.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Your Cap and Trade system is going to royally screw us up the ass as you tax the living #### out of us as Al Gore laughs all the way to the bank. But then what the heck do you care about the people up north. You don't live with -30C weather. You could care less that it costs us hundreds of dollars every month to heat our homes, not counting the hundreds more this Cap and Trade scam will cost us.

Come spend a winter up here in Western Canada's prairies and don't forget to bring your electric car that you must use on a daily basis as you get around. Or better yet, take the bus every where you go ... sure is nice waiting for the bus when the mercury drops to -30C. Then tell us how well you fared with our arctic climate living in your unheated home posting on the internet using electricity with your plastic computer made with oil.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[kallend 2,106]

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Your Cap and Trade system is going to royally screw us up the ass as you tax the living #### out of us as Al Gore laughs all the way to the bank. l.

I think you'll find that I have nothing to do with cap and trade. IIRC it was Ronald Reagan that implemented it for SO2 emissions, AND IT WORKS.

BTW, from the tone of your posts I will be charitable and assume you've had too much to drink.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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BTW, from the tone of your posts I will be charitable and assume you've had too much to drink.

No not too much to drink.
More like I am not buying into the climategate religion.

The Cap and Trade scam is going to royally screw us northerners who have no choice if we do not want to freeze to death as Al "I invented the Internet all the way from it's always warm here in the southern US of A" Gore laughs all the way to the bank.

I believe in evolution ... I believe the earth and most (not all) creatures will find a way to adapt to the ever changing planet. I also know that one day ... a long long long time from now ... life on this planet will cease to exist. Why? because our sun is doomed ...

Stop playing God ...

Humans can NOT control Mother Nature

but

Humans can control their pollutants.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,070]

>Do you have the slightest idea how large of a land mass is up here in
>the frozen tundra called Canada?

Not as much as in Antarctica, which is (slowly) warming.

>Humans CAN NOT control Mother Nature.

Check out the Colorado River. One of the biggest rivers on Earth. Gone by the time it reaches the ocean.

Check out the ozone layer and what we did to it.

It is somewhat foolish to think that we can increase one of the constituents of our atmosphere by 50% and think that absolutely nothing will change.

>Stop trying to play God ... your hero Al "I invented the Internet" Gore
>CAN NOT control Mother Nature with his Cap and Trade scheme.

It will take a lot more than that.

>All that is going to happen is that a small minority of the elite who are
>already rich beyond belief are going to royally screw everyone else with
>their wealth transfer and China and India are going to continue to pump
>toxins into their respective eco-systems.

I'd prefer to stop the small minority of the elite who are royally screwing everyone else right now - but to each their own.

>BTW ... Electric cars are useless in -30C climates.

Yep. Hybrids would be a much better choice. The Toyota Highlander hybrid would be a good vehicle for such a climate if you want to reduce CO2 emissions.

>Once again come on up and spend a winter in Western Canada and
>then tell me the world is warm.

Spend a year in sub-Saharan Africa and tell me the world _isn't_ warm.

[Amazon 7]

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Your Cap and Trade system is going to royally screw us up the ass as you tax the living #### out of us as Al Gore laughs all the way to the bank. But then what the heck do you care about the people up north. You don't live with -30C weather. You could care less that it costs us hundreds of dollars every month to heat our homes, not counting the hundreds more this Cap and Trade scam will cost us.

Come spend a winter up here in Western Canada's prairies and don't forget to bring your electric car that you must use on a daily basis as you get around. Or better yet, take the bus every where you go ... sure is nice waiting for the bus when the mercury drops to -30C. Then tell us how well you fared with our arctic climate living in your unheated home posting on the internet using electricity with your plastic computer made with oil.

Does going camping 3 or 4 days a week for an entire winter 25 miles outside of Fairbanks count??? THAT I have done... its a bitch.. especially when you are responsible for a bunch of urban college boys who dont know squat about camping in Florida let alone northern Alaska in winter.

Like it or not.. our climate is changing... I have spent a fair amount of time in the Arctic and even a couple trips to the other end of the earth. AS a climber I have seen many of the glaciers here in the Cascades disappear completely in the last 37 years of climbing, hiking and camping in the American Alps and the Rockies.. including the Canadian Rockies... How far has the Columbia Icefield up near Banff decreased??? When I first saw it in the 1973 it was noticably larger than it was when I went up there 3 years ago... Over the years its shrunk a lot. You complain about the winters up there... hold on.. because as the oceans warm... I think you will see even more drastic changes in the winter weather there.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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BTW ... Electric cars are useless in -30C climates.

