mnealtx 0 #76 January 15, 2010 QuoteHow about you rise to the challenge? How about you go look at your own damn threads?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #77 January 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo...how bout them slaves in Dubai? what the ones that I mentioned disturbed me? those ones? The ones i have read about bu have not seen? what is your point? I asked you how you could laud a country that is being built by slaves, and all you could do in response was talk about slavery in the US before the Civil War. Seems a bit hypocritical of you, part of the usual "it's only bad if the US does it" crap you've been spewing greatly of late. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #78 January 16, 2010 Quote I asked you how you could laud a country that is being built by slaves... ...Seems a bit hypocritical of you that s the pot calling the kettle black i don't even live in dubai and I simply said it was a beautiful place! Quote"The idea that in the year 2008 in the United States of America people are being indicted for slavery is almost beyond comprehension. Yet this indictment sheds a light on the kind of conditions tomato workers in Florida are forced to live in," Sanders said. "For a major company like Burger King not to pay that additional penny and raise workers' wages and improve their conditions is unconscionable." QuoteFigures from the State Department reveal that 17,500 people are trafficked into the US every year against their will or under false pretences, mainly to be used for sex or forced labour. Experts believe that, when cases of internal trafficking are added, the total number of victims could be up to five times larger. And increasing numbers of trafficked individuals are being transported thousands of miles from America's coasts and into heartland states such as Ohio and Michigan. Quote"The problems are broader than we realised," said Ohio's attorney general, Richard Cordray. [url "http://www.powells.com/biblio?PID=28734&cgi=product&isbn=1400062098"> some reading material for ya QuoteMost Americans would be shocked to discover that slavery still exists in the United States. Yet most of us buy goods made by people who aren't paid for their labor-people who are trapped financially, and often physically. In Nobodies, award-winning journalist John Bowe exposes the outsourcing, corporate chicanery, immigration fraud, and sleights of hand that allow forced labor to continue in the United States while the rest of us notice nothing but the everyday low price at the checkout counter. Something to think about next time you go shopping. It is quite funny (peculiar) that your attemt to belittle me, turned into a relevnt topic relating to the origonal subject matter of this thread, isn't it?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #79 January 16, 2010 QuoteWow, your knowledge and acknowledgement of new zealand history astounds me. Most of it is due to recent research rather than former knowledge, but I think NZ is utopia for teh people as well as the place. QuoteYou are also right about the corporate greed propping up chinas strength. Yea and they wave the American flag as if they are US loyal, the drones eat it up. QuoteThe neo con right wingers in here are strong advocates for corporatons doing as they please and anti government regulation, but can't seem to put 2 and 2 together about the unemployment problems the USA is facing. Amazing isn't it? QuoteJust because the US government is corrupt, does not mean that government regulation is a bad Idea, it just means USA needs to grow a spine and make thier leaders accountable for thier actions. Yep, but teh gatekeepers are the same, so that never happens. QuoteIf my prime minister is in a car that is speeding, it is just as likely to get a speeding ticket than any other, just as much as if they buy a new home they will be askedwhere they got the money from. Moreover, many socialized counties charge the rich more than the poor for teh same infraction. Can't apologize enough for the idiotically insensitive remarks from any American to any Kiwis about their insignificance in WWII and their true importance with a sacrifice rate > twice that of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #80 January 16, 2010 Quote No, you won't accept it. If FDR had accepted America's desire to avoid the war, we could have continued to supply oil to Japan and it would have taken the entire South Pacific. Then there would have been no attack on Pearl, no entrance into the European conflict. Einstein, the Lend-Lease deal and the draft were underway before Pearl Harbor, so our preparation for our entrance into WWII (Euro theatre) was being prepared regardless of PH. And to not stop Germany would be idiotic. If Germany would have beat the USSR and all other resistance w/o us, the we would have Japan and Germany to contend with by ourselves - more brilliance from you as usual. Nothing like supplying the enemy with oil. That's as brilliant as having Arabic countries control our ports as your guy wanted to do. BTW, so you understand history at all, taking Guam was part of Japan's goal, which they did 3 days after PH. I think PH was just a misdirection so we couldn't respond to Guam so Japan could get dug in well. Quote If loss rate is your metric (you always pick lame ones), then the Polish Jews are probably #1. Rate is generally always the most honest way to view stats, it depicts probability. So rate is lame? Statisticians would call you that afte reading your take on rate. Forget Polish Jews, you were busy saying how the Kiwis are insignificant for dying at > twice the rate of the US, right? Also, we were talking military, not civilian - love your misdirections as you pull your boots out of the bucket of shit. Quote The vast majority died. But did they have any bearing on the conclusion of the war? Unfortunately, not a bit. Quantity matters much more. That's right, but w/o looking at the chart, they were civilian victims rather than military soldiers - try to stay on course here. We're talking allied military forces and rate of casualty. Quote Do you think Dubya stayed up at night, worried that the Kiwis weren't going to help in Iraq? He barely cared what the UN thought. NZ wasn't even an afterthought. I'm thinking he's pondering which Giranimals he's gonna match up. So we went from the sacrifice of Kiwis to that of what Bush thinks? What a downward spiral. Quote So does San Francisco, which has more Chinese people than that entire country does. NZ is whiter than America. OK, but that doesn't address culture in regard to ethnocentricity; I see you abandonded your rediculous assertion about that. Comparing one nation's racial diveristy doesn't debunk the definition of, "Ethnocentric." