rushmc 23 #1 January 15, 2010 http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/75965-white-house-blames-inefficient-government-on-outdated-technologies Quote White House budget director blames old computers for ineffective government By Ian Swanson - 01/14/10 02:56 PM ET A big reason why the government is inefficient and ineffective is because Washington has outdated technology, with federal workers having better computers at home than in the office. This startling admission came Thursday from Peter Orszag, who manages the federal bureaucracy for President Barack Obama. The public is getting a bad return on its tax dollars because government workers are operating with outdated technologies, Orszag said in a statement that kicked off a summit between Obama and dozens of corporate CEOs. “Twenty years ago, people who came to work in the federal government had better technology at work than at home,” said Orszag, director of the Office of Management and Budget. “Now that’s no longer the case. “The American people deserve better service from their government, and better return for their tax dollars.” The White House release that included Orszag’s comments said one “specific source” of ineffective and inefficient government is the huge technology gap between the public and private sectors that results in billions of dollars in waste, slow and inadequate customer service and a lack of transparency about how dollars are spent. Obama is meeting with CEOs to solicit their views on how to improve the federal government with new information technology. “Improving the technology our government uses isn’t about having the fanciest bells and whistles on our websites — it’s about how we use the American people’s hard-earned tax dollars to make government work better for them,” Obama said in a statement. Obama had proposed the meeting in April. CEOs from Craigslist, Facebook, Microsoft, Adobe Technology and Monster.com are among those taking part. “It’s time to bring government into the 21st century,” Orszag said. “Information technology has the power to transform how government works and revolutionize the ease, convenience and effectiveness by which it serves the American people." Those attending the summit are to break into smaller groups to discuss streamlining government operations, improving customer service and maximizing return on IT investments. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 January 15, 2010 Another multi(b)million dollar boondoggle on the way "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #3 January 15, 2010 Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. So it is Bush's fault My bad "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #5 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. So it is Bush's fault My bad Tell us something new.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. So it is Bush's fault My bad Tell us something new. Yet again Of course The sun comes up in the morning We have to get up....its Bushs fault You get a parking ticket...bush's fault Flat tire on the wifes car....that SOB Bush You miss you connection. Bush yet again The weatherman misses the forecast and ruins your weekend...will give this one to Cheany "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallloutboyDAoC 0 #7 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. So it is Bush's fault My bad Tell us something new. Yet again Of course The sun comes up in the morning We have to get up....its Bushs fault You get a parking ticket...bush's fault Flat tire on the wifes car....that SOB Bush You miss you connection. Bush yet again The weatherman misses the forecast and ruins your weekend...will give this one to Cheany what the fuck are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. So it is Bush's fault My bad Tell us something new. Yet again Of course The sun comes up in the morning We have to get up....its Bushs fault You get a parking ticket...bush's fault Flat tire on the wifes car....that SOB Bush You miss you connection. Bush yet again The weatherman misses the forecast and ruins your weekend...will give this one to Cheany what the fuck are you talking about? You are serious?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #9 January 15, 2010 Yea this is such a long thread and very hard to follow Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 January 15, 2010 Quote Yea this is such a long thread and very hard to follow I gotta admit It has been a fun eveningHell, even a tongue in cheek post can go virile nowOh well"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 January 15, 2010 Quote Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. Actually, the government can call them WMD's now. It took unitl early 2008 before the government could requisition replacement W's on the computer keyboards. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #12 January 15, 2010 I'd put money on 'G Dubbya' not even being able to use a computer. A bit like the senile old codger McCain."