Yep. Hybrids would be a much better choice. The Toyota Highlander hybrid would be a good vehicle for such a climate if you want to reduce CO2 emissions.

No thanks ...

http://www.samarins.com/reviews/highlander.html

In case you do not want to read the link ... it says "No manual transmission were offered.".

I realize someone from Southern California knows so much more about how to drive in winter weather conditions versus someone who has spent their entire life living in Canada (minus an 8 year stint also living in occasionally very snowy Colorado). But this northern driver does NOT like driving automatic vehicles on snow and ice ... Nope I prefer to drive manual transmissions on the slippery icy stuff. If you don't mind, I think I will be keeping my 5 speed manual transmission Jeep Wrangler for as long as I can.

BTW ... I would love to see Al "I invented the Internet" Gore debate Lord Monkton on climategate. But somehow I doubt Mr Gore would ever agree to this debate since his movie and his views have little to do about science and instead are about his politics and his desire to control his Cap and Trade scam.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[kallend 2,106]

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Stop playing God ...

If you're not drunk, then you're being very silly.

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Humans can NOT control Mother Nature

Plenty of evidence to the contrary.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Sorry, ill say it slow so you get all of it.
Global
Warming
Does
Not
Mean
The
End
Of
Winter.
Infact
Increased
Temperatures
On
One
Bit
Of
Earth
Can
Lead
To
Decreased
Temperatures
In
Localized(meaning millions of square kilometers)
Areas
While
Still
Not
Having
A
Effect
On
Average
Global
Temps.

Of course we all have already heard that ALL wether changes, extreems, ECT are the cause of AWG.

Time for you to go pray to Algore again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,070]

>In case you do not want to read the link ... it says "No manual
>transmission were offered.".

No transmissions offered period actually. The HSD vehicles don't use a transmission - they have a power split device that doesn't have different ratios.

>I realize someone from Southern California knows so much more about
>how to drive in winter weather conditions versus someone who has spent
>their entire life living in Canada . . .

Right. And someone who grew up in Canada probably knows so much more about how to drive in wintry cities than someone who grew up in New York and Boston.

>Nope I prefer to drive manual transmissions on the slippery icy stuff. If
>you don't mind, I think I will be keeping my 5 speed manual
>transmission Jeep Wrangler for as long as I can.

Not at all! Whatever you like.

>BTW ... I would love to see Al "I invented the Internet" Gore debate Lord
> Monkton on climategate.

You mean "Aliens are changing the climate" Monkton? That would indeed be entertaining.

[mnealtx 0]

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>BTW ... I would love to see Al "I invented the Internet" Gore debate Lord
> Monkton on climategate.

You mean "Aliens are changing the climate" Monkton? That would indeed be entertaining.

Yup, him vs. Al "the interior of the earth is several MILLION degrees" Gore.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Right. And someone who grew up in Canada probably knows so much more about how to drive in wintry cities than someone who grew up in New York and Boston.

Yes I think there is a very good chance that someone who actually lives in climate that routinely experiences -30C temperatures would have more seat time driving on the white slippery icy stuff than some New York/Boston area person. You can't seriously be implying that New York and Boston has anything remotely close to the arctic weather the Canadian prairies experiences? Toronto has cup cake winters, and their winters are harsher than New York's and Boston's. ROFLMAO

BTW ... what does Al Gore know about hockey sticks? Too bad the Nobel Peace Prize winner neglected to tell the truth in his Academy Award winning science fiction horror movie. Too funny ... but the Nobel Peace Prize does not mean anything anymore. When it gets awarded to a man who escalates a war, obviously the Nobel Peace prize has little to do with peace and everything to do with propaganda. Personally I would strip Barack of his prize since (knock on wood) he's not nearly as bad on the propaganda front as Gore with the "all the ice on the two poles will be gone in the next five years if we don't give him a blank Cap and Trade check" with his religious climategate. But there is still time for Obama to part the Red Sea before he arrives in Denmark.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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No transmissions offered period actually. The HSD vehicles don't use a transmission - they have a power split device that doesn't have different ratios.

I never did explain why I do NOT like automatic transmissions on the icy roads. With a manual transmission, the moment you sense that you are losing grip you can immediately engage the clutch (usually within 1/4 to 1/2 a second) and power to the wheels is neutralized. From that point on you are just dealing with direction and decreasing momentum versus having to deal with a car who's wheels are still being driven forward by the engine. It has nothing to do with power splitting or gear ratios and everything to do with regaining control after possibly losing control of the car. Sorry unless your hybrid has a way to immediately disengage power to the wheels within a split second, I prefer driving a clutch equipped vehicle on the icy roads. You see to me being able to safely navigate wintery roads when it is -30C is a million times more important that my carbon foot print.