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #81 January 16, 2010 QuoteSo, basically, Americans are better at fighting and not getting killed than other countries? Yes, due to technology. Which is why fascist Ronnie was such a dick, he thought the USSR could beat us when it took them 3-4 times that of Germany and they had teh help of the allieds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #82 January 16, 2010 QuoteGo back to your post whoring (while on a socialist pay packet). Some of the biggest critics of US Socialism are socialist whores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #83 January 18, 2010 Quote I think PH was just a misdirection so we couldn't respond to Guam so Japan could get dug in well. In a long post full of garbage, this was the best. Pearl Harbor was misdirection? Hilarious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #84 January 18, 2010 QuoteQuote I asked you how you could laud a country that is being built by slaves... ...Seems a bit hypocritical of you that s the pot calling the kettle black i don't even live in dubai and I simply said it was a beautiful place! Quote Once again, I don't claim the moral ground that you do, so I don't have to explain away. Your intent was to comparatively belittle the US, but the slave thing is really a problem for you and your so called ideals, which apparently only count when it comes to the US. Quote"The idea that in the year 2008 in the United States of America people are being indicted for slavery is almost beyond comprehension. Yet this indictment sheds a light on the kind of conditions tomato workers in Florida are forced to live in," Sanders said. "For a major company like Burger King not to pay that additional penny and raise workers' wages and improve their conditions is unconscionable." QuoteFigures from the State Department reveal that 17,500 people are trafficked into the US every year against their will or under false pretences, mainly to be used for sex or forced labour. Experts believe that, when cases of internal trafficking are added, the total number of victims could be up to five times larger. And increasing numbers of trafficked individuals are being transported thousands of miles from America's coasts and into heartland states such as Ohio and Michigan. Quote"The problems are broader than we realised," said Ohio's attorney general, Richard Cordray. [url "http://www.powells.com/biblio?PID=28734&cgi=product&isbn=1400062098"> some reading material for ya QuoteMost Americans would be shocked to discover that slavery still exists in the United States. Yet most of us buy goods made by people who aren't paid for their labor-people who are trapped financially, and often physically. In Nobodies, award-winning journalist John Bowe exposes the outsourcing, corporate chicanery, immigration fraud, and sleights of hand that allow forced labor to continue in the United States while the rest of us notice nothing but the everyday low price at the checkout counter. Something to think about next time you go shopping. It is quite funny (peculiar) that your attemt to belittle me, turned into a relevnt topic relating to the origonal subject matter of this thread, isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #85 January 18, 2010 QuoteQuote I think PH was just a misdirection so we couldn't respond to Guam so Japan could get dug in well. In a long post full of garbage, this was the best. Pearl Harbor was misdirection? Hilarious. In a typical host of unsupported RW crap from you, it seems obvious that it likley was since Guam was taken 3 days later from an attack launched from Saipan. Remember, it works best when the takeover starts at one end and works to the other. The Japanese likely feared if they took Guam that the US would launch a counter-attack from Hawaii, which they would have. The attack on PH had its own rewards for the Japanese, but to ward off a counter-attack until they were dug into Guam was their prize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #86 January 18, 2010 QuoteThe neo con right wingers in here are strong advocates for corporatons doing as they please and anti government regulation, but can't seem to put 2 and 2 together about the unemployment problems the USA is facing. Two and two is four, but there's more to the story than just corporations chasing a bottom line. A three way tug-of-war between shareholders, labor representatives, and governmental regulation has negatively impacted our manufacturing base. That's not to say treating workers and the environment well aren't good ideas, just that the interests of the three are mutually exclusive so long as uprooting the whole operation or people buying goods from elsewhere remain alternatives. It's interesting to me that people can't put 2 and 2 and 2 together about China's manufacturing capacity, their desire to be treated as a "developing nation" in international pollution regulations (allowing them less strict standards), and their willingness to shut down access to the internet, text messaging, and international phone calls for months on end if people get out of line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #87 January 19, 2010 Quote With the Fed gearing up to stop buying troubled mortgages this spring, I want to know what people think will happen when the next set of 5 year, and 7 year ARMs adjust this year, because I'm hearing and reading bits that this year is going to be heavy for those to adjust. Add to the rising rates resulting from the government not buying any more, what will they adjust to? From 5% to 9%? 