Thoughts on this Harsh Winter

[mnealtx 0]

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"If you have a mansion and leave the lights on all day, but they are powered by wind or solar, no problem."

Prof. you had better bone up on econ 101

Have you been taking thermodynamics lessons from mnealtx?

Arrogance lessons from you, actually.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kelpdiver 2]

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Sustainability does NOT equate to abstinence. That is the very large fallacy in your position. If you have a mansion and leave the lights on all day, but they are powered by wind or solar, no problem. If you drive a Hummer on fuel made by fermenting algae, no problem. If you fly a plane using jet fuel made from switch grass, no problem.

Waste is waste. If those lights weren't on, that power could be going back into the grid, thus saving the use of coal or natural gas.

Little power is generated totally for free, so unnecessary excess is not "no problem."

[lawrocket 3]

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Apparently you are either clueless about what sustainability is, or you are playing your lawyer tricks again thinking no-one here is smart enough to catch you.

Why, professor. It is not so black and white. I've got substantial clues about what sustainability is which is why I point to things like water supply - algae is nice because it can use salt water - salt water supplies aren't good anywhere but Utah and coastal regions, thus creating immense costs due to demand for the processing space (unless it was processed on sea vessels, which is a highly interesting thought).

Of course, grasses and other ethanol producers require large amounts of water that cannot be sustained at this time.


I also may spice it up with a lawyer trick or two. There certainly is a middle ground.

So, answer this - if I were to ask you if you were being unfairly accusatory would your answer to that question be the same as your answer to this one? ( simple yes or no).

I'm an asshole (he's an asshole) yo dee ohh, yo dee ohhh

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Apparently you are either clueless about what sustainability is

I thought we went through all of this just a few short weeks ago. Have you already given up on evolution in favor of your new Climate Change Economic Sustainability religious beliefs? If you were for evolution you would believe that life on the planet will find a way to adapt to whatever changes occur and the other life which is incapable of adapting will become extinct. Contrary to what Al Gore is still preaching, life on this planet is not about to end any time soon.

Question: when you are in the classroom, how much time is dedicated towards teaching the students the subject curriculum and how much time is spent trying to indoctrinate the next generation to buying into the new Climate Change Economic Sustainability cult?

INDOCTRINATE U ...

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I take it you either never went to university, or were one of the few that could resist the secret hypnotic liberal maker machine?

[masterrig 1]

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So who gives a shit?

Al Gore's 'carbon credit' company?

I think, the whole 'global warming' thing is a huge scam to get the world population to 'get concerned' over the environment and the tropical rain forests. Meanwhile, a certain few, like Al Gore and General electric stand to make billions of dollars off of global warming. I do believe, we SHOULD take care of our environment but let's do it realisticly and sanely. When a huge plant can 'buy' 'carbon credits' from smaller plants who barely produce carbon emissions, there's something screwy somewhere.


Chuck

[kallend 2,106]

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Apparently you are either clueless about what sustainability is, or you are playing your lawyer tricks again thinking no-one here is smart enough to catch you.

Why, professor. It is not so black and white. I've got substantial clues about what sustainability is which is why I point to things like water supply - algae is nice because it can use salt water - salt water supplies aren't good anywhere but Utah and coastal regions, thus creating immense costs due to demand for the processing space (unless it was processed on sea vessels, which is a highly interesting thought).

There's a pilot algae plant in Las Cruces, NM. Next you'll be telling me that Las Cruces is on the coast.

A little fact-finding before typing is always a good idea, as I keep telling Marc R.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,106]

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Apparently you are either clueless about what sustainability is

I thought we went through all of this just a few short weeks ago. Have you already given up on evolution in favor of your new Climate Change Economic Sustainability religious beliefs? If you were for evolution you would believe that life on the planet will find a way to adapt to whatever changes occur and the other life which is incapable of adapting will become extinct. Contrary to what Al Gore is still preaching, life on this planet is not about to end any time soon.

Question: when you are in the classroom, how much time is dedicated towards teaching the students the subject curriculum and how much time is spent trying to indoctrinate the next generation to buying into the new Climate Change Economic Sustainability cult?

INDOCTRINATE U ...

Ignorant comment.

