muff528 3 #26 December 20, 2009 Quote Not to harp on the better quility, but if any of you folks under 30 , smoked the shit we did in the 60's and 70's, You'd laugh that we even wasted money on it... Yeah, but if I recall correctly, it wasn't all that much money. I remember you got a lot for a "nickel" and vaguely remember $65/lb. In Phoenix, you could get in a lot of trouble for five bucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #27 December 20, 2009 What people don't think about, are the number of people that touch that marijuana before it is broke down to that ounce or less that you have in your pocket. Estimates put the amount of marijuana grown in country (the US) is only about 5% of the total marijuana in the country. So the marijuana is crossing the boarder is typically coming from Canada or Mexico. When it is coming from Mexico, its coming from the Cartels. When its coming from Canada, sometimes its still the Mexican Cartels, but then its sometimes other sources. The violence that is occurring in Mexico from the Cartels is staggering. That violence has spilled over into border states. Most people try to ignore these things. They also tend to ignore it, thinking that it is only a Mexico problem. Coming from Canada, you get another set of gang problems and violence. The "biker wars" that have been going on with the Bandidos and other 1%'er clubs have been for controlling territory and the drug trade. So for everyone that believes that marijuana is a harmless drug, please look outside of your immediate bubble.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #28 December 20, 2009 Quote Quote Not to harp on the better quility, but if any of you folks under 30 , smoked the shit we did in the 60's and 70's, You'd laugh that we even wasted money on it... Yeah, but if I recall correctly, it wasn't all that much money. I remember you got a lot for a "nickel" and vaguely remember $65/lb. In Phoenix, you could get in a lot of trouble for five bucks. true, you;d get a full four finger bag for 20 bucks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #29 December 20, 2009 If weed is the sole cause of all that violence, then simply legalize it and that all goes away, does it not? The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #30 December 20, 2009 Quote Why, do all pot smokers talk like 'Chong' ?Chuck They don't." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #31 December 20, 2009 If you think that simply legalizing the drug would instantly fix the violence and crime, then you really don't understand the dynamics involved. There's a huge market of illegal cigarettes out there. Same with pain killers and other legal items. There is still violence, there is still significant crime.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #32 December 20, 2009 Quote Seriously, have you ever gone over the speed limit, removed the tag off the mattress, . . . It is not against the law to remove the tags from your mattress. Just thought I'd point that out in case any matress tag removers were about to take flight for fear of being prosecuted." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #33 December 20, 2009 QuoteWhat people don't think about, are the number of people that touch that marijuana before it is broke down to that ounce or less that you have in your pocket. Estimates put the amount of marijuana grown in country (the US) is only about 5% of the total marijuana in the country. So the marijuana is crossing the boarder is typically coming from Canada or Mexico. When it is coming from Mexico, its coming from the Cartels. When its coming from Canada, sometimes its still the Mexican Cartels, but then its sometimes other sources. The violence that is occurring in Mexico from the Cartels is staggering. That violence has spilled over into border states. Most people try to ignore these things. They also tend to ignore it, thinking that it is only a Mexico problem. Coming from Canada, you get another set of gang problems and violence. The "biker wars" that have been going on with the Bandidos and other 1%'er clubs have been for controlling territory and the drug trade. So for everyone that believes that marijuana is a harmless drug, please look outside of your immediate bubble. LOL, you can't honestly eblieve the biker wars are over drugs? watching too much SOA? I've been around One percenters most my life, and they have to search and hunt for drugs, just like everyone else, so they Obviously are not controling the market! Some members may dabble in the market for easy monkey, it is NOT a club wide thing! The "wars" are over patches,and the right to claim areas...Just Macho BS! (Big reason I never joined) being a free person, to me, Is being an Outlaw! Not following club rules! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #34 December 20, 2009 QuoteIf you think that simply legalizing the drug would instantly fix the violence and crime, then you really don't understand the dynamics involved. There's a huge market of illegal cigarettes out there. Same with pain killers and other legal items. There is still violence, there is still significant crime. Very true, I couldn't agree more with you on that point....There will alwys be an illegal market, no matter how legal they make it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #35 December 20, 2009 QuotePot has gotten so much better than it was when I was young, it isn't the same drug anymore, I'll leave it for the ones that can handle it, last time I smoked I puked my guts up for an hour....the mellow high is gone.... You need to smoke much less. The potentcy of many modern strains is at least 4 to 5 times that of the standard stuff available back say, in the early 70's." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #36 December 20, 2009 Quote Quote Pot has gotten so much better than it was when I was young, it isn't the same drug anymore, I'll leave it for the ones that can handle it, last time I smoked I puked my guts up for an hour....the mellow high is gone.... You need to smoke much less. The potentcy of many modern strains is at least 4 to 5 times that of the standard stuff available back say, in the early 70's. it was only two hits of shake... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #37 December 20, 2009 High grade pot is much the sam as I feel abotu Liquor, I have figured out over the years, I can not drink liquor, I become a very violent person, so I stick to beer, Pot is too strong for me, so I get to save money there too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #38 December 20, 2009 SOA is a fun show, but its not real life. So you're saying that clubs never run drugs, never run guns and never ran prostitutes? The large scale investigations and arrests over the last 30 years for those things by the DEA and ATF would say otherwise.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #39 December 20, 2009 QuoteNot to harp on the better quility, but if any of you folks under 30 , smoked the shit we did in the 60's and 70's, You'd laugh that we even wasted money on it... Financially, rough calculations show it to be pretty close to a wash (measuring from a consumer buying power perspective). It's simply a matter of doseage. The reason people rolled big doobies back then was because you needed a monster spliff to get half a dozen people high. You smoke that much North Slope Sao Paulo Trip Weed and you absolutely are going nighty-night lickety-split." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #40 December 20, 2009 Quote SOA is a fun show, but its not real life. So you're saying that clubs never run drugs, never run guns and never ran prostitutes? The large scale investigations and arrests over the last 30 years for those things by the DEA and ATF would say otherwise. "Members" Do...Not clubs as a Whole...(After all, they are outlaws) many of them will break the law! So far only Mongols and Pagans have been nailed by RICO....and they were simply looking for lighter sentences! Cops tend to lump folks together , I can only speak for the 1 Percenters I know and am around , and they are the most well known club in the world....90 percent of them are hard working men, many own businesses....they have no need to make illegal money! As for that othr 10 percent, NO WAY in HELL, I'd ever poke my nose into whatever thye want to do for money, I liek my nose just were it is...still on my face! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #41 December 20, 2009 QuoteIf you think that simply legalizing the drug would instantly fix the violence and crime, then you really don't understand the dynamics involved. There's a huge market of illegal cigarettes out there. Same with pain killers and other legal items. There is still violence, there is still significant crime. I know all that Dave, I'm just saying that "just grass" ain't the sole cause of all that violence you mentioned and I further know that legalizing "just grass" won't solve all the other problems you brought up that this thread isn't about. The whole thing is just about tax money the government isn't getting than the simulated concern over people's welfare.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #42 December 20, 2009 We may have to rename this forum to "The Bong Fire"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #43 December 20, 2009 Cops tend to lump groups together that go together, due to intelligence gathered, crimes committed and the people involved. Otherwise it is simply profiling, which contrary to what you may think, is not tolerated. So you're saying that all the dead bodies, the violence and such in Canada is only due to the clubs trying to have a chapter there? The RCMP believes its due to the large narcotics trade in Canada, bringing it into the US.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #44 December 20, 2009 QuoteThe whole thing is just about tax money the government isn't getting than the simulated concern over people's welfare. I don't think you understand the level of violence involved here. Not just on the Mexico side. Its bad enough that the Border Patrol SRT is having to conduct personal protection details on officer's families after making a big bust. That's on the US side. Large scale hits have occurred on both sides of the border...basically its a huge problem. My point in bringing this up is to help to get people to think about things outside of their immediate bubble. I don't think that 99% of marijuana users think about the large scale of where that little bit of personal use came from. What was involved, the costs in money, people and property. The whole scope of the situation. Whats the solution? Well, there isn't a simple one. Each and every solution that I can think of has serious consequences.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #45 December 20, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Pot has gotten so much better than it was when I was young, it isn't the same drug anymore, I'll leave it for the ones that can handle it, last time I smoked I puked my guts up for an hour....the mellow high is gone.... You need to smoke much less. The potentcy of many modern strains is at least 4 to 5 times that of the standard stuff available back say, in the early 70's. it was only two hits of shake... The shake at the bottom can be the strongest part of a bag, especially after it has been handled a bunch. That yellow dust-like stuff is as pure as it gets without going all the way to chemically refining. And 2 hits is a lot if the pot is good and a person's tolerance is low. I'm not advocating anybody in particular smoke it. Like most everything else, it's not for everyone." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #46 December 20, 2009 QuoteCops tend to lump groups together that go together, due to intelligence gathered, crimes committed and the people involved. Otherwise it is simply profiling, which contrary to what you may think, is not tolerated. So you're saying that all the dead bodies, the violence and such in Canada is only due to the clubs trying to have a chapter there? The RCMP believes its due to the large narcotics trade in Canada, bringing it into the US. The dead bodies, were a power hungry Moron, that was hoping to become the next outlaw super hero (I followed that case closely, Now THAT is going to be a movie of the week! (The Bandito case) The trouble Red and White has gotten into up there, looks be the actions of individuals! BUT, once again, I like my nose where it is, I don't ever ask questions,..EVER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #47 December 20, 2009 I used to but don't anymore for a variety of reasons. I didn't make it pulic when I did because: 1 - It's illegal. 2 - You never know who is going to get all judgemental about it. See post #3. And I personally think the "It funds criminal gangs" rationale is the best argument for legalization. Look at Prohibition (alcohol) here in the US back in the 1920's. Very similar situation. Those who wanted it could get it, and the procurement of it (both manufaturing and smuggling) gave rise to the modern Mafia. There were criminal gangs before Prohibition, but they didn't have the opportunities to make incredible amounts of money that Prohibition offered. Take away the exclusivity for the criminal gangs by allowing anyone to grow, transport and sell it (under controls and taxes similar to alcohol or tobacco) and the competition will drive profits below (and workloads above) what the gangs are willing to accept. They are smuggling cigarettes because of the extreme differences in prices due to different taxes. If you take away the "criminal premium" on pot, you could add a pretty hefty tax, and still have prices below the current "street" price. That would reduce the profits (for the businesses, not the government) to below what the gangs would be willing to work for."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #48 December 20, 2009 Quote Quote Why, do all pot smokers talk like 'Chong' ?Chuck It makes you really intelligent!! Uuuhh... yeah, Man! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #49 December 20, 2009 QuoteIf you think that simply legalizing the drug would instantly fix the violence and crime, then you really don't understand the dynamics involved. There's a huge market of illegal cigarettes out there. Same with pain killers and other legal items. There is still violence, there is still significant crime. And if some of us stops smoking pot you think the crime and violence will stop? Everyone will never stop smoking pot, cigarettes, using pain killers.. Wake up.."Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #50 December 20, 2009 QuoteWhats the solution? Well, there isn't a simple one. Each and every solution that I can think of has serious consequences. Let the users grow it in their own backyards. It's ridiculous that there is a law against it in the first place. It's a fucking plant. How can people not see the absurdity of forbidding a certain plant to perform photosynthesis within our borders?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