But driving on icy roads has nothing to do with Al Gore's climegate global warning hysteria propaganda. So I shall never speak of automatic versus manual transmission on snowy icy roads ever again ... in this thread.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[rushmc 23]

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>BTW ... I would love to see Al "I invented the Internet" Gore debate Lord
> Monkton on climategate.

You mean "Aliens are changing the climate" Monkton? That would indeed be entertaining.

Yup, him vs. Al "the interior of the earth is several MILLION degrees" Gore.

Ya, the Gore that said yesteday the poloar ice will be gone in 10 years Gore???

Yes, it would be entertaining. That is why Gore will not debate anyone

Opps, I was wrong
Artic ice gone in 5 years!

Even the man that provided the numbers said yesterday he did not know how the algore came to that conclusion

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,070]

>You can't seriously be implying that New York and Boston has anything
>remotely close to the arctic weather the Canadian prairies experiences?

Nor can you seriously be implying that Canadian prairies have anything like the winter traffic and parking problems that Boston does. Two very different environments, both made more difficult by winter.

>BTW ... what does Al Gore know about hockey sticks?

Don't know; I've never played hockey with him.

>Personally I would strip Barack of his prize since (knock on wood) he's not
>nearly as bad on the propaganda front as Gore with the "all the ice on the two
>poles will be gone in the next five years if we don't give him a blank Cap and
>Trade check" with his religious climategate.

It's unfortunate that you can't discuss your viewpoint without lying. It makes the rest of your post suspect.

[billvon 3,070]

>With a manual transmission, the moment you sense that you are losing grip
>you can immediately engage the clutch (usually within 1/4 to 1/2 a second)
>and power to the wheels is neutralized.

Right. And with a four wheel drive hybrid with traction control, power to the wheels is reduced much faster than that (milliseconds.)

>It has nothing to do with power splitting or gear ratios and everything to do
>with regaining control after possibly losing control of the car.

Again, correct. Wouldn't you rather be in a car that can keep the wheels turning at the same speed the car is moving?

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Nor can you seriously be implying that Canadian prairies have anything like the winter traffic and parking problems that Boston does. Two very different environments, both made more difficult by winter.

I know it is hard for you to accept this, but we do have modern cities up here in Canada. We are not a 3rd world country. If Americans would only look beyond their borders, they would see that there are parts of this world that are as every bit advanced as the almighty USA is. Now it is true these modern cities on the Canadian prairies are not as large as a city like Boston so I am sure a commute on a snowy wintery day is Boston is challenging. I have driven in Toronto and it sucks. But it comes down to seat time. How often have you ever driven a car in -30C conditions where tires do NOT grip very well, where nothing you put down on the road (salt or anything else) works and you are pretty much just driving on a skating rink. I am lucky where I live, in that we occasionally get warm chinook winds coming off of our mountains (and these chinook winds have occurred for centuries, they have nothing to do with climate change). But there are parts of western Canada that are thrust into a deep freeze from October through May. You really need to actually spend time up here to understand what it is like to live in a climate that often produces the same temperatures experienced in the arctic. If we do not burn fuels to keep ourselves warm, we will die. But we know you feel that we should be charged excessive "Cap and Trade" taxation just to keep ourselves alive up here. After all people who burn carbon need to be severely punished in your new world order?

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It's unfortunate that you can't discuss your viewpoint without lying. It makes the rest of your post suspect.

We know that you view Al Gore as a God, we know you view everything the IPCC says as gospel. In fact I would not be surprised if you were in on the selective science being reported by the IPCC climategate. But Al Gore's movie was nothing more than a Science Fiction Horror Flick. The earth's climate is constantly changing from hot to cold, from cold to hot from century to century. It was much warmer than it is now in the past well before the human industrial revolution started and Al Gore's hockey stick analogy was an outright lie thanks to the selective science of the politically motivated IPCC. No matter what Al Gore says, he can NOT control Mother Nature. Al Gore is NOT God ... Al Gore is a liar. Cap and Trade is a scam and will NOT have any effect on Mother Nature. Mother Nature always has and always will be more powerful than humans. You woiuld think a scientist would understand this. But I guess politics always trumps science.

Climate Change is the new religion and you my friend are on the front lines preaching your gospel.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[mnealtx 0]

[repl]It's unfortunate that you can't discuss your viewpoint without lying. It makes the rest of your post suspect.