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mnealtx 0
QuoteYeah, it was Obsession by Animotion (what was that the early '80s?), but it was set to pictures of Alan Rickman (Snape from the Harry Potter movies) and well, I doubt the message you were trying to send.
It's probably a mistake to blindly link stuff without watching it first.
It's probably a mistake to blindly link stuff without watching it first.Well, at least it was the right song...
QuoteI don't have an obsession with Palin.
HOW many threads have you started about her since the election?
QuoteShe's just incredibly stupid and now has been called the biggest liar of 2009 by PolitiFact, which as you know, has been used by various members on both sides to make various points.
Never heard of it before your linking.
Mike
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QuoteHOW many threads have you started about her since the election?
Counting this one? Looks like three in the last year.
Yeah, that is quite the obsession.
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteHOW many threads have you started about her since the election?
Counting this one? Looks like three in the last year.
Yeah, that is quite the obsession.
Certainly seemed like a lot more, but I may be remembering postings in other threads about her and thought you started the thread - my apologies.
Mike
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jgoose71 0
QuoteYeah, it was Obsession by Animotion (what was that the early '80s?), but it was set to pictures of Alan Rickman (Snape from the Harry Potter movies) and well, I doubt the message you were trying to send.
I don't have an obsession with Palin. She's just incredibly stupid and now has been called the biggest liar of 2009 by PolitiFact, which as you know, has been used by various members on both sides to make various points.
It's amazing really, I was able to do the job that Politifact missed with a 2 second google search.
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"While Emanuel does not use the term "death panel," Palin put that term in quotation marks to signify the concept of medical decisions based on the perceived societal worth of an individual, not literally a "death panel." And in so doing, Palin was true to Dr. Emanuel's concept of a system which..."
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html
You can read the rest of the story if you want. Just follow the link.
Despite Obama's openness and government accountability policies, nobody knows if "Death Panels" are in the current health plan (has anyone been following CSPAN?), but if it's not, we can thank Sarah Palin.
I think we can attribute level and quality of fact checking to who is being "Checked."
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billvon 3,058
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>nobody knows if "Death Panels" are in the current health plan
No one knows if mandatory conversion of the elderly into Soylent Green is in there, either. But most people are not insane, and thus don't get all worked up protesting the Soylent Green issue.
No one knows if mandatory conversion of the elderly into Soylent Green is in there, either. But most people are not insane, and thus don't get all worked up protesting the Soylent Green issue.
jgoose71 0
Quote>nobody knows if "Death Panels" are in the current health plan
No one knows if mandatory conversion of the elderly into Soylent Green is in there, either. But most people are not insane, and thus don't get all worked up protesting the Soylent Green issue.
First off, your Soylent green reference Rocks!!!!!
But Soylent green was not discussed in any of the previous health plans. Dr. Emanuell did discuss the the merits of paying out health care based on age and quality of life as a cost savings measure.
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billvon 3,058
> Dr. Emanuell did discuss the the merits of paying out health care
> based on age and quality of life as a cost savings measure.
No, he discussed whether or not it made sense to pay for doctors to give end-of-life counseling to elderly patients. (They do that now.) He made no mention of rationing care; indeed, his suggestion involved INCREASING care for the elderly by adding funding.
When asked about the "death board" thing he replied that "there’s no basis for that claim either in any of my writings or the legislation. It has no grounds in reality. It’s surreal and Orwellian, the idea that this legislation or my writings suggest that her son Trig shouldn’t get health care."
Like I said, death boards might get included, as might the conversion of the elderly to Soylent Green or mandatory abortions for all Christians. But it's pretty unlikely and has no basis in reality. Which, of course, is why Palin won that award.
> based on age and quality of life as a cost savings measure.
No, he discussed whether or not it made sense to pay for doctors to give end-of-life counseling to elderly patients. (They do that now.) He made no mention of rationing care; indeed, his suggestion involved INCREASING care for the elderly by adding funding.
When asked about the "death board" thing he replied that "there’s no basis for that claim either in any of my writings or the legislation. It has no grounds in reality. It’s surreal and Orwellian, the idea that this legislation or my writings suggest that her son Trig shouldn’t get health care."
Like I said, death boards might get included, as might the conversion of the elderly to Soylent Green or mandatory abortions for all Christians. But it's pretty unlikely and has no basis in reality. Which, of course, is why Palin won that award.
jgoose71 0
Quote> Dr. Emanuell did discuss the the merits of paying out health care
> based on age and quality of life as a cost savings measure.
No, he discussed whether or not it made sense to pay for doctors to give end-of-life counseling to elderly patients. (They do that now.) He made no mention of rationing care; indeed, his suggestion involved INCREASING care for the elderly by adding funding.
When asked about the "death board" thing he replied that "there’s no basis for that claim either in any of my writings or the legislation. It has no grounds in reality. It’s surreal and Orwellian, the idea that this legislation or my writings suggest that her son Trig shouldn’t get health care."
Like I said, death boards might get included, as might the conversion of the elderly to Soylent Green or mandatory abortions for all Christians. But it's pretty unlikely and has no basis in reality. Which, of course, is why Palin won that award.
So this letter never happened? Here is a piece:
QuoteTo identify and achieve additional savings, I am also open to your ideas about giving special consideration to the recommendations of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), a commission created by a Republican Congress. Under this approach, MedPAC's recommendations on cost reductions would be adopted unless opposed by a joint resolution of the Congress. This is similar to a process that has been used effectively by a commission charged with closing military bases, and could be a valuable tool to help achieve health care reform in a fiscally responsible way.
[urlhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Letter-from-President-Obama-to-Chairmen-Edward-M-Kennedy-and-Max-Baucus/[/url]
or Dr. Emanuel didn't publish this: http://econopundit.com/ezekiel_emmauel.pdf
I guess it's all my imagination.
No doubt this stuff didn't make it into the health bill, but there is a reason why. Some called attention to it. If I was a democrat, I would try to deny the above stuff also.
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billvon 3,058
>So this letter never happened? Here is a piece:
?? What does that letter have to do with "death boards" or "paying out health care based on age?"
>or Dr. Emanuel didn't publish this . . . .
Of course he did - and it has to do with apportioning scarce resources, like organs and vaccines. That's an issue many doctors face, and has nothing to do with "not paying out health care based on age."
Let's ask you the same question. You have a liver become available. There are three candidates for it:
-An 18 year old girl with no other diseases
-A 35 year old alcoholic with advanced cirrhosis
-A 70 year old man with metastatic bone cancer
They will all certainly die without this transplant. Which one would you give the liver to?
?? What does that letter have to do with "death boards" or "paying out health care based on age?"
>or Dr. Emanuel didn't publish this . . . .
Of course he did - and it has to do with apportioning scarce resources, like organs and vaccines. That's an issue many doctors face, and has nothing to do with "not paying out health care based on age."
Let's ask you the same question. You have a liver become available. There are three candidates for it:
-An 18 year old girl with no other diseases
-A 35 year old alcoholic with advanced cirrhosis
-A 70 year old man with metastatic bone cancer
They will all certainly die without this transplant. Which one would you give the liver to?
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Quote-A 35 year old alcoholic with advanced cirrhosis
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jgoose71 0
Quote>So this letter never happened? Here is a piece:
?? What does that letter have to do with "death boards" or "paying out health care based on age?"
>or Dr. Emanuel didn't publish this . . . .
Of course he did - and it has to do with apportioning scarce resources, like organs and vaccines. That's an issue many doctors face, and has nothing to do with "not paying out health care based on age."
Let's ask you the same question. You have a liver become available. There are three candidates for it:
-An 18 year old girl with no other diseases
-A 35 year old alcoholic with advanced cirrhosis
-A 70 year old man with metastatic bone cancer
They will all certainly die without this transplant. Which one would you give the liver to?
So what you are saying is a board of government or government appointed officials would convene to choose who lives and who dies?
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rehmwa 2
Mmmmmm, soylent and green
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billvon 3,058
>So what you are saying is a board of government or government
>appointed officials would convene to choose who lives and who dies?
Nope. (At least, no more so than Perris has a "death director" who decides who lives and who dies there.)
>appointed officials would convene to choose who lives and who dies?
Nope. (At least, no more so than Perris has a "death director" who decides who lives and who dies there.)
jgoose71 0
Quote>So what you are saying is a board of government or government
>appointed officials would convene to choose who lives and who dies?
Nope. (At least, no more so than Perris has a "death director" who decides who lives and who dies there.)
Nice dodge. In a government ran health care plan, who is going to decide who gets the organ in your above scenario?
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QuoteQuote>So what you are saying is a board of government or government
>appointed officials would convene to choose who lives and who dies?
Nope. (At least, no more so than Perris has a "death director" who decides who lives and who dies there.)
Nice dodge. In a government ran health care plan, who is going to decide who gets the organ in your above scenario?
Who does it in a privately run health care plan?
billvon 3,058
>Nice dodge.
An answer you do not like is not a dodge. It's just an answer you don't like. (In this case, the answer you don't like is "no.")
>In a government ran health care plan, who is going to decide who
>gets the organ in your above scenario?
Same entity that does so now - the United Network for Organ Sharing. (Of course, who are you going to scare with a name like that?)
An answer you do not like is not a dodge. It's just an answer you don't like. (In this case, the answer you don't like is "no.")
>In a government ran health care plan, who is going to decide who
>gets the organ in your above scenario?
Same entity that does so now - the United Network for Organ Sharing. (Of course, who are you going to scare with a name like that?)
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuote>So what you are saying is a board of government or government
>appointed officials would convene to choose who lives and who dies?
Nope. (At least, no more so than Perris has a "death director" who decides who lives and who dies there.)
Nice dodge. In a government ran health care plan, who is going to decide who gets the organ in your above scenario?
Who does it in a privately run health care plan?
Link
QuoteUnder federal law, all U.S. transplant centers and organ procurement organizations must be members of the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) to receive any funds through Medicare. Other members of the OPTN include independent histocompatibility laboratories involved in organ transplantation; relevant medical, scientific, and professional organizations; relevant voluntary health and patient advocacy organizations; and members of the general public with a particular interest in donation and/or transplantation.
The United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS), based in Richmond, Virginia, administers the OPTN under contract with the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
So...a bit of both. Private and gov't are both involved.
Mike
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jakee 1,554
QuoteIt's amazing really, I was able to do the job that Politifact missed with a 2 second google search.
You realise you're linking to a right wing, anti-gov't healthcare opinion piece as proof that right wing, anti-gov't healthcare commentators are correct, right?
QuoteDespite Obama's openness and government accountability policies, nobody knows if "Death Panels" are in the current health plan (has anyone been following CSPAN?), but if it's not, we can thank Sarah Palin.
Bloody brilliant, you can't beat a win-win situation like that. If Death Panels are in the legislation, Sarah Palin warned you first! If Death Panels aren't in the legislation, it's only because those sneaky democrats erased them when they realised Sarah Palin was on to their evil plan! Truly, she is our protector.
(I haven't seen a piece of reasoning that good since someone said the lack of peer reviewed papers in support of creationism was in itself evidence for creationism, since it obviously meant there was a big academic plot to cover up the truth. Both statements really are mind-bending works of genius.)
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Chuck
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