England: TV Star Warned Over Waving Knife At Intruders

[JohnRich 4]

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Please point to a message where I've said such a thing.

Should I take it as that you never said such thing, and therefore gun owners do not arrest criminals committing crimes?

You allege that I've said something, and you've been asked to prove it. Now you're playing games trying to avoid having to back-up what you said. So at this point, you've painted yourself into a corner. Failure to produce the requested proof will leave you totally discredited in this and future gun debates. You can't just make stuff up, attribute it to someone who didn't say it, and then expect everyone to accept it without question.

Personally, I don't think you can prove it. I've done a search of every message in this forum, posted by me, using the word "arrest". What you claim doesn't exist. This is easily verifiable by anyone with the gumption to use the "search" feature.

So: Put up or shut up. Your credibility is on the line. It's your move.

Are you someone who speaks the truth? Or are you just another anti-gun nut that makes stuff up, twists the truth, and plays word games?

[georgerussia 0]

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You allege that I've said something, and you've been asked to prove it. Now you're playing games trying to avoid having to back-up what you said.

Before I start searching through your 13K posts I'd like to make sure you won't back up by saying something like "one case does not count" or "I did not mean that", or just ignore it completely as you did with British crime rates. So unless you say something like "I have never said anything like that, or what can be considered like that by a reasonable person", there is no reason to even start that search.

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So at this point, you've painted yourself into a corner. Failure to produce the requested proof will leave you totally discredited in this and future gun debates.

You must be kidding. If I were like you, I would just say that you cannot prove that you didn't say it either, so we're square.

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So: Put up or shut up. Your credibility is on the line. It's your move.

Using the same criteria you have already lost your credibility when you told us about gun crime rates going up in UK, while the Home Office records showed that the crime rate is actually going down. Correct?

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Are you someone who speaks the truth? Or are you just another anti-gun nut that makes stuff up, twists the truth, and plays word games?

Nobody speaks the truth, except imaginable Jesus. Everyone speaks their opinion, and their agenda. Yes, this includes you too.

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[JohnRich 4]

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"Ask JohnRich, he mentioned criminals being arrested by gun carrying individuals. Therefore I assume it should be possible in some way, as other allegedly did that."
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Before I start searching through your 13K posts...

Don't look now, but you just admitted that you alleged I said something, without knowing if I actually said it. Someone who is debating honestly, wouldn't make stuff up, and wouldn't say things about someone that they don't know to be true. You've just discredited yourself already, and you haven't even gotten out of starting blocks yet. Go crawl back under your rock. Put up or shut up. All your little evasion games aren't going to save your reputation. It's time for the forum to see you for what you are.

[JohnDeere 0]

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You can't just make stuff up

Why not? Kallend does it, its the liberal way

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[georgerussia 0]

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Don't look now, but you just admitted that you alleged I said something, without knowing if I actually said it.

I have a link, but I will not post it until you claim you didn't say anything which can be considered like that.

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Someone who is debating honestly, wouldn't make stuff up, and wouldn't say things about someone that they don't know to be true. You've just discredited yourself already, and you haven't even gotten out of starting blocks yet. Go crawl back under your rock. Put up or shut up.

Indeed - someone who is debating honestly, wouldn't make stuff up like gun crime in UK which keeps skyrocketing, while Home Office statistics said exactly the opposite. Does that also mean that you already discredited yourself, and shall just go crawl back under your rock and shut up? Or you belong to the majority of Republicans whose motto is "do as I say, not as I do"?

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All your little evasion games aren't going to save your reputation. It's time for the forum to see you for what you are.

Well, forum already seen virtually anyone screwing up - and this included you too. Nevertheless, I don't really care what pro-gun types think about me - you already made your opinion, and nothing is going to change it. Same with me - I have made my opinion as well, and no pro-gun reply will change it (because most of your arguments are just silly).

So, as I said before, you will vote your opinion, and I will vote mine, and we will see who will prevail. That simple.

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[CornishChris 5]

Well this thread took a dive about midway through page 2.

Thanks for the bickering guys, it's both original, highly refreshing and interesting for the rest of us to read.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[JohnRich 4]

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I have a link...

You're all bluff and bluster. You've got nothing. You're trying desperately to find a way to save your credibility. There's only one way to do that - back up what you claimed. Put up, or shut up.

[georgerussia 0]

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Thanks for the bickering guys, it's both original, highly refreshing and interesting for the rest of us to read.