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[kallend 2,106]

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Sustainability does NOT equate to abstinence. That is the very large fallacy in your position. If you have a mansion and leave the lights on all day, but they are powered by wind or solar, no problem. If you drive a Hummer on fuel made by fermenting algae, no problem. If you fly a plane using jet fuel made from switch grass, no problem.

Waste is waste. If those lights weren't on, that power could be going back into the grid, thus saving the use of coal or natural gas.

Little power is generated totally for free, so unnecessary excess is not "no problem."

Someone else who fails to comprehend the concept of sustainabilty.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[PLFXpert 0]

I hate it.



Some of my palm trees are hurting. We watered them all well, and covered for days.

I think my foxtail--my favorite--might die. It looks dreadful.

My thought on this harsh winter is: It sucks.

I am so proud of myself in the heat of the summers in Florida with my high-set thermostat in the extreme-heat and no-air-windows-open other days, but I am sure I have made up for it this winter. I simply do not have enough clothes to warm my bones enough to justify setting my thermostat less than 74 degrees--which my atomic clock equals 68 to 70 degrees. I cannot take it. I hate cold weather. I have been showering in the small bathroom and shutting the door with no fan to create humidity. (My gawd, that's nice during and after a shower to stand in that room and feel the warm, wet air.)

Florida is supposed to stay warm and the beach (where I live) is always supposed to be freeze-free in the winter. I am for whatever keeps this from happening ever again. And I am pretty upset about my foxtail palm.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[lawrocket 3]

I am aware of there being a few. For example, in Arizona. They like desert environments (lots of sunny days). This implicates fresh water. I don't know if you are familiar with this but fresh water is becoming an issue in terms of its availability. Las Cruces - will it have the water to support such oil production?

I tend to think about things like this. God help their ass if they discover mosquito larvae in any water they hope to use.

It looks fine now, but fresh water has to be planned out. It takes water - a lot of it - for large volumes of algae to grow. To make a cut in the petroleum industry we've got to have a lot of algae - picture Western Arizona as an algae farm - it'd likely produce a quarter of our oil-based energy needs.

Where are we going to get the water for that?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Sustainability does NOT equate to abstinence. That is the very large fallacy in your position. If you have a mansion and leave the lights on all day, but they are powered by wind or solar, no problem. If you drive a Hummer on fuel made by fermenting algae, no problem. If you fly a plane using jet fuel made from switch grass, no problem.

Waste is waste. If those lights weren't on, that power could be going back into the grid, thus saving the use of coal or natural gas.

Little power is generated totally for free, so unnecessary excess is not "no problem."

Someone else who fails to comprehend the concept of sustainabilty.

You're committing the environmental equivalent of confusing micro and macro economics. Wind and solar generators are not produced in your house. And our current energy usage needs to become more efficient. Installing a giant solar panel or buying carbon credits so you can burn 300% as much electricity as the norm is the same sort of selfishness that is the problem. No, it isn't sustainable.

[kallend 2,106]

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I am aware of there being a few. For example, in Arizona. They like desert environments (lots of sunny days). This implicates fresh water. I don't know if you are familiar with this but fresh water is becoming an issue in terms of its availability. Las Cruces - will it have the water to support such oil production?


It looks fine now, but fresh water has to be planned out. It takes water - a lot of it - for large volumes of algae to grow. To make a cut in the petroleum industry we've got to have a lot of algae - picture Western Arizona as an algae farm - it'd likely produce a quarter of our oil-based energy needs.

Where are we going to get the water for that?

Just because YOU live in a desert doesn't mean we all do. The water doesn't even have to be potable.

And, as you pointed out, algae grow in seawater too. 4/5 of the planet is covered in seawater.

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[rushmc 23]

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Apparently you are either clueless about what sustainability is, or you are playing your lawyer tricks again thinking no-one here is smart enough to catch you.

Why, professor. It is not so black and white. I've got substantial clues about what sustainability is which is why I point to things like water supply - algae is nice because it can use salt water - salt water supplies aren't good anywhere but Utah and coastal regions, thus creating immense costs due to demand for the processing space (unless it was processed on sea vessels, which is a highly interesting thought).

There's a pilot algae plant in Las Cruces, NM. Next you'll be telling me that Las Cruces is on the coast.

A little fact-finding before typing is always a good idea, as I keep telling Marc R.

I KNEW you would not answer his question!!!!




