Bob Barker helps stop whaling

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Japanese kill whales. Americans kill whales.

Your fruit is without seed.

According to the article you linked, the Innuits took 5 whales since 91. According to Wiki (I know but I'm too busy to do more than a speed search, the Japanese "Research" fleet took 11,389 whales from 1988-2008. That is not the same. I'm pro commercial fishing, but I wonder if at that rate the only thing the "researchers" are going to find out is that there's no more fucking whales.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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According to the article you linked, the Innuits took 5 whales since 91. According to Wiki (I know but I'm too busy to do more than a speed search, the Japanese "Research" fleet took 11,389 whales from 1988-2008. That is not the same.

Mark Sanford had a long-term extramarital affair with a Brazilian women. Bill Clinton got a blow-job in the oval office. Obviously, they aren't the same

If you put political pressure on a country to change a habit, you damn well better not be doing that same thing! Whaling is just as much of a cultural experience for the Japanese as it is for the Inuits, even if the scale is greater.

And for the record, I think it should all be outlawed. But I think Americans shouldn't be so hypocritical about it.

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Back in the late 90's the Sea Shepherds conducted a campaign against the Makah tribe in Washington when they attempted to resume whaling. They are equal opportunity in that regard.

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>Some cultures still need it to survive to this day. By your logic we
>should still use hand tools to build our houses.

Well, if people were building their houses out of wood, and

1) there were only 1000 trees left anywhere in the world
2) there were plenty of alternatives available

then yes, it might make sense to require people who want wooden houses to build them with hand tools. Fortunately douglas firs are not in danger of going extinct.

>Like the Native Americans used the entire buffalo so does the
>Inuit peoples use almost all of the whale.

Not sure what the Inuit do, but the Inupiat don't. When we were up in Barrow a few years ago there were whale parts strewn all over the town rotting in the sun.

I cant speak for the peoples of the area you were in but the tribe in the documentary didn't really have many options. They had to pay a LOT of money for the food and supplies that had to be flown in. If it weren't for the whale they would need even more. Come to think of it I don't know how they got money in the first place. There is no one for them to sell stuff to. If they told us in the documentary I don't remember.

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>I cant speak for the peoples of the area you were in but the tribe in
>the documentary didn't really have many options.

I guess it depends on the area. The place we were in was an odd mix of rich and poor.

>Come to think of it I don't know how they got money in the first place.

Alaskans get a moderate amount of money from the state government due to oil and gas sales. Around $1000-$2000 a year if I recall. And there's trade with other towns; I spent a while talking to a Barrow native about their options in terms of getting from town to town. Barges are used in the summer, snowmobiles in the winter, small aircraft year round - and the larger towns (like Barrow) have airline service.

With transportation comes trade. Alaska Airlines operates a cargo 737 into Barrow, with the front 2/3 dedicated to cargo (fuel and food going up, fish coming back usually.)

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It really is nice that he provided this money for the ship, I hate the fact that the Japanese claim they are harvesting whales for research, yet they kill so many and in protected waters.

There is no research going on, they kill them for a greedy and indulgent populace that will pay for the meat.

I say sink the bastards.

If it were me I would mount some torpedo tubes and let the games begin!

A MK48 would really put a stop to it.

The planets must be aligned; we finally agree! Next stop: fur hunters/trappers.

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The Comedy Central programming people must be keeping an eye on what we talk about. That episode of South Park is on next. Creepy.

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they kill them for a greedy and indulgent populace that will pay for the meat.

Fortunately, Americans are not like that. We don't have factory farms or anything

Whales are cool, sentient beings. But it's wrong to abuse any animal, and what goes on in factory farms is abuse, to provide cheap food for a self-indulgent (and often overweight) populace of born herbivoires acting like omnivoires/carnivores.

Wendy P.

Fixed it.

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That is why I do not buy meat at the store.

I don't buy meat at all for 2 reasons:

- I was born, by species, a herivoire.

- I don't want an anumal to give its life so I can have a certain taste.

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I wonder if they are going to try to stop American whaling next? I.E. Inuit whaling.

I used to keep my 32' cabin cruiser at Neah Bay during all the crap when they killed a gray whale. It was parked at the head of the dock that my boat was moored on.