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #13 January 15, 2010 Quote “Twenty years ago, people who came to work in the federal government had better technology at work than at home,” said Orszag, director of the Office of Management and Budget. “Now that’s no longer the case. I have a much better computer at home than I do at work, and I'm in IT. I suspect that's the case for many people. Why? Because each is used differently. I don't watch movies, play games, or do any real hardware-intensive stuff at work, nor does anyone else in the building. Companies buy cheap computers because they don't need to buy expensive ones - it doesn't take much to run MS Office, access the internet, and run most other business apps. I'm not seeing that as a reasonable argument to replace equipment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The conclusion in your thread title does not follow from the article you posted. In fact the chief exec IS to blame if the organization has inadequate technology. Why didn't Bush do something about it instead of leaving the mess to Obama to clear up? Too busy looking for mythical WMDs, maybe. So it is Bush's fault My bad Tell us something new. Yet again Of course The sun comes up in the morning We have to get up....its Bushs fault You get a parking ticket...bush's fault Flat tire on the wifes car....that SOB Bush You miss you connection. Bush yet again The weatherman misses the forecast and ruins your weekend...will give this one to Cheany 1) Your response is non-responsive; it fails to address Kallend's points. 2) Yes it is the predecessor's fault for handing off a POS. 3) Fortunately it is such an insignificant failure that it is overshaddowed by, IDK, the total failure of the economy, 2 illegitimate wars, etc. 4) You really are hard up for things to find that are not the Bush admin's fault that you can only find things that are hsi fault - hillarious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 January 15, 2010 QuoteI'd put money on 'G Dubbya' not even being able to use a computer. A bit like the senile old codger McCain. Sure he can, he logs onto the internetS all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 January 15, 2010 Of course it is funny Everything Obama is fucking up is Bush's fault "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #17 January 15, 2010 Quote Of course it is funny Everything Obama is fucking up is Bush's fault How is Obama fucking up an IT system he inherited (that IS the topic of your OP)? How is Obama fucking up an economy that went into recession in Dec 2007 and got steadily worse for the remaining 13 months of Bush's watch while Bush (and you) were in denial? Sometimes it seems you are living in an alternate reality.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #18 January 15, 2010 Hmmm ... you know, there just may be a valid point in the depths there. I wonder just how much money congress alone could save the taxpayers by telecommuting?? Airfares (or private plane rentals!), high dollar lodging and office space in D.C., a lot of meal expenses since they'd be home much more (well, at least the ones not paid for by lobbyists) ... etc. The technology exists to be sure it really IS them voting! Speaking of lobbyists, that might be a good way to limit their effectiveness. Just don't concentrate the politicians in one place ... LOL!!!As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #19 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Yea this is such a long thread and very hard to follow I gotta admit It has been a fun eveningHell, even a tongue in cheek post can go virile nowOh well but if bush bought new computers the left would have smearewd him because he spent more money on frills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 January 15, 2010 Quote Another multi(b)million dollar boondoggle on the way hey, at least I'll benefit from this pork! The report says the problem dates back 20 years, so it seems like you can blame Bush, Clinton, and Bush for it. You can't blame Obama for it, but you could criticize the solution he offers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #21 January 15, 2010 Quote Quote Another multi(b)million dollar boondoggle on the way hey, at least I'll benefit from this pork! The report says the problem dates back 20 years, so it seems like you can blame Bush, Clinton, and Bush for it. You can't blame Obama for it, but you could criticize the solution he offers. 20 years? What are they typing up their pork requests with? Commodore 64's or Apple IIe's?"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 January 15, 2010 Quote 20 years? What are they typing up their pork requests with? Commodore 64's or Apple IIe's? the 486 was shipping in late 1989. The C64 had already been supplanted by the Amiga a few years earlier, and the Mac was well established. Remember the claim was that at this time, they were using much better HW than home users. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #23 January 16, 2010 QuoteHow is Obama fucking up an economy that went into recession in Dec 2007 and got steadily worse for the remaining 13 months of Bush's watch while Bush (and you) were in denial? As well as joke McSame; you who think we're in a recession are just whining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 January 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteHow is Obama fucking up an economy that went into recession in Dec 2007 and got steadily worse for the remaining 13 months of Bush's watch while Bush (and you) were in denial? As well as joke McSame; you who think we're in a recession are just whining. The NBER is whining? Last Four Recessions and their Durations 12/07 - ? 3/01 - 11/01 8 months 7/90 - 3/91 8 7/81 - 10/82 16Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #25 January 16, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow is Obama fucking up an economy that went into recession in Dec 2007 and got steadily worse for the remaining 13 months of Bush's watch while Bush (and you) were in denial? As well as joke McSame; you who think we're in a recession are just whining. The NBER is whining? Last Four Recessions and their Durations 12/07 - ? 3/01 - 11/01 8 months 7/90 - 3/91 8 7/81 - 10/82 16 You don't recall McSame saying something to effect that people were whining ifthey say we're in a recession and times are hard? My, you do know your politics/politicians; glad to see the McCain electorate has done their homework. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites