kelpdiver 2 #51 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteI used to be strongly opposed to any sort of gun control, but some of the pro-gun posts I've read have caused me to question that position. Which shocks me some.... You of all people I would think would support the right of the individual to choose what they want. I always thought you were for more individual freedom, not less. triumph of elitism over reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #52 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI used to be strongly opposed to any sort of gun control, but some of the pro-gun posts I've read have caused me to question that position. Which shocks me some.... You of all people I would think would support the right of the individual to choose what they want. I always thought you were for more individual freedom, not less. triumph of elitism over reason. Being shot dead by a looney with a gun is the ultimate loss of freedom.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #53 December 31, 2009 Quote Being shot dead by a looney with a gun is the ultimate loss of freedom. The ultimate loss would be being shot by a looney ex while waiting 10 days to obtain your own protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #54 December 31, 2009 There is a general reduction of violent crime nationwide this year.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #55 December 31, 2009 QuoteBeing shot dead by a looney with a gun is the ultimate loss of freedom. Is it any better to be stabbed to death? Or beaten to death with a bat? Are these LESS of a loss of freedom? Getting blown up by some guy that say's he is "building rockets" is an ultimate loss of freedom as well. Having some guy fly his plane into a building is an ultimate loss of freedom as well.... Yet you bitch about ANY intrusion onto these rights. Funny, huh?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #56 December 31, 2009 Quotehttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/man-unloads-58-guns-at-compton-weapons-exchange-event.html According to the local police, fewer crimes are committed with fewer guns on the streets. Hmmm. Sorry Quade, I'm calling BULLSHIT on the mystery man who turned in 58 weapons. Can you say "Ringer"?“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #57 January 1, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI used to be strongly opposed to any sort of gun control, but some of the pro-gun posts I've read have caused me to question that position. Which shocks me some.... You of all people I would think would support the right of the individual to choose what they want. I always thought you were for more individual freedom, not less. triumph of elitism over reason. Yeah, we get it. Somehow I managed to hurt your feelings, so, now, you feel the need to subtly (or not so subtly) throw insults my way at every opportunity. It's a shame that someone with your intelligence feels the need to attack the player instead of playing the ball.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #58 January 2, 2010 Quote Ah, the "Virginia guns cause DC crime" bullshit again - how about if you PROVE that, first? Well, if there are no gun stores in DC, where are all those guns used in crimes come from?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #59 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteAre you now claiming that no gun bought legally in VA ever ended up in DC? No GUN ever committed a Crime no matter where it came from. Cities that have banned guns have a higher violent crime rate than those that have not banned guns. True? Really? Are you sure?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #60 January 2, 2010 QuoteThe ultimate loss would be being shot by a looney ex while waiting 10 days to obtain your own protection. Wouldn't it be good then if loony ex simply cannot get a gun to shot you without going to black market dealer (and being a loony is likely to be ripped off or just arrested)?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #61 January 2, 2010 QuoteYou of all people I would think would support the right of the individual to choose what they want. I always thought you were for more individual freedom, not less. No, I do not support the right of yet another "law abiding individual" to shot me or my children because he was fired from his job, broke with his girlfriend or pissed off on his teachers and peers - even if that is what they really want.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote Ah, the "Virginia guns cause DC crime" bullshit again - how about if you PROVE that, first? Well, if there are no gun stores in DC, where are all those guns used in crimes come from? Since a felony record precludes the legal purchase of a gun, not Virginia gun stores (or Maryland). Next silly question?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe ultimate loss would be being shot by a looney ex while waiting 10 days to obtain your own protection. Wouldn't it be good then if loony ex simply cannot get a gun to shot you without going to black market dealer (and being a loony is likely to be ripped off or just arrested)? Yuri Orlov doesn't hang out in the suburbs. re: ripped off or arrested - provide data to support your claim, please.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #64 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteYou of all people I would think would support the right of the individual to choose what they want. I always thought you were for more individual freedom, not less. No, I do not support the right of yet another "law abiding individual" to shot me or my children because he was fired from his job, broke with his girlfriend or pissed off on his teachers and peers - even if that is what they really want. So, I guess stabbing, clubbing, or just running you and yours over with a car is A-OK, then?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #65 January 2, 2010 Quote Is it any better to be stabbed to death? Or beaten to death with a bat? Are these LESS of a loss of freedom? Yes, because it is extremely hard for a single person going crazy to kill twelve people with a bat, or stab them to death - makes it easier to contain a specific individual once he gets crazy. As recent example, I'm pretty sure L. Mixon wouldn't be able to kill four police officers in Oakland with a knife or baseball bat. Quote Getting blown up by some guy that say's he is "building rockets" is an ultimate loss of freedom as well. Having some guy fly his plane into a building is an ultimate loss of freedom as well.... Yet you bitch about ANY intrusion onto these rights. Oh no, those things already led to restriction of your rights. Have you tried to bring a full-size scissors in a plane recently?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #66 January 2, 2010 QuoteSince a felony record precludes the legal purchase of a gun, not Virginia gun stores (or Maryland). You only covered one case. What about purchases made by those to-be felons who do not have a record yet? What about straw purchases? Your point is kinda silly.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #67 January 2, 2010 Quote So, I guess stabbing, clubbing, or just running you and yours over with a car is A-OK, then? What is your point?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crewkeith 0 #68 January 2, 2010 wow does anyone on here even carry a gun on a daily basis? i do. i see things a lot different than most i guess. people hope that some law abiding citizen comes to their rescue when that loony is clubbing them to death or stabbing them. thats when all the anti gun assholes change their mind. we need stickers that separate anti gun nuts from the gun nuts. see who becomes the criminals prey then. who was it that said "we can not invade america, there will be a gun behind every blade of grass" .The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #69 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteSince a felony record precludes the legal purchase of a gun, not Virginia gun stores (or Maryland). You only covered one case. What about purchases made by those to-be felons who do not have a record yet? What about straw purchases? Your point is kinda silly. So is yours - but hey, when you develop that future crime scanner, let me know, I'd like to buy some stock.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #70 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote So, I guess stabbing, clubbing, or just running you and yours over with a car is A-OK, then? What is your point? If you can't figure it out, then you probably don't need to be posting in these type of threads.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #71 January 2, 2010 Quotewow does anyone on here even carry a gun on a daily basis? i do. i see things a lot different than most i guess. people hope that some law abiding citizen comes to their rescue when that loony is clubbing them to death or stabbing them. thats when all the anti gun assholes change their mind. we need stickers that separate anti gun nuts from the gun nuts. Florida did something like that having license plates which identified rental cars. After Florida passed its shall-issue concealed carry law in 1987 crime went down. A murder rate 36% above the national average became 4% below by 1991. Criminals switched from violent crimes to crimes against property, except the ones who targeted people in rental cars who were presumably non-residents without concealed carry permits. Florida responded by getting rid of the special license plates and making it illegal for rental companies to put their logos on rentals and tourists were safe like the citizens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #72 January 2, 2010 Quote wow does anyone on here even carry a gun on a daily basis? i do. i see things a lot different than most i guess. people hope that some law abiding citizen comes to their rescue when that loony is clubbing them to death or stabbing them. So how many cases can you refer to when some "law abiding citizen" with a gun, who was not a cop, came to rescue someone being clubbed or stabbed by a loony? Compare it with just the number of murders, you'll get probability. Quote thats when all the anti gun assholes change their mind. Looking through the history of massacres during last ten years I can say that such probability seems to be no more than winning a jackpot in lottery - it is possible, but it is not something a reasonable person can count upon.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #73 January 2, 2010 QuoteSo is yours - but hey, when you develop that future crime scanner, let me know, I'd like to buy some stock. No, my is not. Despite the larger number of criminals in Russia, there are only few crimes with guns, most of them being professional killers - which, of course, is much less concern for most of people. And the number of gun crimes increased in 1990s when the guns became more available (due to situation with Chechnya), and decreased dramatically in 2000s after some kind of order was established, and getting a gun out of Chechnya became quite difficult again.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #74 January 2, 2010 Quote If you can't figure it out, then you probably don't need to be posting in these type of threads. In past you have been caught multiple times in situations when you said something which was discovered to be false, and then played "this is not what I meant" game, refusing at the same time to explain what you meant. No, thanks. Either you explain what you mean by your quite out of context post, or talk to yourself.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #75 January 2, 2010 QuoteSo is yours - but hey, when you develop that future crime scanner, let me know, I'd like to buy some stock. *sigh* I still remember those old times when people could just honestly admit they screwed up with their point. Even Republicans (somehow this probably related to "personal responsibility"). Not anymore, as I understand.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