I think if it is a part of their culture to hunt whales.. so be it.. but respect your culture enough to do with with the means used in the times when that culture needed to hunt to survive.

Saying that.... I think they need to paddle the canoe out to the whaling grounds and not be towed there by a motor launch.

They also need to leave the Weatherby .460 rifle home.. and stick to the harpoons their culture used back before the arrival. After a few of the fuckers drown from the whales turning over their boats into the cold waters of the North Pacific.. the whale hunting will stop fairly fast.

All of that said... if people want to save the whales out there off the coast of Washington.. they just need to harpoon some of the obnoxious lazy fat little Makah whale hunters.

I remember that issue came up a while back, they wanted to keep killing whales as it was part of their culture, along with bingo and slot machines.

I worked with a guy 10 years ago, he was > 1/2 American Indian. He came to work with an American Eagle one day, dead and wanted to freeze it in teh freezer at work. I said that was a federal felony, he said no it isn't, I'm a Native American, I can do this legally.

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That is why I do not buy meat at the store.

I don't buy meat at all for 2 reasons:

- I was born, by species, a herivoire.

- I don't want an anumal to give its life so I can have a certain taste.

Really? You must have different dentition than all the rest of the human race, then.

Mike
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That is why I do not buy meat at the store.

I don't buy meat at all for 2 reasons:

- I was born, by species, a herivoire.

- I don't want an anumal to give its life so I can have a certain taste.

Can you explain the existence of canine teeth then?

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Humans evolved as omnivores, and our teeth reflect this history.

Source: http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/pregastric/humanpage.html

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That is why I do not buy meat at the store.

I don't buy meat at all for 2 reasons:

- I was born, by species, a herivoire.

- I don't want an anumal to give its life so I can have a certain taste.

Really? You must have different dentition than all the rest of the human race, then.

ZING!! *High five*

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Mark Sanford had a long-term extramarital affair with a Brazilian women. Bill Clinton got a blow-job in the oval office. Obviously, they aren't the same

Other than a cheap Monica joke, what does this have to do with whales?

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even if the scale is greater.

The scale is the issue-cut the Japanese fleet to less than 10 a year and it becomes a sustainable harvest.

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And for the record, I think it should all be outlawed.

And your entire viewpoint hinges on that bias

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But I think Americans shouldn't be so hypocritical about it.

If you see this position as hypocrisy then you're just looking for it and will find something that fits your definition no matter what. No help for ya.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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If you see this position as hypocrisy then you're just looking for it and will find something that fits your definition no matter what. No help for ya.

If Americans kill whales and tell Japanese not to kill whales, I do see that as hypocritical. If you don't, I really don't want your kind of help.

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I like Bob Barker and I even has a lot of respect for Paul Watson, but where I come from, neither of them are well respected because we hunt seals every year in Newfoundland.

Paul Watson was voted out of Greenpeace back in the 70's because he was 'too radical' in a nutshell.

But he also disclosed that Greenpeace basically ran the seal hunt campaign every year because it was so popular and such a money maker - that this is how they raised money for the whaling campaign each year. Greenpeace was very much hurt in public opinion as they just turned out to be 'big business'

But I got a lot of respect for a man to sticks to his principles, and Paul Watson appears to have over the years, and Bob Barker is continuously building and supporting his principles unwavered for decades now.

Good for them

But we are all hypocrites. I do not care about a seal hunt since we slaughter cows pigs and chickens to eat every day, but I want to see whaling stopped completely.

I hunt, but I do not want to see lions, rhinos, tigers, or elephants hunted ever again.

mmmmm, rib-eye steak - medium rare, on the BBQ, yummy.

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don't buy meat at all for 2 reasons:

- I was born, by species, a herivoire.

- I don't want an anumal to give its life so I can have a certain taste.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

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If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

I guess if you can believe in an invisible dude in the sky, you can also believe a 2,000 year old book that says it's OK to kill animals.

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[millertimeunc 0]

Oh good lord, i can't stand it anymore. The word you're looking for is "T - H - E" It isn't difficult to spell. The definition is easy to find. Please, please, for the love of all things sacred and holy, please get this one word right, you're embarrassing yourself.

The best things in life are dangerous.