You're probably new to Speaker Corner or to gun threads, as most if not all recent gun threads ended up in a similar way :)

It's hard to expect anything else though, as pro-gun look pretty much as Christians - they have their mantra they believe in, which others (like non-Christians) simply cannot understand how a grown up adult may believe in that despite all the facts shown. So basically every gun or religion thread is expected to end like that. Gun threads are more aggressive though.

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[georgerussia 0]

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You're all bluff and bluster. You've got nothing. You're trying desperately to find a way to save your credibility.

Watch yourself. Applying the same rule to you (no, you're not extempted), this means your credibility has been already lost earlier. You are even in a worse situation, because your claim has been proven false using the reliable source, and my claim has not been proven false yet (and by the nature of this claim it cannot be proven false as nobody is going to examine all your posts).

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There's only one way to do that - back up what you claimed. Put up, or shut up.

I'm doing what you are doing, not what you are saying. Isn't that fair?
So either put up or shut up, or shut up about putting up or shutting up.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Indeed - someone who is debating honestly, wouldn't make stuff up like gun crime in UK which keeps skyrocketing, while Home Office statistics said exactly the opposite. Does that also mean that you already discredited yourself, and shall just go crawl back under your rock and shut up? Or you belong to the majority of Republicans whose motto is "do as I say, not as I do"?

Guess you missed the bit in the Guardian about the number of shootings almost doubling in London this year, and Scotland Yard showing a 17% increase in gun crime.

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Stephenson last week dropped a plan to put routine armed patrols on the streets, saying that although gun crime had risen it was still lower than two years ago and he was not willing to sanction such a dramatic departure from the principle of unarmed policing. However, the true scale of the increases is contained in figures being presented on Thursday to the Metropolitan police authority.

They reveal that the number of actual shootings has almost doubled from 123 to 236 in the last six months compared with the same period last year, a rise of 91.8%. Serious firearms offences have risen by 47% across the capital.

We'll have to see what the numbers are for the entire UK for 09, but London's certainly don't look good.

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So, as I said before, you will vote your opinion, and I will vote mine, and we will see who will prevail. That simple.

Translation: No, I can't refute your statement, so I'm just going to do a little soft-shoe exit, stage right.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

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Thanks for the bickering guys, it's both original, highly refreshing and interesting for the rest of us to read.

You're probably new to Speaker Corner or to gun threads, as most if not all recent gun threads ended up in a similar way :)

It's hard to expect anything else though, as pro-gun look pretty much as Christians - they have their mantra they believe in, which others (like non-Christians) simply cannot understand how a grown up adult may believe in that despite all the facts shown. So basically every gun or religion thread is expected to end like that. Gun threads are more aggressive though.

Actually, that describes the anti-gun crowd better. "ZOMG those EEEEVIL guns!"

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Andy9o8 2]

I thought this was a knife thread.

[JohnRich 4]

Blah blah blah. You're still tap-dancing.

Your best play at this point would be just to admit that you said something about me that was untrue. What you should do is admit your transgression, confess, apologize, and come clean. Ah, but your ego won't allow you to do that, will it?

So instead, you just blabber on, trying to find some way to cover your tracks and save face. But the hard truth is, which everyone here can now see, is that you made something up out of thin air, and promoted it as a "truth". And from that, along with your subsequent behavior, they also see that you have no substance, no ethics, and no credibility. You're all bluff, bluster and b...t. Your ego is writing checks on insufficient funds. Your account balance here is bankrupt.

[pbwing 0]

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I thought this was a knife thread.

pffft.

that was so 2 pages ago!!

try and keep up, would you?

[christelsabine 1]

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I thought this was a knife thread.

A knife thread created by JohnRich? Hahahaha ... Cop-out.

That again was a Brits bashing thread created by JohnRich. Seems to be anankastic for him, a new one every now and then.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[Ion01 2]

I can't believe 13 people actually said no! Does no one care about freedom anymore. When you aren't even free in your own home and people think that's the way it should be then there is a serious problem!

[rehmwa 2]

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anankastic

isn't that the famous croatian figure skater?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[christelsabine 1]

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anankastic

isn't that the famous croatian figure skater?

No, Sir ....In such case, *a* would have been a capital letter

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[georgerussia 0]

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Your best play at this point would be just to admit that you said something about me that was untrue. What you should do is admit your transgression, confess, apologize, and come clean.