11%? My own ARM was 3/1, at 4%. After the third year, they raised it to 6%, which was still better than the 7.5% I originally had. The next year, they lowered it to 5.75%, then the next year, they lowered it to 4%, and the next year, they held it at 4%. I keep trying to refinance, but I can't get rates that beat my ARM I have no idea what they're going to do this year, but I think they're just happy that I make the payment on time every month. I predict, in 2015, no one will care about the fact that a bunch of crackpots predicted doom in 2012.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #88 January 19, 2010 QuoteOnce again, I don't claim the moral ground that you do, so I don't have to explain away. Your intent was to comparatively belittle the US, but the slave thing is really a problem for you and your so called ideals, which apparently only count when it comes to the US. My intent was to speak what I actually think, if americans feel belittled then then so be it, i could care less as americans could care less about any other country other than themselves. It seems you are O.K. with slavery happening currently in the US? That says alot about your morals! back to the subject at hand; The Fed has announced the potential for another economic downturn, and as the Canadian dollar reaches the 'par' mark with the US$ and the Aussie dollar is not far behind (like in august 2008), we just need to see a rise in oil prices and whammo! 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Lucky... 0 #85 January 18, 2010 QuoteQuote I think PH was just a misdirection so we couldn't respond to Guam so Japan could get dug in well. In a long post full of garbage, this was the best. Pearl Harbor was misdirection? Hilarious. In a typical host of unsupported RW crap from you, it seems obvious that it likley was since Guam was taken 3 days later from an attack launched from Saipan. Remember, it works best when the takeover starts at one end and works to the other. The Japanese likely feared if they took Guam that the US would launch a counter-attack from Hawaii, which they would have. The attack on PH had its own rewards for the Japanese, but to ward off a counter-attack until they were dug into Guam was their prize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #86 January 18, 2010 QuoteThe neo con right wingers in here are strong advocates for corporatons doing as they please and anti government regulation, but can't seem to put 2 and 2 together about the unemployment problems the USA is facing. Two and two is four, but there's more to the story than just corporations chasing a bottom line. A three way tug-of-war between shareholders, labor representatives, and governmental regulation has negatively impacted our manufacturing base. That's not to say treating workers and the environment well aren't good ideas, just that the interests of the three are mutually exclusive so long as uprooting the whole operation or people buying goods from elsewhere remain alternatives. It's interesting to me that people can't put 2 and 2 and 2 together about China's manufacturing capacity, their desire to be treated as a "developing nation" in international pollution regulations (allowing them less strict standards), and their willingness to shut down access to the internet, text messaging, and international phone calls for months on end if people get out of line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #87 January 19, 2010 Quote With the Fed gearing up to stop buying troubled mortgages this spring, I want to know what people think will happen when the next set of 5 year, and 7 year ARMs adjust this year, because I'm hearing and reading bits that this year is going to be heavy for those to adjust. Add to the rising rates resulting from the government not buying any more, what will they adjust to? From 5% to 9%? 11%? My own ARM was 3/1, at 4%. After the third year, they raised it to 6%, which was still better than the 7.5% I originally had. The next year, they lowered it to 5.75%, then the next year, they lowered it to 4%, and the next year, they held it at 4%. I keep trying to refinance, but I can't get rates that beat my ARM I have no idea what they're going to do this year, but I think they're just happy that I make the payment on time every month. I predict, in 2015, no one will care about the fact that a bunch of crackpots predicted doom in 2012.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #88 January 19, 2010 QuoteOnce again, I don't claim the moral ground that you do, so I don't have to explain away. Your intent was to comparatively belittle the US, but the slave thing is really a problem for you and your so called ideals, which apparently only count when it comes to the US. My intent was to speak what I actually think, if americans feel belittled then then so be it, i could care less as americans could care less about any other country other than themselves. It seems you are O.K. with slavery happening currently in the US? That says alot about your morals! back to the subject at hand; The Fed has announced the potential for another economic downturn, and as the Canadian dollar reaches the 'par' mark with the US$ and the Aussie dollar is not far behind (like in august 2008), we just need to see a rise in oil prices and whammo! Put your money in a safe place, cause this artifical 'prop up' is not going to last!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