Facts survive despite you teach

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,106]

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Apparently you are either clueless about what sustainability is, or you are playing your lawyer tricks again thinking no-one here is smart enough to catch you.

Why, professor. It is not so black and white. I've got substantial clues about what sustainability is which is why I point to things like water supply - algae is nice because it can use salt water - salt water supplies aren't good anywhere but Utah and coastal regions, thus creating immense costs due to demand for the processing space (unless it was processed on sea vessels, which is a highly interesting thought).

There's a pilot algae plant in Las Cruces, NM. Next you'll be telling me that Las Cruces is on the coast.

A little fact-finding before typing is always a good idea, as I keep telling Marc R.

I KNEW you would not answer his question!!!!




Facts survive despite you teach

As usual, you type rubbish before you research the facts:

albuquerque.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2009/11/30/daily50.html

"Sapphire already operates an $8 million test-and-development facility at the West Mesa Industrial Park in Las Cruces. The center experiments with algae seed varieties developed at Sapphire’s headquarters in San Diego."

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[kallend 2,106]

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Sustainability does NOT equate to abstinence. That is the very large fallacy in your position. If you have a mansion and leave the lights on all day, but they are powered by wind or solar, no problem. If you drive a Hummer on fuel made by fermenting algae, no problem. If you fly a plane using jet fuel made from switch grass, no problem.

Waste is waste. If those lights weren't on, that power could be going back into the grid, thus saving the use of coal or natural gas.

Little power is generated totally for free, so unnecessary excess is not "no problem."

Someone else who fails to comprehend the concept of sustainabilty.

You're committing the environmental equivalent of confusing micro and macro economics. Wind and solar generators are not produced in your house. And our current energy usage needs to become more efficient. Installing a giant solar panel or buying carbon credits so you can burn 300% as much electricity as the norm is the same sort of selfishness that is the problem. No, it isn't sustainable.

So you are writing about something different than I'm writing about. I think that's called a "straw man".

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,070]

>Why? Wind power is causing significant ecological issues.

Of course. Everything does. It just causes far fewer problems than coal. We cannot zero out our impact on the planet but we can greatly minimize it.

>I should also add - what about the chemical processes and wastes from
>the production od solar cells?

See above.

>I don't know if you are aware of this, but there are significant issues
>with how we are going to irrigate these places that produce alternative
>fuels.

Algae doesn't require much water since the systems are not open to the air.

>Again, water. Water. Water.

Switchgrass is often grown without irrigation; it's a weed most often used for forage. It uses a type of photosynthesis that is extremely water efficient - thus the lower requirement for water.

>Even sex increases breathing and metabolism.

Yep. So does beer (and it releases CO2!) But again, the challenge isn't to seal yourself in a bubble; the challenge is to live in a way that the other several billion people on the planet can live as well. And that means being more careful about the resources you use and the wastes you emit.

[rushmc 23]

You still have not answered his question

Which was my point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnDeere 0]

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Ignorant comment.

Irony 10/10

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[lawrocket 3]

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Just because YOU live in a desert doesn't mean we all do. The water doesn't even have to be potable.

Just because I don't live by the Ogallala aquifer doesn't meant I am unaware of desaturation of it. Just because I live in a semi-arid climate doesn't mean that we have less water than an arid climate like Las Cruces. What moron would put an algae facility in the desert? Unless...

as far as bill - no, they are not exposed to air. However, there is loss due to evaporation upon processing and with the necessity of circulating air into the water to prevent overoxygenation. It's not an entirely closed system.

And John - I mentioned coastal as a possibility because of the much vaster supply of salt water. Putting these facilities one the ocean would, I think, be a dang good move. I'd be much less concerned with the sustainability in that respect.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,070]

>as far as bill - no, they are not exposed to air. However, there is loss due
> to evaporation upon processing and with the necessity of circulating air
>into the water to prevent overoxygenation. It's not an entirely closed
>system.

Agreed. But it uses several orders of magnitude less water than, say, corn (for a given amount of fuel produced.)

>What moron would put an algae facility in the desert?

One can imagine a moron who would look at Yuma, AZ, realize that it is both a) a desert and b) contains a canal full of brackish water and fertilizer that we're currently dumping in the ocean and locate it there. We need more of those kind of morons.