I do it with those who do it themselves. So far I have seen several cases when your statements were proven untrue, and you never admitted anything - you typically just disappear from the thread completely. Even in the case I pointed directly you didn't admit anything. Do it yourself first, then ask others to do so.

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And from that, along with your subsequent behavior, they also see that you have no substance, no ethics, and no credibility. You're all bluff, bluster and b...t. Your ego is writing checks on insufficient funds. Your account balance here is bankrupt.

The situation is exactly the same for you, even if you - as usual - would not admit that. Again, I don't care what you think about me so you're wasting your time.

And, by the way, sending me a "You are a sniveling little lying coward" private message, and then blocking the replies from me was indeed very brave act of you! Speaks a lot about integrity of one's character.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Guess you missed the bit in the Guardian about the number of shootings almost doubling in London this year, and Scotland Yard showing a 17% increase in gun crime.

I would like to see official Home Office report which shows yearly trends. However if you have a link to official Scotland Yard report I'd like to see it as well (mostly I'm interested whether they included air guns there).

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We'll have to see what the numbers are for the entire UK for 09, but London's certainly don't look good.

Your quote mentioned abstract "shootings", which may or may not be the same as "gun crime", depending on definition.

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Translation: No, I can't refute your statement, so I'm just going to do a little soft-shoe exit, stage right.

Whatever you wish. All I have said.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Actually, that describes the anti-gun crowd better. "ZOMG those EEEEVIL guns!"

Since you used quotes, I wonder whether you quoted someone, or you're just making things up? :)

But yes, I indeed see more reason for gun control now. At least here in CA.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Guess you missed the bit in the Guardian about the number of shootings almost doubling in London this year, and Scotland Yard showing a 17% increase in gun crime.

I would like to see official Home Office report which shows yearly trends. However if you have a link to official Scotland Yard report I'd like to see it as well (mostly I'm interested whether they included air guns there).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/03/london-gun-crime-shootings-rise

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6438601/Gun-crime-doubles-in-a-decade.html

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We'll have to see what the numbers are for the entire UK for 09, but London's certainly don't look good.

Your quote mentioned abstract "shootings", which may or may not be the same as "gun crime", depending on definition.

I certainly don't claim to be up to your level of self-proclaimed expertise, but I'm reasonably certain that if someone is SHOT, it's considered a crime.

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Translation: No, I can't refute your statement, so I'm just going to do a little soft-shoe exit, stage right.

Whatever you wish. All I have said.

Yeah, we all know what you SAID - the problem is that you couldn't back it up.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

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Actually, that describes the anti-gun crowd better. "ZOMG those EEEEVIL guns!"

Since you used quotes, I wonder whether you quoted someone, or you're just making things up? :)

We'll just call it 'a paraphrase of George's arguments against guns'.

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But yes, I indeed see more reason for gun control now. At least here in CA.

Gee, what a shocker.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[georgerussia 0]

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We'll just call it 'a paraphrase of George's arguments against guns'.

Then I'm afraid you completely misunderstood my arguments.

What should be done is making straw purchase a felony for those places where it isn't (if any), with permanent ban to own any guns. Same for those whose guns were stolen (or "stolen") - if you cannot properly guard your guns from getting into wrong hands, then you should not be allowed to own any.

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Gee, what a shocker.

Well, I also put my money where my mouth is - a $200 contribution went to Brady, in honor of JohnRich
(Too bad it is not federal tax deductible, I'd give more)

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[mnealtx 0]

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We'll just call it 'a paraphrase of George's arguments against guns'.

Then I'm afraid you completely misunderstood my arguments.

What should be done is making straw purchase a felony for those places where it isn't (if any)

Already a crime - if you'd done any research you would KNOW that.

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with permanent ban to own any guns.

A felony conviction is ALREADY a bar to purchase - again, minimal research would have shown you that.

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Same for those whose guns were stolen (or "stolen") - if you cannot properly guard your guns from getting into wrong hands, then you should not be allowed to own any.

Really? So, since bank vaults get robbed, should any bank that gets robbed be forced out of business? While I understand what you're saying (even though I don't agree with the bald statement), it's a ludicrous 'requirement'.

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Gee, what a shocker.

Well, I also put my money where my mouth is - a $200 contribution went to Brady, in honor of JohnRich
(Too bad it is not federal tax deductible, I'd give more)

I'm sure the criminals appreciate your efforts to disarm the law-abiding.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706